CHAZ/CHOP: Autonomous No Cop Zone and Commune Declared In Seattle - Render unto Warlord Raz what is owed to Warlord Raz

[ColtWalker1847]

He did at least get dragged into court even if he eventually got off with no charges. With Raz it's like they're trying to pretend it all never even happened.

Everyone else in the state has to look over their shoulder if they lend a friend their deer rifle during elk season but Raz gets to hand out ARs to his little militia that executes people driving through the neighborhood.

It's ridiculous.

 

[GatorWrasslin]

Hey frens, while you complain about Raz handing out rifles, it seems like you all forgot about our floral allies, the CHAZ garden, wilting in pain and crying out for death?

Seattle's Only Newspaper The Stranger hasn't forgotten about the garden - and akshually, they claim its thriving and have a puff piece about the "gardener" responsible. What an inspiration, soon there will be mangled CHAZ gardens all over our city! (nevermind the greenspaces and plentiful parks and the Arboretum and the pea patches and the Kobota Japanese gardens etc. etc. etc.) Journalist par excellance Matt Baume throws some shade at "Right-wing internet idiots"...wait, does he mean US?!

Right-wing internet idiots with an axe to grind were quick to dismiss the garden, passing around misinformation as it grew and laughing the whole project off as a misguided mess. Back when the garden first formed, there was no shortage of smug predictions that it would quickly die out. Well, here we are six months later and not only is it thriving but it’s spawned satellite gardens around the city. Ha.

Baume has put me so firmly in my place that I went back and looked at some of the CHAZ garden history. This was a good lol, same day:

"This is a Community Garden. All Are Welcome" lol jk "This Garden is for Black And Indigenous Folk and Their Plant Allies"

Wouldn't be worth talking about CHAZ garden without remembering this sweet, murdering,strangling prince, rest in piss: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1271631421363240961/pu/vid/480x270/s9NFlga5V_FhKHoi.mp4?tag=10

Okay enough fucking around, here's a more in depth article about the actual good work Marcus Henderson is doing, reclaiming unused urban space for gardening around the city. If we start seeing tons of gardens around because of CHAZ, then maybe those wilting basil plants didn't suffer in vain.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Hey frens, while you complain about Raz handing out rifles, it seems like you all forgot about our floral allies, the CHAZ garden, wilting in pain and crying out for death?

Seattle's Only Newspaper The Stranger hasn't forgotten about the garden - and akshually, they claim its thriving and have a puff piece about the "gardener" responsible. What an inspiration, soon there will be mangled CHAZ gardens all over our city! (nevermind the greenspaces and plentiful parks and the Arboretum and the pea patches and the Kobota Japanese gardens etc. etc. etc.) Journalist par excellance Matt Baume throws some shade at "Right-wing internet idiots"...wait, does he mean US?!

Right-wing internet idiots with an axe to grind were quick to dismiss the garden, passing around misinformation as it grew and laughing the whole project off as a misguided mess. Back when the garden first formed, there was no shortage of smug predictions that it would quickly die out. Well, here we are six months later and not only is it thriving but it’s spawned satellite gardens around the city. Ha.

Baume has put me so firmly in my place that I went back and looked at some of the CHAZ garden history. This was a good lol, same day:

"This is a Community Garden. All Are Welcome" lol jk "This Garden is for Black And Indigenous Folk and Their Plant Allies"

Wouldn't be worth talking about CHAZ garden without remembering this sweet, murdering,strangling prince, rest in piss: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1271631421363240961/pu/vid/480x270/s9NFlga5V_FhKHoi.mp4?tag=10

Okay enough fucking around, here's a more in depth article about the actual good work Marcus Henderson is doing, reclaiming unused urban space for gardening around the city. If we start seeing tons of gardens around because of CHAZ, then maybe those wilting basil plants didn't suffer in vain.

Marcus is a well-meaning idiot. The area is not lacking for community gardens. These new gardens will fail once the fad fades and people find other things to do.

Also, it isn't farming. It's what urbanites and crunchy moms on facebook think is farming.

 

[FatalTater]

5 gallon bucket + potting soil + tomato* plant
8 hours or more a day of sunlight
water frequently

There. A recipe for what will probably produce more food than anything CHAZ related.

*instructions also work for pepper, eggplant, squash, beans, lots of plants actually. Still not farming though.

 

[AnOminous]

Right-wing internet idiots with an axe to grind were quick to dismiss the garden, passing around misinformation as it grew and laughing the whole project off as a misguided mess. Back when the garden first formed, there was no shortage of smug predictions that it would quickly die out. Well, here we are six months later and not only is it thriving but it’s spawned satellite gardens around the city. Ha.

