Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata -

Lieileen

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Some powerleveling here and I haven't been through the whole thread but I want to make it clear that with so many suicide attempts and such a rampant case of DID, this girl would have been sectioned under the Mental Health act in England. The NHS is crumbling BUT it does respond to extreme cases of mental illness. My family are all in the psychiatric profession and my mom herself has been a psychiatric nurse for 40 years - she categorically doesn't believe in DID. However, obviously some professionals do. Regardless, this girl would have been sectioned. Put on antidepressants, anti-psychotics. Most disorders as extreme as this ARE treatable and people ARE able to rehabilitate in some way, shape, or form. That, or they are under community psychiatric care. Even during the pandemic, they would have been sectioned. Hospital wards exist solely for psychiatric care.

PDs such as DID stem from extreme childhood abuse, almost always likely extreme, prolonged sexual abuse. To disassociate is the body's way of protecting itself from trauma. It can be accompanied by other extreme behaviours - self harm, addiction, dangerous behaviours.

More power levelling but I have known someone with supposed DID - that was her formal diagnosis. When she would come around from disassociating, she would have absolutely no idea what she had done, where she'd been, who had created the pieces of work her "alter" would create. She certainly did not just fall in and out of personalities, consistently able to carry on trains of thought, discussions etc. Her memory was wiped.

I've always thought this girl was a fucking hack. This just solidifies that. I'm absolutely fascinated by personality disorders but I think this is horse shit and makes a mockery of real illness.

Yeah because SSRIs are ‘evidence based’ and totally work.

Sadly, I don’t doubt that numerous suicide attempts wouldn’t have gotten her sectioned beyond a short-term hold and would be quite surprised if she’d ever been offered anything beyond anti-depressants. Not that anti-psychotics are a cure-all anyway.

PD treatment is pretty hard to come by in the UK as is getting a formal diagnosis for anything.

Years of cost-saving initiatives have led the NHS to prioritise ‘holistic’ treatments and group therapies, which along with a rhetoric of ‘labels aren’t helpful’ has led to many people being shit out of luck when it comes to getting professional mental health treatment unless they pay for it.

Given that everything goes through GPs, many people presenting will just be cycled through various SSRIs unless the GP knows the CCG has funding for a referral.

Diagnosis impacts waiting time targets, so they try to avoid it. No diagnosis = no specialist treatment required!
 

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Yeah because SSRIs are ‘evidence based’ and totally work.

Sadly, I don’t doubt that numerous suicide attempts wouldn’t have gotten her sectioned beyond a short-term hold and would be quite surprised if she’d ever been offered anything beyond anti-depressants. Not that anti-psychotics are a cure-all anyway.

PD treatment is pretty hard to come by in the UK as is getting a formal diagnosis for anything.

Years of cost-saving initiatives have led the NHS to prioritise ‘holistic’ treatments and group therapies, which along with a rhetoric of ‘labels aren’t helpful’ has led to many people being shit out of luck when it comes to getting professional mental health treatment unless they pay for it.

Given that everything goes through GPs, many people presenting will just be cycled through various SSRIs unless the GP knows the CCG has funding for a referral.

Diagnosis impacts waiting time targets, so they try to avoid it. No diagnosis = no specialist treatment required!
How do they not work? There's huge amounts of people who take SSRIs and are able to manage their illnesses. Treatment works in tandem with one another - intense therapy, medication, community support. It's not just SSRIs, it's anti psychotics, beta blockers etc.

It is not as hard as you think to be diagnosed with a PD if your PD is so obvious and so apparent. Regardless of the apparent or obviousness of your disorder, if different SSRIs aren't effective in treatment, you're referred to psychiatry. Through psychiatry, they triage you to determine your necessity for help. I'll admit, at the moment, psychiatry will refer you on immediately if you abuse any sort of substance (alcohol, drugs etc).

