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Indeed, they should be more people like them.
Chinese Communist Party Megathread - Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo
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jje100010001
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Food for thought in terms of a breakdown of US imports from China in 2020:
In any escalation, finding substitutes for mission-critical imports like pharmaceutical ingredients & rare earths (not consumer goods) will be key. However, with a lack of consumer goods, I would expect the economy to also be hit until alternate substitutes are found.
In any escalation, finding substitutes for mission-critical imports like pharmaceutical ingredients & rare earths (not consumer goods) will be key. However, with a lack of consumer goods, I would expect the economy to also be hit until alternate substitutes are found.
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If you want to see a Twitter account about China...here you go. https://twitter.com/truthabtchina?s=21
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I would suggest archiving these videos before they are taken down.
Here we have a Twitter video that shows Nigerian workers being forced out of their homes.
Here in Xinjiang, we have literal fences where people are cordoned off. just look at the quotes:
Imagine if this was in America, if someone had a sign that said "For health and safety reasons, no black people are allowed in our store."
That store would get boycotted and cancelled to oblivion, and the owner denounced as a racist.
I am saying this as a Chinese-American, because I have personally met people who voiced Pro-CCP sympathies.
They say that American media "is filled with lies, and they trust Chinese state-run media more for whatever reason, "HK protesters are violent and are brainwashed kids", or the good old whataboutism found in r/Sino or r/GenZedong.
Wanna see why we are against the CCP?
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China understands it has a choice between survival or extinction, and you have been fooled into believing you will be shown any mercy when the tables are turned.
Who the fuck is a threat to make 1,300,000,000 Han Chinese extinct?
I've always interpreted a "threat" to China being moreso a threat to CCP control and overall unity of China as a overall state.
Considering there are issues worth being concerned about such as water (parts apparently going to run out by 2030), demographics (I remember seeing a headline that the CCP wants to push back retirement age, but it was a NYT or WaPo article and I don't know how to archive them tbh lol), their lol worthy housing market amping into a massive bubble.
There are some other issues certainly, but they're a bit easier to disprove imo.
The CCP is built upon the promise that if the Chinese people tolerate the corruption and oppression, they would raise the quality of life for the Chinese people. And since 1970 they have been able to do that. But these threats may make that prospect... questionable?
If the CCP has to choose between the welfare of their people versus them maintaining power, then uh, it's power all the way. So they're preparing to consolidate their power.
They're cracking down on "corruption", demonizing foreigners, genociding problematic minorities, entrenching their surveillance state, all preparing for the possiblity of the Chinese people no longer tolerating the CCP.
Throughout history there are ocassions of the Chinese peasantry consuming a government they lose favour with very quickly. That's the only "real" threat I can see to "China" as we understand now. If the CCP were to lose power there's no guarantee that "China" as we know would reform as before (Let's say there's a little civil war, some interprovincial fighting, a new government emerges, would Tibet or Xinjiang want to be part of that again, would other regional powers like India, Russia, Japan allow China to reform as it was before?)
The Han people are numerous enough to survive all that, China a nation has a "possibility" of not, or at least not as large and powerful as it is now.
jje100010001
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More food for thought in China's race to become rich before it becomes old:
This much-awaited, much-delayed census may put into perspective some of the CCP's recent actions (i.e. eliminating the One Child Policy, endorsing traditional families & restricting feminist movements), and overall geopolitical moves with the knowledge that the window of opportunity towards settling the CCP's long-term political goals may be rapidly closing.
That being said- Coronavirus may have had an impact, and that'll need to be taken into account once normality is achieved (whenever it may be).
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Against the larger demographic backdrop in these nations, you may have the odd community out, whose beliefs compel them towards larger families, but normies for the most part will be happy to enjoy a hedonistic, #child-free life if it's the current zeitgeist. Even worse is if vast majority of your married population aims for 1 child max, which essentially ends up creating a net-1 population loss (I believe that this is the case in Russia, which the government there is trying to change).
Some more context against a general East Asia population decline:
And some minor ironies that the most fertile Han populations are just outside China's borders- proving that it's all about culture.
This much-awaited, much-delayed census may put into perspective some of the CCP's recent actions (i.e. eliminating the One Child Policy, endorsing traditional families & restricting feminist movements), and overall geopolitical moves with the knowledge that the window of opportunity towards settling the CCP's long-term political goals may be rapidly closing.
That being said- Coronavirus may have had an impact, and that'll need to be taken into account once normality is achieved (whenever it may be).
