That looks like something a handful of middle school kids would build on a Saturday afternoon if they were bored and unsupervised. Are grown ass adults really doing this shit? wtf.
CHAZ/CHOP: Autonomous No Cop Zone and Commune Declared In Seattle - Render unto Warlord Raz what is owed to Warlord Raz
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That looks like something a handful of middle school kids would build on a Saturday afternoon if they were bored and unsupervised. Are grown ass adults really doing this shit? wtf.
Give me $10 million and I'll move to Seattle and run for Mayor. I'll go all sleeper-cell about it too. Tell them everything they want to here and then BAM! Manchurian Candidate.
GatorWrasslin
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The SPD abandoning the East Precinct is what lead to CHAZ, after the cops pulled out of the protester's seige, the protesters took over the bocks surronding the East Precint and Cal Anderson park. Then their whole thing was supposed to be no cops, autonomous zone, look at how peaceful we are (never mind the rapes and murders of teenagers). But now Black Lives Matter - King County is demanding Durkin (who they're against and are trying to recall and whose home they marched to, don't forget, which led her to reacting by ordering CHOP dismantled as the cops retook the East PRecint) to investigate and provide answers about...the police abandoning the precinct.
I don't understand. Do you understand? Please explain it to me. Because I thought BLM was against Durkin and against the cops, so why would they expect Durkin to investigate the cops when the cops left, which is what everyone thought BLM and the protesters wanted in the first place? I dont understand.
I don't understand. Do you understand? Please explain it to me. Because I thought BLM was against Durkin and against the cops, so why would they expect Durkin to investigate the cops when the cops left, which is what everyone thought BLM and the protesters wanted in the first place? I dont understand.
Iceland Heavy
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Well we have seen rifts forming between local BLM and Antifa chapters. Maybe the local Seattle BLM is starting to try and throw Antifa under the bus and blame all the violence on them, and by proxy SPD for letting them have free reign? Maybe they finally remembered the black lives in CHAZ matter too?
GatorWrasslin
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Well I think there were even rifts between BLM groups before CHAZ/CHOP happened. THere's both BLM Seattle-King County and BLM Seattle Original, and both of them early on said they had nothing to do with the protests and the African American Community Council claimed protesters hijacked the BLM message back in June. I think BLMSKC also got mad at Herbold or Mosqueda or someone on the Seattle City Ccouncil for saying they were in touch with BLM and they wrote some long letter - I posted about it earlier in this thread, but there's just so much back and forth and demands for apologies and capitulations that who can even keep track anymore.
BLM is not entirely innocent in all this but much of the looting wasn't directly BLM, it was the usual opportunistic thugs who show up at any time of unrest and they're just interested in their free TV. Most of the absolutely pointlessly nihilistic terrorist level shit was Antifa.
GatorWrasslin
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Seattle didn't have any looting. People smashed up windows in Westlake shopping center and then all around Capitol Hill and the stupid Starbucks kept getting their shit busted up - I think there's footage of protesters smashing shit up and helpless baristas sighing helplessly - but there wasn't the looting and fires and wanton destruction we saw in Minneapolis. Instead of looting opportunists we had zealots here - they tried to bar the doors to the precinct and set fire, face-offs and skirmishes with cops, we had CHAZ patrols with rifles, and then the murder of a 16 year old who they mistook for white supremicists. They divided Cal Anderson park into safe spaces for BIPOCs with posted guards, they blocked traffic and got themselves run over on I5, things like that. Businesses got ruined slowly due to plummeting business and possible extortion, but nobody's bar burned to the ground and nobody lost all their TV inventory. Possibly because there aren't any electronics stores or Targets in the Capitol Hill neighborhood to loot anyway, but I think it was just different here. The people involved in this are believers, and instead of being infiltrated by looters (Minneapolis) or anarchists (Portland), we just got the homeless drug addicts showing up, like they always do. They always fucking do, any spectacle and sure enough, homeless drug addicts. I never noticed, Seattle Kiwis, was scarf man out there during the summer since Folklife and street fairs were canceled? Gropers gotta grope.
Nearby Bellevue, however, got looted. And unlike Portland where it's all catch-and-release or Seattle where they're trying to decriminlize misdemeanors, Bellevue cops are sending charges to prosecutors.
Nonsense. Here's just one story about multiple stores being looted. There was plenty of looting.
Numerous businesses looted and vandalized on Seattle's Capitol Hill Wednesday night
A large group broke windows, looted businesses and set fires in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood Wednesday night, police said.
www.king5.com
And here's a Nordstrom's being looted with people visibly removing merchandise:
Note, the looters aren't keeping things themselves, they're just handing it out to the crowd, in at least this video. I suppose that at least partly supports your claim this is more about zealotry than stealing. But look at who's doing it. In the second video it's two white guys in ski masks.
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Spasticus Autisticus
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That store was specifically targeted because it's owned by the wife of an SPD officer.Nonsense. Here's just one story about multiple stores being looted. There was plenty of looting.
Numerous businesses looted and vandalized on Seattle's Capitol Hill Wednesday night
A large group broke windows, looted businesses and set fires in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood Wednesday night, police said.
