Chapo Trap House subreddit quarantined for allegedly encouraging violence - Chapos in suicide watch

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No it means sell out or pretender. If Bush jr was a true conservative he would have not pursued war on flimsy pretenses or pursued anti privacy policy via warrantless wiretapping.
Ron Paul can be seen as a true conservative.

Same with tulsi vs Clinton. Tulsi is seen as a true liberal where Hillary is seen as a sell out (corporate puppet who puts on the veener of liberalism)
I think the point he was trying to make with it being a euphemism is that the people who use it are saying globalists kind of are sell outs or pretenders. They use "neo-conservative" the same way I believe, although that isnt as popular. Bush Jr may not have necessarily been a globalist but as per your own argument he was kind of a pretender.

I think the thing is that whomever uses it is probably considered "alt-"whatever respective to their political viewpoints, although the term "alt-" encompasses so much random shit, and often disparate groups. I am reminded of people coming together during OWS and all of this shit kicking off, that fractured all these groups. Frankly "Birthers" would be considered "alt-conservative" as much as "Truthers" would be considered "alt-liberals" for similar reasons. It can get very muddy. Neither of them really contribute meaningfully to discussion in their own groups but they would identify with them and while they may follow that horseshoe theory of having more in common with each other (their main gripe being that they dont trust the government--rightfully, they still fall into the two-party bickering), they end up being a voice that fogs up the conversation and makes "alt-"anything kind of a disparaging political term.

Hell I think ChapoTrapHouse identifies as flat out globalist which, fine, it's still not the sort of pretense that "neo-lib" has, which puts them kind of into "alt-left" and attracts guys who may be antifa, which is why youre seeing them get banned for inciting violence even though I dont think CTH would identify necessarily with Antifa.
 
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Neoliberal is the alt-left euphemism for globalist.
They came up with it themselves in the '30s. It's only attracted a negative reputation subsequently.

Hell I think ChapoTrapHouse identifies as flat out globalist which, fine, it's still not the sort of pretense that "neo-lib" has, which puts them kind of into "alt-left" and attracts guys who may be antifa, which is why youre seeing them get banned for inciting violence even though I dont think CTH would identify necessarily with Antifa.
Except they want to smash the state to establish a one world communist government, not a world run by multinational corporations. If they actually got the state smashing part of what they want to do, though, it would lead to just that. They'd be horrified (and probably dead) and ancaps would be thrilled.
 

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They came up with it themselves in the '30s. It's only attracted a negative reputation subsequently.



Except they want to smash the state to establish a one world communist government, not a world run by multinational corporations. If they actually got the state smashing part of what they want to do, though, it would lead to just that. They'd be horrified (and probably dead) and ancaps would be thrilled.
that not going to happen. More likely they will be the cats paw helping capitalists gain their own North Korean style fiefdom
 
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No it means sell out or pretender. If Bush jr was a true conservative he would have not pursued war on flimsy pretenses or pursued anti privacy policy via warrantless wiretapping.
Ron Paul can be seen as a true conservative.

Same with tulsi vs Clinton. Tulsi is seen as a true liberal where Hillary is seen as a sell out (corporate puppet who puts on the veener of liberalism)

Bush Jr's administration was peak neocon.
 
I think I neocon or neo liberal means insincere or pandering.
kinda like a mega church preacher who talks about living the life of Jesus then gets a new airplane.

folks are frustrated cause they want the government to work for them nd mean what they preach. They dont. Neither side does.
I think people use the terms that way, but I do not think those are valid definitions. But that's sorta what I was saying, people use it to throw up roadblocks in conversation usually. "Trump's a neoconservative!" "OK, and?"

Any label that gets applied to hillary clinton, donald trump, obama, and george bush is obviously missing some subtlety.
 
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They're used broadly, but the median I've seen for each term is something like:

(1) Neoliberalism is basically centre-leftism which endorses in a loose sense capitalism and globalism (in practice it's quite fine with significant state intervention, although far short of socialism - after all, it's good for allowing companies to rent-seek!) while also adopting fashionable socially left causes such as obsessing over race and gender.
(2) Neoconservativism entails domestic and international policies which are distinct and severable. Domestically it's pretty ho-hum middle of the road Republican stuff - some God and Guns social policies and maybe some tax cuts, but nothing too radical. Internationally, it is characterised by hawkishness. It also endorses the view that we can use force to bring democracy and all things Western to foreign nations, by force, if necessary. This last impulse, I should add, is rather intensely anti-conservative - most of the big conservative thinkers (John Selden and Edmund Burke, for example) take it that there are some universal human features, but that how they are worked into society is contingent on the circumstances of a particular group of people, and that social arrangements and values can't be forced on a society from outside with any real prospect of success. The crusading zeal is more in line with how, I dunno, Wilsonian progressives thought (Wilson viewed WW1 as a big chance to push his big perfect planned international order on the world).
 

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And another in my short list of things that are actually good about Donald Trump is that while he is not a neoliberal, he is also not a neoconservative, both of which are utterly shit, cancerous things to be.
He also sundered the power of the Bush family, ideally forever. We may laugh at Jeb! but it can't be forgotten where he comes from.
 

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Got proof?
Irving Kristol, the so-called "godfather of neoconservatism" (and father of noted imbecile Bill Kristol) started out as an ardent Trotskyite. And a few others. Although you could and /pol/ often does point out that even more of them are Jews, including most of the examples cited as ex-Trotskyites.
 

Affluent Reptilian

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Bill used to have a pretty good interview series he put up on YouTube, but after the Trump election every conversation would have 20 minutes in which both his guest and he would nod in furious agreement over how bad Trump is. Really unfortunate.

One of the Kristols (I think Bill) once said that a neocon is a liberal who was mugged by reality.
I remember reading an article that the neocons were liberals horrified by the New Left in the '60s who suddenly found common cause with conservatives on a lot of things. If that's its source it certainly would explain why they endorse some very non-conservative causes.
 

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They’re actually enjoying the enforcement from the Admins and are trying to brush it off as if they faked being exceptional, teenage edgelords.

Good riddance, get rid of the Donald and all the leftist subs imo.
Its so pathetic that they're trying to act like they aren't assfurious about it, just a bunch of faggot nerds screaming "im not owned! IM NOT OWNED!"
 

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The only real difference between the Neolib and the Neocon is the former wants to raise your taxes by .01% while the latter wants to lower your taxes by .01%
 
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The only real difference between the Neolib and the Neocon is the former wants to raise your taxes by .01% while the latter wants to lower your taxes by .01%
Neolibs are all about shipping your job to China and believing that fifty year old coal miners should move to Brooklyn and lern2code. Neocons are aging baby boomer Jews who can only achieve sexual climax by America bombing Arabs on behalf of Israel. Sometimes the two overlap due to the former being mostly a matter of economics and the latter being about foreign policy.
 
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