How is it an own to point out they're doing shit differently now than they were doing it when people correctly pointed out they were completely fucking it up? Had they continued doing whatever the fuck they were trying to do at the outset, nothing would have lived. Clearly they changed if shit is still alive.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Hey frens, while you complain about Raz handing out rifles, it seems like you all forgot about our floral allies, the CHAZ garden, wilting in pain and crying out for death?

Seattle's Only Newspaper The Stranger hasn't forgotten about the garden - and akshually, they claim its thriving and have a puff piece about the "gardener" responsible. What an inspiration, soon there will be mangled CHAZ gardens all over our city! (nevermind the greenspaces and plentiful parks and the Arboretum and the pea patches and the Kobota Japanese gardens etc. etc. etc.) Journalist par excellance Matt Baume throws some shade at "Right-wing internet idiots"...wait, does he mean US?!

Right-wing internet idiots with an axe to grind were quick to dismiss the garden, passing around misinformation as it grew and laughing the whole project off as a misguided mess. Back when the garden first formed, there was no shortage of smug predictions that it would quickly die out. Well, here we are six months later and not only is it thriving but it’s spawned satellite gardens around the city. Ha.

Baume has put me so firmly in my place that I went back and looked at some of the CHAZ garden history. This was a good lol, same day:

"This is a Community Garden. All Are Welcome" lol jk "This Garden is for Black And Indigenous Folk and Their Plant Allies"

Wouldn't be worth talking about CHAZ garden without remembering this sweet, murdering,strangling prince, rest in piss: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1271631421363240961/pu/vid/480x270/s9NFlga5V_FhKHoi.mp4?tag=10

Okay enough fucking around, here's a more in depth article about the actual good work Marcus Henderson is doing, reclaiming unused urban space for gardening around the city. If we start seeing tons of gardens around because of CHAZ, then maybe those wilting basil plants didn't suffer in vain.

The crazy homeless guy that destroyed the CHAZ garden while practicing meth fueled karate was the same guy that killed his girlfriend in Cal Anderson with the nail gun.

 

[queue-anon]

Not even from a lack of care, just from a lack of training and experience. If what I've heard is correct, most police officers don't get a hell of a lot of proper training in the first place, especially in regards to firearms safety. Now you've got a situation where all of the knowledgeable staff are fucking off, leaving you with a bunch of undertrained and untested greenhorns with lots of power and little incentive to hold back, because they're getting thrown to the goddamned wolves.

A bunch of raw new hires without the ability or inclination to hold back in a "me or them" situation? The poor bastards are going to over-react so hard it'll leave craters, and I'm not sure you can entirely blame 'em.

It's the greenhorns who are leaving because they're not close to retirement. The great irony is that the greenhorns got the allegedly better race sensitivity and deescalation training that older officers never really got. They're also more diverse than the old guard. I've seen a lot of social media posts of former SPD getting jobs in surrounding towns, and I'd say half weren't white. (Although some of this might be due to the racist abuse they get on the job, being called "Uncle Toms" by white libs.)

The anti-police chucklefucks are pushing out POCs and the well trained.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

It's the greenhorns who are leaving because they're not close to retirement. The great irony is that the greenhorns got the allegedly better race sensitivity and deescalation training that older officers never really got. They're also more diverse than the old guard. I've seen a lot of social media posts of former SPD getting jobs in surrounding towns, and I'd say half weren't white. (Although some of this might be due to the racist abuse they get on the job, being called "Uncle Toms" by white libs.)

The anti-police chucklefucks are pushing out POCs and the well trained.

It is honestly baffling to me at this point that they even have police officers at all. Even the city government's hand-picked BIPOC to lead the dept noped the fuck out because of what they were doing to the folks in the field. So credit to Chief Carmen Best (ret). Enjoy your retirement with your head held high. She did the right thing.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

It's the greenhorns who are leaving because they're not close to retirement. The great irony is that the greenhorns got the allegedly better race sensitivity and deescalation training that older officers never really got. They're also more diverse than the old guard. I've seen a lot of social media posts of former SPD getting jobs in surrounding towns, and I'd say half weren't white. (Although some of this might be due to the racist abuse they get on the job, being called "Uncle Toms" by white libs.)

The anti-police chucklefucks are pushing out POCs and the well trained.

It is honestly baffling to me at this point that they even have police officers at all. Even the city government's hand-picked BIPOC to lead the dept noped the fuck out because of what they were doing to the folks in the field. So credit to Chief Carmen Best (ret). Enjoy your retirement with your head held high. She did the right thing.