Triaging pertains to all levels of mental health and the risk associated. A suicidal attempt is a category A emergency in terms of UK mental health triaging - this does not go through the GP. The emergency services must be contacted in this instance. That means sectioning no matter what and they determine whether it's appropriate to allow you back out into the community. Category B - very high risk of imminent harm to self or others (ie, suicidal ideation, harm to others, a clear plan, history of attempts/self-harm/aggression) requires immediate contact of the crisis team within 4 hours. By the time you get to category C, you're reduced to a 24 hour waiting time. Category D, 72 hours. Category D is significant distress associated with severe mental illness. Category E, 4 weeks waiting time. That's the requirement of a specialist mental health assessment. That is some of the UK's triage response to mental illness and risk.

You can be diagnosed via therapy/counselling services and they will contact your GP with their suggested diagnosis. Any GP worth their salt will contact you regarding this. If you express suicidal ideation to a GP, with any outline of a plan, they have a statutory duty of care to you as their patient to contact the emergency services. There is NO way a GP will allow someone with suicidal ideation, aggression, such extreme delusions, signs of mental illness, to go out into the community without care.
 
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How do they not work? There's huge amounts of people who take SSRIs and are able to manage their illnesses. Treatment works in tandem with one another - intense therapy, medication, community support. It's not just SSRIs, it's anti psychotics, beta blockers etc.

It is not as hard as you think to be diagnosed with a PD if your PD is so obvious and so apparent. Regardless of the apparent or obviousness of your disorder, if different SSRIs aren't effective in treatment, you're referred to psychiatry. Through psychiatry, they triage you to determine your necessity for help. I'll admit, at the moment, psychiatry will refer you on immediately if you abuse any sort of substance (alcohol, drugs etc).

Triaging pertains to all levels of mental health and the risk associated. A suicidal attempt is a category A emergency in terms of UK mental health triaging - this does not go through the GP. The emergency services must be contacted in this instance. That means sectioning no matter what and they determine whether it's appropriate to allow you back out into the community. Category B - very high risk of imminent harm to self or others (ie, suicidal ideation, harm to others, a clear plan, history of attempts/self-harm/aggression) requires immediate contact of the crisis team within 4 hours. By the time you get to category C, you're reduced to a 24 hour waiting time. Category D, 72 hours. Category D is significant distress associated with severe mental illness. Category E, 4 weeks waiting time. That's the requirement of a specialist mental health assessment. That is some of the UK's triage response to mental illness and risk.

You can be diagnosed via therapy/counselling services and they will contact your GP with their suggested diagnosis. Any GP worth their salt will contact you regarding this. If you express suicidal ideation to a GP, with any outline of a plan, they have a statutory duty of care to you as their patient to contact the emergency services. There is NO way a GP will allow someone with suicidal ideation, aggression, such extreme delusions, signs of mental illness, to go out into the community without care.

I think you’re living in a fantasy land where NICE Guidelines like clockwork, or else your family are lucky enough to work in trusts which have the money to throw at this kinda stuff.

SSRIs might work for some people. But they can’t work in tandem if there’s nothing to work in tandem with.

Ineffective SSRIs don’t always lead to psychiatry. That very much depends on the Trust or CCG pathways. Many trusts have walled off consulting psychs behind layers of community services which take an age to get through.

Even then, psychiatrists are hamstrung by the options available to them. They can’t refer to a service where one doesn’t exist. That can be masked as the triaging you describe.

Counsellors, therapists and GPs do not diagnose mental health disorders.
Suggested diagnoses mean shit without funding for a pathway which will result in diagnosis. That’s not always up to a psychiatrist alone either.
 

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Asked a classmate who had been diagnosed with a PD a while back. He said that essentially he was inpatient and a doctor just went through a checklist of asking what symptoms did he experience. At the end, the guy said ‘you have OCPD’ and basically walked out. To be fair, he was right. The guy is doing loads better than before. My point is that the actual process of getting a diagnosis can be simple once a professional is made aware of what you need. The problem is most professionals literally do not give a shit what you say. You can scream until you’re blue in the face about your problems but until you either 1) almost die by suicide, 2) almost die from addiction, or 3) almost die from an eating disorder, they do not care.
 