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Crucial statement here- total fertility rate is often a one-way cultural street, and extremely difficult to restore. Like I mentioned before, Orban's Hungary, despite its generous incentives towards having children, has still only nudged the needle from 1.23 to 1.55 (herculean task, but still not enough).
Against the larger demographic backdrop in these nations, you may have the odd community out, whose beliefs compel them towards larger families, but normies for the most part will be happy to enjoy a hedonistic, #child-free life if it's the current zeitgeist. Even worse is if vast majority of your married population aims for 1 child max, which essentially ends up creating a net-1 population loss (I believe that this is the case in Russia, which the government there is trying to change).
Some more context against a general East Asia population decline:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/C...lation-drop-10-years-earlier-than-anticipated (Archive)
From the first article- South Korea's fertility rate is probably the worst of the bunch at 0.98, Japan's at 1.42.
And some minor ironies that the most fertile Han populations are just outside China's borders- proving that it's all about culture.
https://mercatornet.com/the-worlds-...live-in-a-violent-backwater-of-myanmar/24850/ (Archive)
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Holy fuck.More food for thought in China's race to become rich before it becomes old:
This much-awaited, much-delayed census may put into perspective some of the CCP's recent actions (i.e. eliminating the One Child Policy, endorsing traditional families & restricting feminist movements), and overall geopolitical moves with the knowledge that the window of opportunity towards settling the CCP's long-term political goals may be rapidly closing.
That being said- Coronavirus may have had an impact, and that'll need to be taken into account once normality is achieved (whenever it may be).
Subscribe to read | Financial Times
News, analysis and comment from the Financial Times, the worldʼs leading global business publication
Crucial statement here- total fertility rate is often a one-way cultural street, and extremely difficult to restore. Like I mentioned before, Orban's Hungary, despite its generous incentives towards having children, has still only nudged the needle from 1.23 to 1.55 (herculean task, but still not enough).
Against the larger demographic backdrop in these nations, you may have the odd community out, whose beliefs compel them towards larger families, but normies for the most part will be happy to enjoy a hedonistic, #child-free life if it's the current zeitgeist. Even worse is if vast majority of your married population aims for 1 child max, which essentially ends up creating a net-1 population loss (I believe that this is the case in Russia, which the government there is trying to change).
Some more context against a general East Asia population decline:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/C...lation-drop-10-years-earlier-than-anticipated (Archive)
From the first article- South Korea's fertility rate is probably the worst of the bunch at 0.98, Japan's at 1.42.
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And some minor ironies that the most fertile Han populations are just outside China's borders- proving that it's all about culture.
https://mercatornet.com/the-worlds-...live-in-a-violent-backwater-of-myanmar/24850/ (Archive)
That's actually way worse than I was expecting. And considering that the CCP has a reputation to fudge numbers to look in the favour...
I wonder how close to that 1.1 theorized figure was the Chinese reproduction rate they are actually are (or maybe Covid killed millions of them lol)
I've heard discussions that with this data we could be looking at the Population of China halving by 2070, not 2100. In which case...
One Child, not even once.
jje100010001
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Doesn't even matter if you have 700 million or 1 billion, if half of them are seniors.
The welfare of the party IS the welfare of the state, comrade!I've always interpreted a "threat" to China being moreso a threat to CCP control and overall unity of China as a overall state.
Considering there are issues worth being concerned about such as water (parts apparently going to run out by 2030), demographics (I remember seeing a headline that the CCP wants to push back retirement age, but it was a NYT or WaPo article and I don't know how to archive them tbh lol), their lol worthy housing market amping into a massive bubble.
There are some other issues certainly, but they're a bit easier to disprove imo.
The CCP is built upon the promise that if the Chinese people tolerate the corruption and oppression, they would raise the quality of life for the Chinese people. And since 1970 they have been able to do that. But these threats may make that prospect... questionable?
If the CCP has to choose between the welfare of their people versus them maintaining power, then uh, it's power all the way. So they're preparing to consolidate their power.
They're cracking down on "corruption", demonizing foreigners, genociding problematic minorities, entrenching their surveillance state, all preparing for the possiblity of the Chinese people no longer tolerating the CCP.
Throughout history there are ocassions of the Chinese peasantry consuming a government they lose favour with very quickly. That's the only "real" threat I can see to "China" as we understand now. If the CCP were to lose power there's no guarantee that "China" as we know would reform as before (Let's say there's a little civil war, some interprovincial fighting, a new government emerges, would Tibet or Xinjiang want to be part of that again, would other regional powers like India, Russia, Japan allow China to reform as it was before?)