People are going to continue to join for the paid academy and then leave the first chance they get for a smaller department that wouldn't have had much if any hiring opportunities for recruits with no experience. This is the story in many blue cities but Seattle is going to be ground zero for just how bad it can get, they're going to have massive retention issues where their only officers are younger people with a high turnover rate and older burnouts and rent-seekers that can't or won't leave and are just counting the days until retirement.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

People are going to continue to join for the paid academy and then leave the first chance they get for a smaller department that wouldn't have had much if any hiring opportunities for recruits with no experience. This is the story in many blue cities but Seattle is going to be ground zero for just how bad it can get, they're going to have massive retention issues where their only officers are younger people with a high turnover rate and older burnouts and rent-seekers that can't or won't leave and are just counting the days until retirement.

I'm not sure that the rest of the state is interested in picking up Seattle's disillusioned diversity hires. The more experienced quality people, yes. But these young guys options are going to be pretty limited once they leave SPD.

Unless it's a real small town they will pay to put a qualified candidate through academy. They want quality, not young cast-offs from the most dysfunctional department in the state.

 

[Pentex]

Some fresh big-brain thinking from Seattle: No more prosecutions for misdemeanors. All power to the lumpenproletariat!

https://www.city-journal.org/seattle-policymakers-untouchables-misdemeanor-crime

https://archive.md/zsaDn

The New Untouchables​

Seattle policymakers want to provide the city’s underclass with blanket immunity for misdemeanor crime.

In October, the Seattle City Council floated legislation to provide an exemption from prosecution for misdemeanor crimes for any citizen who suffers from poverty, homelessness, addiction, or mental illness. Under the proposed ordinance, courts would have to dismiss all so-called “crimes of poverty”—which, according to the city’s former public-safety advisor, would cover more than 90 percent of all misdemeanor cases citywide. In effect, the legislation would create a new class of “untouchables,” protected from consequences by the city’s powerbrokers.

This is the latest and most brazen effort in the city’s campaign to establish what might be called a “reverse hierarchy of oppression.” The underlying theory is that society has condemned the lower class to a life of poverty and stigma, which leads to addiction, madness, and indigence. The poor, in the logic of Seattle’s progressive elites, are thus forced to commit crimes—including violent crimes—to secure their very existence. Therefore, as society is the perpetrator of this inequality, the crimes of the poor must be forgiven. The crimes are transformed into an expression of social justice.

On a practical level, if this ordinance becomes law, it will effectively legalize an entire spectrum of misdemeanor crimes, including theft, assault, harassment, drug possession, property destruction, and indecent exposure. Criminals must simply establish that they have an addiction, mental-health disorder, or low income in order to evade justice. The impact of this measure would be enormous. In 2019, the Seattle Police Department reported 25,993 thefts, 8,442 assaults, 6,430 property offenses, 4,194 frauds, 3,910 trespasses, and 1,640 narcotics violations—representing 72 percent of all reported crimes. If the ordinance passes, nearly all these crimes would be permitted under law.

The courts, for their part, would be eviscerated. The “crimes of poverty” legislation would nearly eliminate the caseload for nine out of ten of the most frequently filed criminal charges in the Seattle Municipal Court. The objective here is twofold. First, councilmembers believe that mass decriminalization is a good in itself. Second, it almost certainly represents a strategy to “starve the beast” and create a rationale for dramatically downsizing the court system. Seattle’s activist coalition has long argued that the courts are a bastion of racism and oppression. Political leaders have sought to replace traditional courts with social justice and rehabilitation programs, especially for “crimes of poverty.”

The consequence of this measure is predictable. By dramatically reducing penalties for theft, assault, drug crime, and property crime, the city would effectively announce, “crime pays here.” With at least 90 percent of the jail population able to claim dispensation for indigence, addiction, and mental illness, the city’s criminal class could operate with impunity. Seattle’s downtown, already besieged by tent encampments and an addiction-fueled crime boom, would become a free-for-all.

Lisa Herbold, the city councilwoman who proposed the legislation, must have known that it would be controversial. Though she chairs the council’s Public Safety Committee, she attempted to launder the ordinance through the budgetary process, under the justification that it would reduce the cost of court proceedings and jail usage. During a five-minute presentation buried in an hours-long budget hearing, Herbold framed her argument in social justice terms, claiming that “poverty, institutionalized racism, and systemic oppression are root causes that lead to mass incarceration” and that “punishment and incarceration are harmful and ineffective tools to address behaviors triggered by poverty and illness.” Neither questions from other councilmembers nor public comment was permitted.