Lieileen

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Asked a classmate who had been diagnosed with a PD a while back. He said that essentially he was inpatient and a doctor just went through a checklist of asking what symptoms did he experience. At the end, the guy said ‘you have OCPD’ and basically walked out. To be fair, he was right. The guy is doing loads better than before. My point is that the actual process of getting a diagnosis can be simple once a professional is made aware of what you need. The problem is most professionals literally do not give a shit what you say. You can scream until you’re blue in the face about your problems but until you either 1) almost die by suicide, 2) almost die from addiction, or 3) almost die from an eating disorder, they do not care.
My favourite anecdote is the person who only managed to get a suggested PD diagnosis from a court appointed psych.

Which was then ignored by the NHS.
 

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How do they not work? There's huge amounts of people who take SSRIs and are able to manage their illnesses. Treatment works in tandem with one another - intense therapy, medication, community support. It's not just SSRIs, it's anti psychotics, beta blockers etc.

It is not as hard as you think to be diagnosed with a PD if your PD is so obvious and so apparent. Regardless of the apparent or obviousness of your disorder, if different SSRIs aren't effective in treatment, you're referred to psychiatry. Through psychiatry, they triage you to determine your necessity for help. I'll admit, at the moment, psychiatry will refer you on immediately if you abuse any sort of substance (alcohol, drugs etc).

Triaging pertains to all levels of mental health and the risk associated. A suicidal attempt is a category A emergency in terms of UK mental health triaging - this does not go through the GP. The emergency services must be contacted in this instance. That means sectioning no matter what and they determine whether it's appropriate to allow you back out into the community. Category B - very high risk of imminent harm to self or others (ie, suicidal ideation, harm to others, a clear plan, history of attempts/self-harm/aggression) requires immediate contact of the crisis team within 4 hours. By the time you get to category C, you're reduced to a 24 hour waiting time. Category D, 72 hours. Category D is significant distress associated with severe mental illness. Category E, 4 weeks waiting time. That's the requirement of a specialist mental health assessment. That is some of the UK's triage response to mental illness and risk.

You can be diagnosed via therapy/counselling services and they will contact your GP with their suggested diagnosis. Any GP worth their salt will contact you regarding this. If you express suicidal ideation to a GP, with any outline of a plan, they have a statutory duty of care to you as their patient to contact the emergency services. There is NO way a GP will allow someone with suicidal ideation, aggression, such extreme delusions, signs of mental illness, to go out into the community without care.
For someone that comes from a “family of psychiatrists” you don’t know much! DID isn’t a PD whatever Chloe has is but not DID which is why the powers that be who believe in it changed it from MPD
If you believe in DID Medication doesn’t help at all. It may help but as it’s not inherently a “mental illness” it’s a trauma response.

SSRIs may help with co-morbid conditions such as Anxiety & Depression etc There isn’t even a drug/s to treat BPD only medications to help symptoms which is why it’s so hard. The majority of Psychiatrists agree that cluster B PD aren’t mental illnesses at all because they are PD. They don’t change your brain chemistry, they don’t have wires zapping causing psychosis or hallucinations or paranoia.
 

