Inactive Chloe Sagal / John Paul Neumann - Self-Immolated to Protest The US Mental Health System. Currently Being Exploited by her "Allies".

[MysteriousStranger]

Nobody is to blame here. Not her roommates. Not society. Not the health care system. Not us. Not even Chloe. Suicide was the only way this story could possibly end.

Chloe violently fought against any kind of medical intervention. Repeatedly. And, let's face it, our treatments for major mental illness suck. From what I understand, most available antipsychotics make people feel like shit (which is why so many psychotics are non-compliant).

Chloe was too crazy to live with and not crazy enough for a locked ward.

Just...dear god, not a gasoline fire.

 

[Hellfire]

The Daily Mail regurgitated the two articles and managed to completely omit any mention of Sagal wielding a machete on Saturday, nor any mention of the roommates kicking her out and making her homeless after she returned from the 48-hour hold at Unity, nor her near-last words of telling people she did it because she was now homeless. http://archive.md/nVbrC They instead focused entirely on the lies told by the guilty "friends" trying to cover their asses, and twisted the narrative to imply it had something to do with "online harassment" rather than untreated mental illness and getting kicked out of the house she had been living in. They even got the date of the suicide incorrect, they say it was Wednesday when it was on Tuesday (the article came out Wednesday).

"It's not exactly clear what she was protesting about."
Even the headline says it was done in the "middle of a busy Portland street"
It's no wonder it is called the Daily Fail.

 

[Next Task]

The author of the article about Chloe that mentioned Kiwifarms appears to be more distraught about Koko the fucking gorilla than Chloe

To be fair, Chloe was a nightmare person. Koko is a way more sympathetic character.

 

[CrimsonKnight]

I just heard about Chloe's death, and it's not surprising that people want to blame the Farms. They never focus on the actual issues, like Chloe's mental issues, but want to rake someone or something over the coals who had nothing to do with her death. I recall some of Chloe's "friends" were taking advantage of her, so that did not help.

 

[Positron]

Well, at least she tried to have a meaningful death by bringing attention to a legitimate problem in society. F.

The only legitimate problem is John himself.

 

[Smutley]

Nobody is to blame here. Not her roommates. Not society. Not the health care system. Not us. Not even Chloe. Suicide was the only way this story could possibly end.

Chloe violently fought against any kind of medical intervention. Repeatedly. And, let's face it, our treatments for major mental illness suck. From what I understand, most available antipsychotics make people feel like shit (which is why so many psychotics are non-compliant).

Chloe was too crazy to live with and not crazy enough for a locked ward.

Just...dear god, not a gasoline fire.

I do blame Chloe for her death though, because she was so aggressively anti-treatment. She fell into two huge traps easily.

1) She was an “artist” which means she assumed her manic spells were the muses giving her inspiration and was worth the “infrequent” depressive episodes. That’s something a lot of crazies try saying because they just don’t like being even keel. Never mind she was also incredibly lazy, in her mind medicine was evil and potential creativity king.

2) She hated hospitals because they didn’t coddle her and told her what would help her get better not what she wanted to hear. This is what killed Elizabeth Waites too. She suicide baited until she was locked up and fucking lost it when it wasn’t club med filled with designer drugs to abuse. Chloe’s lockup’s meant she HAD to take her medicine and HAD to talk to doctors and couldn’t run amok. The social groups she was apart of have almost all exclusively had this same experience at least once and because of that encourage their friends to never go even if they take too many pills or set themselves on fire.

Chloe was a drug abusing lunatic who hated showering, wallowed in rooms full of trash, and physically fought anyone who suggested she do anything to better her life. This was enevitable because she made it enevitable.

 

[HG 400]

Chloe was a drug abusing lunatic who hated showering, wallowed in rooms full of trash, and physically fought anyone who suggested she do anything to better her life. This was enevitable because she made it enevitable.

And for all the people here blaming the tranny network for 'cutting ties' with her, she did throw tantrums on a near-daily basis, falsely accuse them of raping her, threaten them with machetes, threaten suicide to get what she wanted, constantly. Nobody is saintly enough to put up with that shit. It's draining, dangerous and impossible to give somebody like Chloe help and anybody who stuck it out and actually tried for even a few weeks is both a hero and an idiot.

Chloe's death is 100% down to the fucked-up broken shit in Chloe brain, and nothing else.

 

[Four-Wheeled Fedora]

Chloe was a drug abusing lunatic who hated showering, wallowed in rooms full of trash, and physically fought anyone who suggested she do anything to better her life. This was enevitable because she made it enevitable.