The Han people are numerous enough to survive all that, China a nation has a "possibility" of not, or at least not as large and powerful as it is now.
Super-Chevy454
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And we might add last year floods, but the 2021 Monsoon season will come soon and if China is hit by a new wave of flooding, how much damage it'll do and I didn't count the Three Gorges Dam.
It put a serious crimp on their food supplies that they still haven't recovered from. They lost a lot of arable land to those floods and the subsequent miasma of toxic wastes that they released, which has resulted in a shortfall of livestock feed, meaning they have to import. Given the way the PDO is turning, their primary sources of animal and feedstock imports are going to be in drought soon. Interesting times.
Setting aside the obvious problems with china's age demographic distribution why exactly do they even care about slowing fertility rates? They're contending with massive water and food shortages, and society doesn't need 1 billion people to function. If they can elevate themselves to a sufficient level of industrialization(which they pretty much have) then they can eradicate the need for massive swaths of people. It becomes even more confusing to me when you acknowledge the fact that fertility rates are dropping everywhere that's not a 3rd world shithole. More people does nothing for you in a modern context other than make more mouths to feed. You're not overwhelming a modern military simply by sheer numbers alone , and farming largely does not require huge numbers of field workers either. Probably me just being retarded and not considering things I should, but if anyone wants to point out what I'm missing please do as its something I've been thinking about recently.
A lot of China's economic weight at the moment comes from the sheer number of people that it has. People are more than just mouths to feed, they drive your economy, China has a massive industry yes, (But that's been under threat, companies moving south into asia, or even some industries finding it cheaper to build automated plants in the US instead, after all low Chinese wages offset shipping, and without that and cheap power in the states, why not) but without a population to sell to that's fucking worthless. Fear is that China grew it's population too quickly, and when it shrinks the relative wealth will grow too slowly and the economy will collapse.
Add that to it's housing market being somewhat driven by the fact that Chinese home ownership is very high, less people means less demand for housing, risks potential collapse of a bubble speculated to be huge portion of China's economy (Hell I've heard people speculate that a 25% decrease in housing value in China would knock like 1% off global GDP)
And again people don't exactly tend to just sit around and starve happily, so they're a rebellion risk. The CCP can't afford large scale rebellions gaining traction. It's also worth considering the male-female imbalance (20 Million surplus males I think?). Men with no prospects of raising a family, nothing to really lose, we've seen the kind of culture that balance can generate, and it looks like the Middle East.
And another thing worth mentioning is that China's population is aging fast. It's already on average older than the average American. Old people tend to contribute little and cost a dime. And liquidating them might stroke anger and fear from the population, another domestic issue.
Then again, the Great leap forward killed 50M and the Chinese did fuckall so your opinion isn't unfounded.
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This is probably why they're so into the idea of stealing intellectual property so openly and trying to get their hands on resources in Africa and so on. They need to convert the main drive of their economy from being their sheer numbers to anything else. They're left with a question now of whether to keep the population up to keep their current economy power going or getting the population to decrease as they're able to convert to more of a service based economy so they don't strain what resources they have (and maybe stop eating rodents).
jje100010001
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This, the main goal of the CCP is to escape the Middle Income Trap, and to close the tech gap between it and the West- in short, it wants to become an America of sorts.
Their population goals are to convert peasants (usefully only for manufacturing) into middle-class urbanites in order to drive domestic consumption & research, but the issue is that urbanites simply aren't having enough children, so it's a one-way trip, within a single generation. Even worse, the peasants are no longer having children due to the One Child Policy so that population reservoir is rapidly emptying, especially in Northern China.
America didn't have this problem as it started urbanizing earlier, and their urbanites continued having enough children until a few decades ago. On top of that, educated immigration continues to patch over this shortfall (though at the expense of a long-term national cohesion), so America really won't be running into this issue for decades to come. Of course the Latin American illegal immigration problem is a threat, but that's another beast in itself.
I have serious doubts that China would be able to attract this level of legal immigration beyond poaching a few high-level individuals/ELT teachers, due to the generally Han-supremacist nature of the CCP. Africans, Indonesians, Indians, and Central Asians? Maybe, but the Chinese would balk at such a suggestion at polluting their 'pure' territory.
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I foresee this exact thing happening in major urban centers in the U.S. based on someones financial status.
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Meanwhile, in the country itself....
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