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Michael Kovrig, left, Michael Spavor

Michael Kovrig (left) and Michael Spavor (right) are seen in this composite image.

The Associated Press
Published Thursday, May 16, 2019 5:37AM EDT
Last Updated Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:20AM EDT
BEIJING -- China has formally arrested two Canadian citizens it is believed to be holding to pressure Canada into releasing a Chinese telecoms executive, bringing the two men closer to trial on vaguely defined state security charges.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang said Thursday that Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor have been arrested for allegedly stealing state secrets.
"We always act in accordance with the law, and we hope that Canada will not make irresponsible remarks on China's legal construction and judicial handling," Lu said at a regularly scheduled news conference.

Lu gave no other details. Kovrig is a former Canadian diplomat and expert at the International Crisis Group, and Spavor is a businessman with lengthy experience in North Korea.
China had earlier accused the two of conspiring together to steal Chinese state secrets.
Both were detained on Dec. 10 after Meng Wanzhou, a senior executive with telecoms giant Huawei, was arrested in Vancouver, Canada, on Dec. 1 at the request of U.S. authorities who want her extradited to face fraud charges.
Meng, the daughter of Huawei's founder, is accused of lying to banks about the company's dealings with Iran in violation of U.S. trade sanctions. Her attorney has argued that comments by U.S. President Donald Trump suggest the case against her is politically motivated.
The Canadian Embassy in Beijing referred questions to diplomats in Ottawa, who did not immediately issue any comments Thursday.
Canadian diplomats have labeled the men's confinement as "arbitrary" and called for their immediate release.
Meng is free on bail and a judge this month granted her request to move into a larger Vancouver multimillion-dollar home that recently underwent renovation. The judge also ruled that she will hear arguments on evidence disclosure in late September and October. A decision on whether Meng is extradited to the U.S. could take years.
Kovrig and Spavor are being held in detention facilities and have yet to be granted access to lawyers.
The U.S. has pressured other countries to limit their use of Huawei's technology, warning they could be opening themselves up to surveillance and theft of information.
China and the U.S. are currently embroiled in a trade dispute that has beleaguered global financial markets. Many of the U.S. complaints revolve around China's drive to acquire advanced intellectual property and dominate fields such as latest-generation 5G cellphone technology that Huawei has pursued.
Another Canadian held in China, Robert Schellenberg, was re-sentenced to death in a drug case following Meng's detention. His case is currently under appeal.

China formally arrests two Canadians on state secrets charges

Michael Martina

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese authorities have formally arrested on state secrets charges two Canadians detained last year, the government said on Thursday, drawing condemnation from Canada in a case that is likely to further increase tension between Ottawa and Beijing.

FILE PHOTO: People hold placards calling for China to release Canadian detainees Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig outside a court hearing for Huawei Technologies Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou at the B.C. Supreme Court in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, March 6, 2019. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson
Businessman Michael Spavor, who worked with North Korea, and former diplomat Michael Kovrig were picked up separately in December, shortly after Canada arrested Huawei Technologies Co Ltd Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou, who faces extradition to the United States.
China has repeatedly demanded Meng be released, and has reacted angrily to extradition proceedings against her in a Canadian court.
“According to Chinese prosecutors’ approval, Michael Kovrig, due to being suspected of crimes of gathering state secrets and intelligence for foreign (forces), and Michael Spavor, for being suspected of crimes of stealing and illegally providing state secrets for foreign (forces), have in recent days been approved for arrest according to law,” foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang told a daily news briefing.
The measures were in accordance with the law, Lu said, and Beijing hoped Canada “will not make irresponsible remarks” about law enforcement and judicial proceedings in China.
Canada’s government denounced the move.
“Canada strongly condemns their arbitrary arrest as we condemned their arbitrary detention on Dec. 10. We reiterate our demand that China immediately release Mr. Kovrig and Mr. Spavor,” Canada’s foreign ministry said.
Canadian diplomats have made recent consular visits to them both, it added, declining to provide further details for privacy reasons.

“Canada continues to express its appreciation to those who have spoken in support of these detained Canadians and the rule of law. This includes Australia, the EU, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, the United States, the Netherlands, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Spain, Denmark, NATO, and the G7.”
In March, China accused the two of involvement in stealing state secrets.
China has said it is fully guaranteeing both men’s lawful rights. Kovrig also holds Hungarian citizenship.
Kovrig works for the International Crisis Group (ICG) non-governmental organization which focuses on conflict resolution.
With their formal arrest, they could soon face trial, though it is unclear when that may be.
While Canada says China has made no specific link between the detentions of the two men and Meng’s arrest, experts and former diplomats say they have no doubt it is using their cases to pressure Canada.
Meng, 47, is the daughter of Huawei Technologies Co Ltd’s billionaire founder, Ren Zhengfei.
She was arrested at Vancouver’s airport in December on a U.S. warrant and is fighting extradition on charges that she conspired to defraud global banks about Huawei’s relationship with a company operating in Iran.