GatorWrasslin
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I stand humbly corrected @AnOminous. Maybe because the scale wasn't as big as it was in Minneapolis, and the focus quickly turned to SPD and then the East Precinct and finally CHAZ, I didn't recall it had even happened. That looks like it was contained to Westlake Center, which is kind of an open air shopping center downtown where the monorail starts and there's the Nordstrom HQ and flagship store, and a Gap and Old NAvy storefronts and stuff, kind of a New York feel to it. The courtyards in Westlake Center are often used for speeches and rendezvous for marches - it's even where BLM made their very first appearence and cucked Bernie Sanders way back in 2015. Just goes to show how weird shit got that smashing storefronts and doing some looting in black ski masks was forgettable.Nonsense. Here's just one story about multiple stores being looted. There was plenty of looting.
Numerous businesses looted and vandalized on Seattle's Capitol Hill Wednesday night
A large group broke windows, looted businesses and set fires in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood Wednesday night, police said.
And here's a Nordstrom's being looted with people visibly removing merchandise:
Note, the looters aren't keeping things themselves, they're just handing it out to the crowd, in at least this video. I suppose that at least partly supports your claim this is more about zealotry than stealing. But look at who's doing it. In the second video it's two white guys in ski masks.
The guy who responded to me pointed out this was apparently revenge because the owner is the wife of a cop. Still looting though.
There was definitely looting in Bellevue
As for Seattle? Yeah definitely but there weren't hundreds of people doing it in massive mobs. The guys saying it was a bunch of zealots are right on the money. It was being done by specific groups to damage capitalism and the economy.
It sounds retarded and it is retarded but it's what happened.
As for Seattle? Yeah definitely but there weren't hundreds of people doing it in massive mobs. The guys saying it was a bunch of zealots are right on the money. It was being done by specific groups to damage capitalism and the economy.
It sounds retarded and it is retarded but it's what happened.
REI, a Nike store, and a jewelry store got looted among a number of other businesses in the area. I had a number of friends down there and a lot of stuff got filmed, shown to friends, then deleted. Half of the "protest" was wearing a new $500 North Face coat.
GatorWrasslin
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Are you saying Charles Mudede, Chase Burns and all the other assholes at The Stranger lied to me? Now I don't know what to believe.
It'sallabitsillyreally
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Because they can have their cake and eat it too and the appropriate media outlets will side with them no matter what.
Police hold their ground and disperse the protestors - fascists
Protestors are allowed their way and destroy property and a BLM gives a shit - where were the police?
Protestors are allowed their way and destroy property and a BLM does not gives a shit - property is not more important than violence and violence happens to black people unless we are allowed to destroy property
Anyone gets killed/injured during the course of these events - white supremacists (either the victims themselves or the reason why bystanders got attacked by protestors)/where were the police (protestors affected)/not really with the protestors but it was still a white supremacist's fault it happened (those protestors confirmed to have initiated any conflict beyond a shred of doubt)
I believe that covers roughly 95% of American media on these stories at the moment.
Any argument BLM can make where they are victims and the other side (trump supporters, cops, whatever) are in the wrong will be a valid argument.
Cops are doing too much and BLM is a victim? Valid
Cops aren't doing enough and BLM is a victim? Valid
All rioting is because of Antifa? Valid
Rioting is the only way BLM can demonstrate? Valid
No one is going to hold them accountable, even fox news prefers the antifa are the real bad guys angle (not that anyone who doesn't watch fox news cares what fox news says, and will probably believe the opposite simply because it was said by fox news)
Cops are doing too much and BLM is a victim? Valid
Cops aren't doing enough and BLM is a victim? Valid
All rioting is because of Antifa? Valid
Rioting is the only way BLM can demonstrate? Valid
No one is going to hold them accountable, even fox news prefers the antifa are the real bad guys angle (not that anyone who doesn't watch fox news cares what fox news says, and will probably believe the opposite simply because it was said by fox news)
I wouldn't say purely antifa is "the real bad guys" and BLM is completely innocent. I just think Antifa is responsible for the bulk of purely nihilistic violence with no purpose but violence itself, and that they actually have just seized on BLM to exploit any remaining goodwill BLM has to shield their own absolutely repulsive agenda. It's not really a case of good guys versus bad guys but instead bad guys versus worse guys.
Is this the place where we talk about the recent autonomous zone in Portland?
By their boneheaded definition, colonization is "taking land that isn't yours as your own." With that logic, would they be considered "colonizers" because they just decided to occupy land that isn't theirs? They're probably decreasing the value of that neighborhood.
I guess they took a lesson from several urban governors and made territory.
By their boneheaded definition, colonization is "taking land that isn't yours as your own." With that logic, would they be considered "colonizers" because they just decided to occupy land that isn't theirs? They're probably decreasing the value of that neighborhood.
I guess they took a lesson from several urban governors and made territory.
Obviously not, from their perspective the US government is the coloniser and they are the liberators, by occupying the territory they prevent the US government from exercising its authority hence the people are liberated from their colonisers.
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