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If you believe in DID Medication doesn’t help at all. It may help but as it’s not inherently a “mental illness” it’s a trauma response.
Hold up. Personality Disorders and any other conditions (such as PTSD) that are thought to have origins in trauma are all still mental illnesses, full stop. These are mental health conditions that inhibit a person's ability to function. You can't just say that it's not an illness (and therefore can't be treated through medications) if there's not physical component of it. First of all, you'd be 100% Dead-On-Arrival wrong. Traumatic stress is well documented to have physical impacts on the brain. These physical changes create the biological imbalances that lead to these behaviors. This is why pharmacological therapy can have benefits for some people. In fact, SSRIs and SNRIs have shown significant benefit in treating those with PTSD. Some personality disorders can be treated through medications, particularly through mood stabilizers and anti psychotics with BPD. Some don't respond to medications very well, but that doesn't mean there aren't biological causes for the disorder. In fact, ASPD is a notoriously treatment resistant disorder, but those diagnosed with it share very interesting brain abnormalities in structures responsible for generating empathy, or in their case, lack thereof. Two other good examples are that NPD patients show a neural disconnect between self and reward, and OCPD patients show spontaneous activity compared to normal brains that indicate potential neurobiological causes for their disorder. My point is that you're completely wrong about these illnesses because they don't have biological changes. They do, very much so, so much so that some can be treated through medications (which completely contradicts what you said). Others are resistant to medications but still exhibit physical structures that may be indicative of a neurological cause that in the future might help us find treatments.

TLDR: PDs are mental illnesses. It's well documented within peer reviewed scientific literature. What else would they be if not mental illnesses?
 

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I preferred when Chloe was gone I think. This is like being back in college while psych 101 students jizz all over each other. It's a damn fictitious disease. For the love of fuck why can't you all sperg about this shit in the multiples or munchie thread? I've had enough TMI to tide me over till 2022.
 
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Hold up. Personality Disorders and any other conditions (such as PTSD) that are thought to have origins in trauma are all still mental illnesses, full stop. These are mental health conditions that inhibit a person's ability to function. You can't just say that it's not an illness (and therefore can't be treated through medications) if there's not physical component of it. First of all, you'd be 100% Dead-On-Arrival wrong. Traumatic stress is well documented to have physical impacts on the brain. These physical changes create the biological imbalances that lead to these behaviors. This is why pharmacological therapy can have benefits for some people. In fact, SSRIs and SNRIs have shown significant benefit in treating those with PTSD. Some personality disorders can be treated through medications, particularly through mood stabilizers and anti psychotics with BPD. Some don't respond to medications very well, but that doesn't mean there aren't biological causes for the disorder. In fact, ASPD is a notoriously treatment resistant disorder, but those diagnosed with it share very interesting brain abnormalities in structures responsible for generating empathy, or in their case, lack thereof. Two other good examples are that NPD patients show a neural disconnect between self and reward, and OCPD patients show spontaneous activity compared to normal brains that indicate potential neurobiological causes for their disorder. My point is that you're completely wrong about these illnesses because they don't have biological changes. They do, very much so, so much so that some can be treated through medications (which completely contradicts what you said). Others are resistant to medications but still exhibit physical structures that may be indicative of a neurological cause that in the future might help us find treatments.

TLDR: PDs are mental illnesses. It's well documented within peer reviewed scientific literature. What else would they be if not mental illnesses?
Many — perhaps most — contemporary British psychiatrists seem not to regard personality disorders as illnesses. Certainly, it is commonplace for a diagnosis of personality disorder to be used to justify a decision not to admit someone to a psychiatric ward, or even to accept them for treatment — a practice that understandably puzzles and irritates the staff of accident and emergency departments, general practitioners and probation officers, who find themselves left to cope as best they can with extremely difficult, frustrating people without any psychiatric assistance. The reasons for this attitude were explored by Lewis & Appleby (1988). Using ratings of case vignettes by 240 experienced psychiatrists, they showed that suicide attempts and other behaviours by patients previously diagnosed as having personality disorders were commonly regarded as manipulative and under voluntary control rather than the result of illness, and that the patients themselves were generally regarded as irritating, attention-seeking, difficult to manage and unlikely to comply with advice or treatment.