Meng was released from jail in December on C$10 million ($7.5 million) bail and must wear an electronic ankle bracelet and pay for security guards. She has been living in a Vancouver home that was valued at C$5 million in 2018.
Both she and the company have denied the U.S. charges.


Lol, Canada has been getting cucked a lot lately. I guess this is what happens when you pretty much tell the world "no matter how you fuck with us, we won't do jack shit about it."

inb4 Jew source. It was the first thing that came up when I tried to search for it.
extremely Jewish source.

Not that Canada has the balls to do it, but they ought to agree to a prisoner exchange, and dope up the Huawei exec with something like Novacane to impede their speech, and affix a bomb collar belt under their clothes. Then detonate the insect person after their have their precious leafs back.

They won't though. Two meaningless canuck tortures and deaths just to punish one chinky robot that is incapable of moral decisions or altering its behavior once back in riceland. And it won't deter any of the other slants from the motherland either from doing the same fucking thing; spying on Canadians to buy up all their land.


True & Honest Fan
I guess I just need to paste this into every Canada thread now:

The Canadians better not bitch out of their extradition treaty.
Canada should have never arrested on behalf of the US government anyways. This not criminal in nature, it's a proxy military action that Canada is not prepared to take. Trudeau is an absolute idiot for not pushing back before the arrest, and now that the arrest has happened it's even harder to deal with.

YW 525

Canada should have never arrested on behalf of the US government anyways. This not criminal in nature, it's a proxy military action that Canada is not prepared to take. Trudeau is an absolute idiot for not pushing back before the arrest, and now that the arrest has happened it's even harder to deal with.
Agree, even though I am glad he was spineless and fell in line.

Canada needs a better leader.
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Canada should have never arrested on behalf of the US government anyways. This not criminal in nature, it's a proxy military action that Canada is not prepared to take. Trudeau is an absolute idiot for not pushing back before the arrest, and now that the arrest has happened it's even harder to deal with.
Canada should do whatever the fuck we tell them to if they want to have the luxury of saying "Even if we're attacked we won't bomb them." Without us protecting their ass that mindset would see them fucking dead.


True & Honest Fan
Canada should do whatever the fuck we tell them to if they want to have the luxury of saying "Even if we're attacked we won't bomb them." Without us protecting their ass that mindset would see them fucking dead.
There's very little the US can do. Their military defense of Canada is obligatory, not tentative or conditional, it's also entirely hypothetical. To do otherwise would risk destabilizing all of NATO and then America gets shut out of playing world police.

Canada has a lot more to lose by fighting with China, which is a relatively important trade partner for Canada. The formerly-friendly relationship between Canada-China is tentative and not obligatory, unlike the relationship with the US.
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An update, looks like Trudeau and all of Canada may have a change of heart over this:

A poster for the #StandUpToChina campaign by Suits and Boots. (Courtesy Suits and Boots)

A poster for the #StandUpToChina campaign by Suits and Boots. (Courtesy Suits and Boots)
Campaign Urges Canadians to ‘Stand Up to China’
Trudeau takes tougher tone toward China
May 22, 2019 Updated: May 22, 2019

With China blocking Canadian imports of canola and other products as Beijing escalates its offensive against Canada, Canadians need to “stand up to China,” says Rick Peterson, founder and director of the pro-resource group Suits and Boots.
The group, which in the past has held pro-pipeline campaigns, has launched a new campaign, #StandUpToChina, in support of the canola and other industries that have been dealt a blow since China suspended imports of their products in the aftermath of Canada’s arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou.
“It’s time to recognize that being polite and watching what’s going on quietly isn’t going to solve things,” says Peterson.
He says the group was founded by investment professionals like himself, who support “working families of the resource sector,” and doesn’t have any government or corporate funding. He describes it as a non-partisan grassroots movement with several thousand supporters across the country but mainly in the Prairies, based on the number of people who have supported its online and email campaigns.
Since Meng’s arrest in Vancouver last December on a U.S. extradition request, Canada has been on the receiving end of a slew of aggressive moves by Beijing against Canadian individuals and businesses.

Shortly after the arrest, the regime detained Canadians Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig—finally formally arresting them last week and charging them with stealing state secrets—and sentenced two Canadians to death on drug-related charges. In addition, Canada’s exports of canola to China, worth over $2 billion annually, have been blocked, and exporters of other products including pork, peas, and soybeans are facing increasing obstacles getting their products into China.
Peterson says Canada’s response so far has been soft, but he noted that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hardened his tone this week.
Speaking in Sept-Iles, Quebec, on May 21, Trudeau said “China is playing stronger, making stronger moves than it has before to try and get its own way on the world stage, and Western countries and democracies around the world are pulling together to point out that this is not something that we need to continue to allow.”
Kovrig and Spavor
Canadians Michael Spavor (L) and Michael Kovrig are currently in captivity in China. (AP Photo)
So far as part of their #StandUpToChina campaign, Suits and Boots is asking supporters to contact the Chinese ambassador and consuls in Canada and tell them that Beijing’s behaviour isn’t acceptable. The next phase in the campaign will involve contacting Canadian organizations that do business with China and asking them to stand up to China, “telling them that what is going on can’t continue and is wrong.”
The #StandUpToChina campaign poster shows a farmer family in a canola field standing in front of a convoy of Chinese tanks, an allusion to the Tank Man who stood in front of tanks in Beijing to block their path during the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.

