Culture Canadian Professor Argues that Diversity Harms Social Trust - Op-ed was deleted from newspaper's website and replaced with apology

Does Diversity Harm Social Trust and Economic Wellbeing?


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AGreatDipAtAFairPrice

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Robert Putnam in America did studies on this years ago and found that ethnoreligious diversity harmed every aspect of civic life and described it as lowering "social capital." This has been known for a long time, the book explaining this was published in 2000 and is called Bowling Alone. He knew it in the 1980s and 1990s and sat on it for YEARS because he feared that publishing the findings would destroy his career.
Anything that claims that diversity and multiculturalism are anything but beautiful, unalloyed "greatest strengths" gets more and more backlash.
The first thing I remember about a Muslim guy that went on a rampage on the Fort Hood military base in 2009 and shot dozens of people, 13 of them fatally, was the framing of, "we cannot let things like this lower our confidence in ethnoreligious diversity, even in vital institutions like the military, it is our greatest strength." An Army Chief of Staff said this about the ethnoreligious rampage...

Chief of Staff Gen. George W. Casey, Jr. said "I'm concerned that this increased speculation could cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers ... Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse."
They've only gone more and more berserk since 2009 on anybody who questions if any of this is good or sensible. Should America have let in millions of ethnoreligious oddballs and ticking time bomb terrorists during the midst of two multi-trillion dollar wars? Does this really make any sense? Why'd we let these powder kegs in, anyhow? Woah! That'd be a real tragedy to think that. It'd be like 9/11 times 1000.
As awful as all the erosion of social capital, and pathology, and crime, and violence and terrorism is, wouldn't it be really bad if people started questioning if any of this is good? That would be a real tragedy, much more serious than the 13 dead people.
 

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He argues that immigration policies that have as a goal integration are often more beneficial than blind trust in "tolerance" of everything that people preach as a sacred dogma.

And often several communities of immigrants actually become heavily secluded spaces that intensifies the conflicts one with the other, instead of uniting below a single national/cultural identity.

I mean, sure?

If adults are so outraged at such anobvious idea then I wonder what kind of idiots are in charge of studying our society, since the mere glance towards reality scares them so much.
 
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It's interesting there's so many studies out there supposedly proving how beneficial diversity and multiculturalism are for businesses, society, etc. yet the minute anyone tried and present evidence to the contrary they're shouted down and thrown into the same pile as the KKK and neo-Nazis. I don't see why this topic is so evil to people, it's not even something inherently racist like the race and IQ debate. It's fantastic evidence that there's people out there conducting social engineering for their own gain, and that's likely the rich multinational sorts and their allies who win big on immigration as they get cheap and easy labor.
 

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Robert Putnam in America did studies on this years ago and found that ethnoreligious diversity harmed every aspect of civic life and described it as lowering "social capital." This has been known for a long time, the book explaining this was published in 2000 and is called Bowling Alone. He knew it in the 1980s and 1990s and sat on it for YEARS because he feared that publishing the findings would destroy his career.
Anything that claims that diversity and multiculturalism are anything but beautiful, unalloyed "greatest strengths" gets more and more backlash.
The first thing I remember about a Muslim guy that went on a rampage on the Fort Hood military base in 2009 and shot dozens of people, 13 of them fatally, was the framing of, "we cannot let things like this lower our confidence in ethnoreligious diversity, even in vital institutions like the military, it is our greatest strength." An Army Chief of Staff said this about the ethnoreligious rampage...



They've only gone more and more berserk since 2009 on anybody who questions if any of this is good or sensible. Should America have let in millions of ethnoreligious oddballs and ticking time bomb terrorists during the midst of two multi-trillion dollar wars? Does this really make any sense? Why'd we let these powder kegs in, anyhow? Woah! That'd be a real tragedy to think that. It'd be like 9/11 times 1000.
As awful as all the erosion of social capital, and pathology, and crime, and violence and terrorism is, wouldn't it be really bad if people started questioning if any of this is good? That would be a real tragedy, much more serious than the 13 dead people.
I think a large percentage of the upper tier of the left is run by people who are privately vindictive screwups, who just want to wreck more functional people's shit, but they will absolutely never admit it. Just about every "left" political cow featured on this site does it to some degree. I don't see any reason to believe that wealthier, more sheltered, more coddled people wouldn't be the same way.
 

TitanWest

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Who benefits from diversity? Oligarchs and Neoliberal Democrats of course. But oligarchs pushing mass migration have been thwarted before (See Chinese Exclusion Act). The reason why "diversity" is seemingly unstoppable nowadays is because a certain tribe benefits from diversity and this tribe also hates The West. This tribe is called "The Culture of Critique" for a reason.

 

RodgerDodger

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He argues that immigration policies that have as a goal integration are often more beneficial than blind trust in "tolerance" of everything that people preach as a sacred dogma.

And often several communities of immigrants actually become heavily secluded spaces that intensifies the conflicts one with the other, instead of uniting below a single national/cultural identity.

I mean, sure?

If adults are so outraged at such anobvious idea then I wonder what kind of idiots are in charge of studying our society, since the mere glance towards reality scares them so much.
And that's a valid point. Theodore Roosevelt addressed it years ago when he argued that English MUST be the undisputed and defacto only US Language. He argued against the concept of Italian Americans Irish Americans etc. And that our goal was to simply be Americans.
 