Nobody else is going to sum it up better (except possibly by spelling inevitable correctly) than this post right here. This thread needs to get closed unless people really wanna do another 100 pages of arguing about whose fault it is when a true psycho does something really really crazy.

 

[Stanley_Buttkiss]

At least her family doesn't have to pay for a cremation?

 

[Optimus Prime]

At least her family doesn't have to pay for a cremation?

Unfortunately, the self-immolation was extinguished by a bystander so even though Chloe died as a result of the act, there's still a body.

 

[MysteriousStranger]

I do blame Chloe for her death though, because she was so aggressively anti-treatment.

Oh, she was a deeply nasty and self-destructive person, no doubt. But her brain was fucked. Personality comes out of the brain, too.

I'm not even sure I believe in free will anymore.

 

[Done]

And for all the people here blaming the tranny network for 'cutting ties' with her

I don't really pretend to have some moral standing in this, I shitposted multiple fire songs like many others like a trigger-happy tard, but I think nobody would have blamed them if they had copped to that and quietly mourned, hell, even the copping part is optional IMO.

Instead they started insisting that no, she was part of their network all along, solely to score points against KF and to somehow discredit the info in their own threads..

 

[Stanley_Buttkiss]

Unfortunately, the self-immolation was extinguished by a bystander so even though Chloe died as a result of the act, there's still a body.

You mean to tell me the fucking Troon couldn't even get that right? Bloody hell.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

The only legitimate problem is John himself.

So same thing either way.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-31-year-old-transgender-artist-set-fire.html

'Brilliant' artist commits suicide by setting herself on fire in the middle of a busy Portland street 'after being bullied online'
By Daniel Roth For Dailymail.com

In 2013, Sagal found herself in the cross-hairs of what New York Magazine called 'the web's biggest community of stalkers,' a 'hate mob' known as Kiwi Farms.

Members of Kiwi Farms, whose participants 'specialize in harassing people they perceive as being mentally ill or sexually deviant in some way,' began targeting Sagal and revealed that the money was actually being raised for her gender surgery.

 

[CrimsonKnight]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-31-year-old-transgender-artist-set-fire.html

'Brilliant' artist commits suicide by setting herself on fire in the middle of a busy Portland street 'after being bullied online'
By Daniel Roth For Dailymail.com

In 2013, Sagal found herself in the cross-hairs of what New York Magazine called 'the web's biggest community of stalkers,' a 'hate mob' known as Kiwi Farms.

Members of Kiwi Farms, whose participants 'specialize in harassing people they perceive as being mentally ill or sexually deviant in some way,' began targeting Sagal and revealed that the money was actually being raised for her gender surgery.

There is some sanity in the comments, but not much. They're trying so hard to make it out to be cyberbullying, when Chloe was a few cards short of a full deck. Self immolation doesn't strike me as someone who was bullied, but more of something mental.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-31-year-old-transgender-artist-set-fire.html

'Brilliant' artist commits suicide by setting herself on fire in the middle of a busy Portland street 'after being bullied online'
By Daniel Roth For Dailymail.com

In 2013, Sagal found herself in the cross-hairs of what New York Magazine called 'the web's biggest community of stalkers,' a 'hate mob' known as Kiwi Farms.

Members of Kiwi Farms, whose participants 'specialize in harassing people they perceive as being mentally ill or sexually deviant in some way,' began targeting Sagal and revealed that the money was actually being raised for her gender surgery.

Destructoid outed Chloe’s scam?

 

[whatever I feel like]

Isn't that libelous? Not that it matters but the UK's press protection laws are apparently shit.

 

[AnOminous]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-31-year-old-transgender-artist-set-fire.html

'Brilliant' artist commits suicide by setting herself on fire in the middle of a busy Portland street 'after being bullied online'
By Daniel Roth For Dailymail.com

In 2013, Sagal found herself in the cross-hairs of what New York Magazine called 'the web's biggest community of stalkers,' a 'hate mob' known as Kiwi Farms.

Members of Kiwi Farms, whose participants 'specialize in harassing people they perceive as being mentally ill or sexually deviant in some way,' began targeting Sagal and revealed that the money was actually being raised for her gender surgery.

Except of course for the obvious, blatant lie that Chloe's thread didn't even exist until 2015.

And they wonder why fake news is a thing.

 

[repentance]

Gamergate killed Chloe. Not really sure why Rani felt the need to weigh in.