Personality disorders are described in the International Classification of Mental and Behavioural Disorders (ICD-10) as ‘deeply ingrained and enduring behaviour patterns, manifesting themselves as inflexible responses to a broad range of personal and social situations’; they represent ‘either extreme or significant deviations from the way the average individual in a given culture perceives, thinks, feels, and particularly relates to others’ and are ‘developmental conditions, which appear in childhood or adolescence and continue into adulthood’ (World Health Organization, 1992a ). They are distinguished from mental illness by their enduring, potentially lifelong nature and by the assumption that they represent extremes of normal variation rather than a morbid process of some kind. Whether or not these assumptions are justified, there is broad agreement that personality disorders are important to psychiatrists because they impinge on clinical practice in so many different ways. People with personality disorders are at increased risk of several different mental disorders, including depressions and anxiety disorders, suicide and parasuicide, and misuse of and dependence on alcohol and other drugs. In addition, people with schizotypal personalities are at increased risk of schizophrenia and those with anancastic personalities are at increased risk of obsessive—compulsive disorders. The presence of a personality disorder also complicates the treatment of most other mental disorders, most obviously because the individuals concerned do not easily form stable relationships with their therapists or take prescribed medication regularly. Indeed, in group settings they often disrupt the treatment of other patients as well. Finally, with or without treatment, the prognosis of most mental disorders is worsened by coexistent personality disorder. Because of these important, complex relationships, it is taken for granted that psychiatrists need to be alert to the presence of personality disorder, even if, as is often the case, the disorder does not correspond to any of the distinct types described in textbooks and listed in glossaries. The contentious issues are whether personality disorders are amenable to treatment, and whether people displaying these habitual abnormalities of behaviour deserve to be accorded the privileges of the ‘invalid role’.

If personality disorders are not to be regarded as mental illnesses despite their undisputed relevance to psychiatric practice, the obvious alternative is to regard them as risk factors and complicating factors for a wide range of mental disorders, in much the same way that obesity is a risk factor for diabetes, myocardial infarction, breast cancer, gallstones and osteoarthritis, and complicates the management of an even wider range of conditions. Like personality disorder, obesity is listed as a disease in the ICD-10: it is coded E66 as an endocrine, nutritional or metabolic disease (World Health Organization, 1992b
 

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Round of applause for the autist who liked @Jumpingintrash's post but kept the Wikipedia dumps going. Never change babe. Let's bring it back to what matters.

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Stop thirsting over a fictional teenage boy Lanna. You have children.
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You are not a lizard. Stop.
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This guy looks like Prince Jackson. Lol
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And in even more important news, our resident leach YT'r posted her hot take on Chloe's Comeback. I appreciate her teeth showing thumbnail on a spiritual level. Nicely balanced with her own equally atrocious 3 day old ramen noodle hair.
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Jesus Christ. I forgot how spergy this thread becomes when something is actually happening and we aren't just speculating for months. Newcomers or those revisiting the thread I am begging you to read the first 50 - 100 pages. We got through a thousand 'as a psych student/child of a psychiatrist/retard with several made up conditions/victim of satanic molestation' comments. I guarantee your input is not as unique as you think it is and this thread is not about DID. This is about Chloe and her obvious malingering. Check out Plurals if you want to debate DID.

Anyway, I forgot how insincere her voice is when she's trying to be inspiring. This entire video is such a classic return. Why is it that her make up always makes her look so much worse? I was under the impression it was supposed to do the opposite. Lipstick that brings out the teeth, weird eye shit that makes her look even more like a bug eyed demon, over lighting to wash herself out. Season two is off to a great start with this 2/10 look. She has one of those faces you just want to cave in so it stops looking at you like that.

I'm avoiding getting too MOTI about it but I'm unsurprised she continues to push FPP.
The 'we are not mental health professionals' disclaimer actually made me laugh. Is that all she plans to address? What about LARPing a black or fucking a nonce? Pushing her Patreon was more important?
 