Fortunately, a local watchdog organization flagged the proposal and raised an alarm in the media. After negative coverage on television and on the op-ed page of the Seattle Times, Herbold relented, agreeing to drop the proposal from the budget process and resubmit it through the Public Safety Committee later this year. Though the legislation has been wounded, it is not dead. Seattle’s political class has been working toward mass decriminalization for years and will almost certainly continue to press for it. Seattle residents should remain vigilant, lest their public officials create a criminal class impervious to law or punishment.

YouGetWhatYouFuckingDeserve.gif

 

[GatorWrasslin]

I'm sure everyone in this thread knows that Null is considering nuking A&N and Happenings from the site. If Happenings has to go I hope we get a chance to put in a humble plea for this CHAZ/CHOP thread to be preserved. It's been a bit politicol, but not spergy, and it's been completely lolcow worthy, like a congregation of PacNW lolcows sharing the the same pasture, and there are still local repercussions happening, like the stupid cardboard garden is now going citywide and the city council breaking all its defund the police promises while trying to decriminlize misdemeanors. A&N and Happenings may be filled with political sperging shit especially on the election threads, but there are gems in this forum, and I hope all you frens agree tossing this thread out, along with all the craziness in Portland in the George Floyd Protest thread, would be sad. I couldn't believe the way my city was spinning itself in circles all summer, and this thread helped keep me sane, I'm sure other Seattle Kiwis feel the same.

 

[LateNightMuffin]

Bundy also openly supports BLM and the defund the police movement, so he's less of a hypocrite than his detractors.

Nah, I hate Bundy and I hate BLM and I hate the defund the police movement. Not a hypocrite.

 

[ForTheHoard]

I'm sure everyone in this thread knows that Null is considering nuking A&N and Happenings from the site. If Happenings has to go I hope we get a chance to put in a humble plea for this CHAZ/CHOP thread to be preserved. It's been a bit politicol, but not spergy, and it's been completely lolcow worthy, like a congregation of PacNW lolcows sharing the the same pasture, and there are still local repercussions happening, like the stupid cardboard garden is now going citywide and the city council breaking all its defund the police promises while trying to decriminlize misdemeanors. A&N and Happenings may be filled with political sperging shit especially on the election threads, but there are gems in this forum, and I hope all you frens agree tossing this thread out, along with all the craziness in Portland in the George Floyd Protest thread, would be sad. I couldn't believe the way my city was spinning itself in circles all summer, and this thread helped keep me sane, I'm sure other Seattle Kiwis feel the same.

We might be able to catch a spot in Community Watch. Might need to rebrand the thread to centralize it on Seattle city council or something. Maybe Pacific Northwest Anarcho-Communists.

 

[NoReturn]

We might be able to catch a spot in Community Watch. Might need to rebrand the thread to centralize it on Seattle city council or something. Maybe Pacific Northwest Anarcho-Communists.

PACgen
Seattle Spergory
PNW Nitwits General
Cascadia Containment Thread
Tree Tards
Western Hippystate Anarchists

 

[Iron Hamster]

Bundy also openly supports BLM and the defund the police movement, so he's less of a hypocrite than his detractors.

Bundy only cares that they're anti-government. Beyond that he has no use for them.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

Some fresh big-brain thinking from Seattle: No more prosecutions for misdemeanors. All power to the lumpenproletariat!

https://www.city-journal.org/seattle-policymakers-untouchables-misdemeanor-crime

https://archive.md/zsaDn

YouGetWhatYouFuckingDeserve.gif

The real beauty about this is on paper it works.
"Crime is down since our reforms!!!"
"I just saw a drugged out homeless lunatic beat a child senseless and rob them outside your office."
"Yes but that doesn't count as a crime anymore since the person committing it was the real victim!!!"

You just know they're waiting for #MeToo to die off so sexual assault can be added alongside generic assault as something that's not a crime if committed by the right demographics.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

It's still unreal to me that Seattle/King County actually floated turning the Sheriff from an elected to an appointed position as a 'reform' that somehow makes them more accountable to the people. Or worse, that enough people actually voted for it and passed it.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Looks like Durkan won't be running for another term. So who's up next? Lorena Gonzalez? Maybe Cary Moon or Nikkita Oliver will give it another go? Sawant probably won't bother, she wouldn't win another city-wide election at this point and could very well get recalled. One thing is pretty much for certain, it isn't going to be someone who will actually do what needs to be done to fix the city, if it can be fixed.

 

[Hippopatumus]

https://twitter.com/ShelbyTalcott/status/1336408700995690505