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We know what Classical Liberal means, dude. Everyone defined it again and again for like 3 years straight. The discussion was between me saying he is that precise definition of Liberal, and people saying he was Right-Wing or some sort of Cryptofascist.Hey all, long-time lurker first-time poster.
Going back a few pages here, but this comment jumped out at me and I thought it needed addressing: remember that Sargon is British. "Liberal" as a synonym for "left-wing" is a peculiarly American trait, and other countries don't use the same terminology that you do. "Classical Liberal" in particular means 18th-century Enlightenment-era ideas of being economically free-market, business-friendly and generally laissez-faire, beliefs which most people call right-wing or libertarian in the USA (here's the wiki on it for quick reference). In the UK in particular lefties absolutely HATE being called 'liberal' because it associates them with the Liberal Democrats, who used to be the main 3rd Party in British politics and trace back their lineage to the Whigs. The older generation of Cold War-era Bennite socialists in Britain hate the Lib Dems because their earlier incarnation, the Social Democratic Party (which broke off from Labour and later unified with the Liberals to form the Liberal Democrats), forms part of their stab-in-the-back myth: leftie legend blames the SDP for splitting the left-wing vote to Margaret Thatcher's benefit in the 1980s. In the 2000s their presence was inflated by a lot of votes from hip young socialists and college students who wanted to vote left-wing but didn't want to support New Labour's soft pink social democracy (the Lib Dems were also early adopters of idpol wokery, in fairness, although back then it was mainly LGB rainbows than the absolute Salem-on-Twitter witchhunting mental asylum it is now), but trendy lefties never read the small print that the party was never as economically radical as they thought it was. The Lib Dems have never been forgiven by grudge-bearing socialists for going into coalition with the Conservatives in 2010.