Jan_Hus

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Who benefits from diversity? Oligarchs and Neoliberal Democrats of course. But oligarchs pushing mass migration have been thwarted before (See Chinese Exclusion Act). The reason why "diversity" is seemingly unstoppable nowadays is because a certain tribe benefits from diversity and this tribe also hates The West. This tribe is called "The Culture of Critique" for a reason.

How many times have you posted this video, methinks you are some sort of shill.
 
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I thought this was a common knowledge. India for instance is a bastion of multiculturalism and look at the state of shit affairs there. Meanwhile homogeneous society like Japan, China, and Korea resembles some kind of order and "progress" we can't seem to find in multicultural societies.
>Land of 10,000 depraved fetishes, crashing birthrates, and panty vending machines
>Shithole ant colony with a gorillion ethnic groups that you just see as "gook" where the State will all but kill you and serve you to Inner Party members if you put a toe out of line
>Crazed beehive with 20-hour work days and death cults everywhere
One of these isn't even right, and the other two make very bad cases for total homogeneity.
 

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Who the fuck is talking about hypothetical Americans European state you moron.
Well, since you are opposed to the idea of multiculturalism and for ethnic and cultural homogeneity, I assumed you would want these good things to happen where you live. Or are you Asian? That would explain why you got so mad when I suggested that East Asia may be less than perfect.
 

Manah

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Statistically speaking, diversity harms social trust among populations already prone to distrusting diverse populations.

Silly Canadian, can't even get that right.
 
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Lol!

It’s not even a particularly controversial point among sociologists that diversity harms social cohesion and trust.

That hasn’t been a controversial argument since Putnam’s groundbreaking book: Bowling Alone.



But this is Canada obviously. “Diversity bad?! SHUT IT DOWN!!!”
 

RodgerDodger

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I thought this was a common knowledge. India for instance is a bastion of multiculturalism and look at the state of shit affairs there. Meanwhile homogeneous society like Japan, China, and Korea resembles some kind of order and "progress" we can't seem to find in multicultural societies.
Ehhh? You are actually equating 3 things that are not really the same in Japan China and Korea. Korea is very much the homogeneous population that you describe. Japan is close to it. China is a beast that Westerners never ever really understand. Chinese culture and language dates back thousands of years, but here's the kicker that westerners never realize. Chinese was up until very recently almost exclusively a WRITTEN language. Villages and regions across China have vastly different spoken languages and dialects. They just shared the same written language for law and business. China is NOT a very homogeneous culture. And has honestly spent much of it's history in varying states of civil war, if not carved up into separate nation states each claiming to be China. China is more an overall bureaucracy that for most of its history has endeavored to keep all of its various little groups isolated in their own villages, not really interacting with each other, but all filling out the same paperwork. Where they do get a high degree of internal movement they tend to get friction, such as the underlying issues related to Hong Kong.

Japan and particularly Korea are almost perfect lab experiments for what happens when a population does become extremely homogeneous. They start to magnify the very subtle and small differences between internal groups or regions. Each little village or island has it's own cuisine. It's own cultural history. They clearly aren't the same as those other people a half mile down the road who look just like them and talk just like them.
 

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Ehhh? You are actually equating 3 things that are not really the same in Japan China and Korea. Korea is very much the homogeneous population that you describe. Japan is close to it. China is a beast that Westerners never ever really understand. Chinese culture and language dates back thousands of years, but here's the kicker that westerners never realize. Chinese was up until very recently almost exclusively a WRITTEN language. Villages and regions across China have vastly different spoken languages and dialects. They just shared the same written language for law and business. China is NOT a very homogeneous culture. And has honestly spent much of it's history in varying states of civil war, if not carved up into separate nation states each claiming to be China. China is more an overall bureaucracy that for most of its history has endeavored to keep all of its various little groups isolated in their own villages, not really interacting with each other, but all filling out the same paperwork. Where they do get a high degree of internal movement they tend to get friction, such as the underlying issues related to Hong Kong.

Japan and particularly Korea are almost perfect lab experiments for what happens when a population does become extremely homogeneous. They start to magnify the very subtle and small differences between internal groups or regions. Each little village or island has it's own cuisine. It's own cultural history. They clearly aren't the same as those other people a half mile down the road who look just like them and talk just like them.
This is pretty much the norm for homogeneous or isolated populations; look at Italy for an example of this.
The idea that a nation will become a harmonious high-trust utopia when everyone looks the same is pretty nonsensical.
 
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TitanWest

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How many times have you posted this video, methinks you are some sort of shill.
Shills get paid. I work for free.

And I only posted it in 2 relevant topics of the 4 I clicked on. Why not share a relevant and informative vid?

This is pretty much the norm for homogeneous or isolated populations; look at Italy for an example of this.
The idea that a nation will become a harmonious high-trust utopia when everyone looks the same is pretty nonsensical.
Who said anything about utopia? And a "nation" (Not to be confused with a state or country) is as you described.

It is possible to have a heterogeneous society (racially anyway) without sacrificing democracy by having a strong assimilation system instead of the limp wristed "respect all cultures" shit. If someone immigrates and doesn't assimilate, then their ass is about to be emigrating.
It will have to become an authoritarian state like Singapore in order to survive. Empires (States incorporating multiple nations) need some combination of force and bribery to survive. But force and bribery can't be maintained forever so empires eventually collapse and form into multiple nations. The US will have that happen in the next few decades.
 
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