Censorship of press in warzones - Yay or Nay? -

[wtfNeedSignUp]

One of the most enlightening things I went through is hear a lecture about the effects of the press on USA wars. In particular the Vietnam war, where the press commonly acted against the USA army for either economic or ideological goals, with the most famous examples being the picture below, with how it misrepresents reality, yet you'll need to dig to hear the true story behind it:

Of course the counter point is that the press will also find cases of the army doing unlawful shit, but this will usually happen more by the side that won't execute journos for photographing the "wrong" thing.
So the point I'm getting at, should there be a censorship of media coming from warzones?

 

[Sage In All Fields]

No.

 

[TFT-A9]

Embedded press has its purposes. That being said, shit like what Geraldo pulled when he was in Iraq should get a journo thrown the fuck out.

 

[Jimmy Durante's Ballsack]

Minor complaint: it is "yea" or "nay", not "yay".

 

[thick internet digit web]

the press should always be uncensored by governments, but they'll only lie and put their own spin on it anyway.

 

[Lmove]

Weirdly enough, I'll have to say yay.

Too keep it sweet and simple. To win a war you need to do more than just nuke the other guy. In a war with county 'A' and 'B', if country 'A' has open-press while country 'B' does not. County 'B' would simply put subverters in county 'A's media and create turmoil from inside, while 'A' cannot use the same tactics. Depending on the beginning of such tactics, maybe country 'A' would broken before a war could even start.

I'd like to think of myself as a free speech absolutist, but to believe in an ideal, you have to betray it.

Minor complaint: it is "yea" or "nay", not "yay".

That doesn't rhyme, yea or nay sounds fucking stupid.

 

[Jimmy Durante's Ballsack]

That doesn't rhyme, yea or nay sounds fucking stupid.

B-but it does rhyme.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Absolutely not unless it is in a direct contradiction to keeping state secrets, well, secret. For instance, it is illegal to photograph the screw of a submarine. Punishment is up to life, during wartime execution.

The people in the US during Vietnam deserved to hear news about the hundreds of thousands of young men forced to go fight. It isn't journos' fault that Washington botched it, hard. I can speak at length about Vietnam specifically if you'd like, for instance how LBJ okay'd secret operations to observe and report on the HCMT but only if they used obsolete weapons, as not to be too scary.

 

[Psychic Espeon]

Nay without question.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The people in the US during Vietnam deserved to hear news about the hundreds of thousands of young men forced to go fight. It isn't journos' fault that Washington botched it, hard. I can speak at length about Vietnam specifically if you'd like, for instance how LBJ okay'd secret operations to observe and report on the HCMT but only if they used obsolete weapons, as not to be too scary.

I'd want to hear more. But before that, I'd argue Vietnam was a case where "losing" didn't have a lot of impact comparatively. But once you have an actual war for survival, having the press demoralize the populace is extremely dangerous. Not to mention that wars will always have massive fuckups in them, but those fuckups can wait for the war to be over before being publicized.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Censorship, going through military AND civilian censors to watch for classified information or distortion.

We can point as far back as Vietnam, but that was before the press decided they were part of the government and oh so important.

They've tried to fabricate war crimes (the most notorious is when the insurgent prisoner came up with a pistol and a Marine kicked him in the face, the press edited out the pistol and clipped it to make it look like the jar head ran over and kicked him for no reason and broadcast it on TV) as well as give away positions, give away operations, alter interviews.

The press has been a defacto enemy of the US people since Vietnam, and an outright enemy of the military since the same time.

In a war zone, they need stepped on, the information needs to go through censorship.

Fuck the press, they can choke on a cock.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Censorship, going through military AND civilian censors to watch for classified information or distortion.

We can point as far back as Vietnam, but that was before the press decided they were part of the government and oh so important.

They've tried to fabricate war crimes (the most notorious is when the insurgent prisoner came up with a pistol and a Marine kicked him in the face, the press edited out the pistol and clipped it to make it look like the jar head ran over and kicked him for no reason and broadcast it on TV) as well as give away positions, give away operations, alter interviews.

The press has been a defacto enemy of the US people since Vietnam, and an outright enemy of the military since the same time.

In a war zone, they need stepped on, the information needs to go through censorship.

Fuck the press, they can choke on a cock.

1991, 2001, and 2003 would like a word. Lmao.

 

[Eris!]

Journalists should be shot on sight.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

The ban on combat footage is what allowed the MIC to continue to lobby for more wars and more death.

The most honest the MSM managed to be was during the Vietnam War where they had journalists embedded. Even during Desert Steal it was questionable at best.

The embargo on it can only mean they are hiding something and we all know what they are hiding.

 

[ScamL Likely]

They shouldn't be banned outright but the lie that any journalists have ethics or integrity needs to be done away with, because they're all scumsuckers and bottom-feeders. Journalism should be allowed to exist, but it should be seen the same way lawyering is in terms of them all being shitty people who you don't want to deal with directly if you can help it.

 

[muh_moobs]

Unless we're getting unedited live-streamed combat footage from rifle-mounted cameras, the press can fuck off.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Unless we're getting unedited live-streamed combat footage from rifle-mounted cameras, the press can fuck off.

Have you been watching the Armenians fistfuck the Azeris? Artsakh paramilitaries literally wear GoPros and post unedited footage of them dabbing on Azeri troops.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

I think that censorship of press in peace zones is of more value. At their places of work, in their homes, in the streets - censor them wherever you can. Censor them at sea, on land, rectally, vaginally, orafacially. Censor them, censor them always, censor them daily.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Journalists should be shot on sight.

I thought you were pro-life and thought abortion was murder and thus wrong?

 

[Billy "the Bot" Bobson]

That doesn't rhyme, yea or nay sounds fucking stupid.

"Yea" is traditionally pronounced "Yay", it's only recently that it's pronounced like "Yeah". "Yay" and "Yea" mean two different, yet similar, things despite stemming from the same root. "Yay" is almost exclusively a cheer, a positive cheer like yelling out "Yes!". "Yea" is used much like "Aye" or "Yes", where it can be used as a cheer, but is often just meant to affirm something.