“The Tank Man standing up to the tanks in Tiananmen Square was a symbol of courage in the face of a tremendous amount of power,” said Peterson, noting that June 4 marks the 30th anniversary of the massacre.
“Today, China is the largest, most powerful, most aggressive country that we’re dealing with. It takes courage to stand up to China and say that you have to stop this, and that’s what we are trying to get our followers to do and to stand up for people.”
Canadians Held in China
A Canadian delegation consisting of MPs and senators is currently in China to seek the release of Kovrig and Spavor. The two haven’t been allowed legal representation and have had very few consular visits by Canadian officials.
The delegation is led by Liberal MP Robert Oliphant, parliamentary secretary to Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland. In an interview with CBC radio, Freeland said she hasn’t been able to talk to her Chinese counterpart despite repeated requests.
“It’s a terrible situation and we are very clear that these two men are arbitrarily detained,” she said.
Conservative MP Stephanie Kusie, a former diplomat, says current and former diplomats who were once her colleagues have told her that Canada needs a more effective response to the issue.
“I would really urge the Trudeau government to re-evaluate their global strategy for Canada and consider returning to a principle-based strategy rather than just being reactive,” Kusie said.
Requests for comment from Global Affairs were not returned by press time. Earlier this month, spokesperson Guillaume Bérubé said in an email that“Canada and China share a broad and important relationship, built on cooperation in the spheres of education, culture, tourism, business, and the environment. This relationship remains a priority for Canada.”
“We are very concerned by the arbitrary detentions of Canadians in China. These cases are a priority for our government,” he added.
Former Canadian diplomats and ambassadors to China have urged Ottawa to take a tougher stance against Beijing, with some commentators suggesting Canada should expel Chinese diplomatic staff or use the new Magnitsky Act to sanction individuals in China responsible for the arbitrary detention of Canadians.
Canada has urged its allies to add to the chorus of voices asking China to release Kovrig and Spavor. Earlier this month, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution in support of Canada and praising Ottawa for upholding the rule of law in arresting Meng. U.S. officials, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have condemned the detention of the two men and have called on China to release them.
And a new hashtag #StandUpToChina. Maybe China might respond with #RunThemOver.

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Flying pierogis at vienna.
Canada should do whatever the fuck we tell them to if they want to have the luxury of saying "Even if we're attacked we won't bomb them." Without us protecting their ass that mindset would see them fucking dead.
China barely has the amphibious capability to take Taiwan (and that's in serious doubt), much less cross the Atlantic to invade Canada. The US could withdraw all obligations to defend Canada and they would still be there tomorrow. Oceans are a bitch.

Huawei and Xiaomi can still get fucked.


God fucking damn it again. This shit pisses me off and I've said it on here before cause it's personal as I had family members spend 2 years in a Chinese gulag for the same kind of bullshit. They wrote a book on it that came out in November.

I'll just get the synopsis since I'm not trying to pedal someone's book I know. I actually just fucking hate China.

Two Tears on the Window, is Julia and Kevin Garratt’s true story of their 775-day abduction and imprisonment in China as pawns in a political play between China, Canada and the United States. In August 2014 State Security agents grabbed them, accusing them of espionage. In shock, they were unaware of a Chinese spy arrest in Canada, giving the US “some leverage over China to bring a stop to more than a decade of rampant cybertheft” or that they’d become “bargaining chips in China’s desperate countermove”. (Graff, Garrett M. “How the US Forced China to Quit Stealing—Using a China Spy”. Wired Magazine. October 11, 2018) This compelling story of a Canadian Christian couple who spent 30 years working and raising their family in China, involved in aid, education and social enterprise is a unique parallel journey. From the early days teaching English in a decade of ration coupons and collective work units, Kevin and Julia watched with admiration as China catapulted into the modern age with unprecedented speed. Well-loved in China, the Garratt’s had always been thanked for their work in education, social welfare, social enterprises and community service. In 2007, along with two of their children, they moved to the China/North Korea border, opened a popular coffee shop and provided aid and assistance for marginalized communities in Dandong, China and North Korea. Their sudden disappearance plunged them into a journey where survival took every breath. Through their harrowing ordeal and intense suffering comes life-changing insight. They find themselves part of new community of those who’ve tasted yet overcome the pain of injustice. Courage and kindness, friendship and faith, resonates through the ordeal with the heartbeat of a love journey. Artfully written, Two Tears in the Window combines Kevin’s gifted story-telling and humour with Julia’s ability to let you see through their eyes and draw readers into deeply painful yet profoundly life-changing experiences

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