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Jesus Christ. I forgot how spergy this thread becomes when something is actually happening and we aren't just speculating for months. Newcomers or those revisiting the thread I am begging you to read the first 50 - 100 pages. We got through a thousand 'as a psych student/child of a psychiatrist/retard with several made up conditions/victim of satanic molestation' comments. I guarantee your input is not as unique as you think it is and this thread is not about DID. This is about Chloe and her obvious malingering. Check out Plurals if you want to debate DID.

Anyway, I forgot how insincere her voice is when she's trying to be inspiring. This entire video is such a classic return. Why is it that her make up always makes her look so much worse? I was under the impression it was supposed to do the opposite. Lipstick that brings out the teeth, weird eye shit that makes her look even more like a bug eyed demon, over lighting to wash herself out. Season two is off to a great start with this 2/10 look. She has one of those faces you just want to cave in so it stops looking at you like that.

I'm avoiding getting too MOTI about it but I'm unsurprised she continues to push FPP.
The 'we are not mental health professionals' disclaimer actually made me laugh. Is that all she plans to address? What about LARPing a black or fucking a nonce? Pushing her Patreon was more important?

Was the vote for the charity on her Patreon or was it a foregone conclusion that FPP were going to win?

They have a private forum on their website for paying members. 🤔

It’s probably not a stretch to guess that the training course Chloe triggered her way out of before demanding the certificate was one of theirs. Gotta get those credits so she can call herself an ‘expert-by-experience’.

Alongside several ESTD-UK courses involving Aquafresco, I think this one is the jewel in their crown:

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Was the vote for the charity on her Patreon or was it a foregone conclusion that FPP were going to win?

They have a private forum on their website for paying members. 🤔

It’s probably not a stretch to guess that the training course Chloe triggered her way out of before demanding the certificate was one of theirs. Gotta get those credits so she can call herself an ‘expert-by-experience’.

Alongside several ESTD-UK courses involving Aquafresco, I think this one is the jewel in their crown:

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The vote was on her Patreon - not sure whether she gave a list of options to vote on, or if it was decided solely by her Patreons. Regardless, with her level of controversy you'd think she'd want to look into the charity of choice. At best, this is just an example of performative action, some bullshit attempt to seem charitable without any research into the type of charity she's pushing.

That only proves this is coming from a brand management perspective - months of criticism goes ignored and she returns with some subtle hints about feeling unsafe but wanting to be charitable to gain sympathy. The majority of her audience have no idea where she went or why. Baby, Token, and the dyke have a fraction of her audience, and they were most vocal. Jess has a slightly larger reach but she doesn't want to get a reputation as controversial on main. So, to her audience, she is still a victim and a charitable one at that. It's a good PR move.

Anyway, I looked up May 33rd and the 'professional' who discovers the main character has DID is a fucking osteopath which is just delightfully retarded.
 

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The vote was on her Patreon - not sure whether she gave a list of options to vote on, or if it was decided solely by her Patreons. Regardless, with her level of controversy you'd think she'd want to look into the charity of choice. At best, this is just an example of performative action, some bullshit attempt to seem charitable without any research into the type of charity she's pushing.

That only proves this is coming from a brand management perspective - months of criticism goes ignored and she returns with some subtle hints about feeling unsafe but wanting to be charitable to gain sympathy. The majority of her audience have no idea where she went or why. Baby, Token, and the dyke have a fraction of her audience, and they were most vocal. Jess has a slightly larger reach but she doesn't want to get a reputation as controversial on main. So, to her audience, she is still a victim and a charitable one at that. It's a good PR move.

Anyway, I looked up May 33rd and the 'professional' who discovers the main character has DID is a fucking osteopath which is just delightfully retarded.
Sadly, Guy Hibbert ended up believing that women all over the UK were suffering from DID as a result of ritual abuse.

Plus, it made another great role for his wife.
 

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Sadly, Guy Hibbert ended up believing that women all over the UK were suffering from DID as a result of ritual abuse.

Plus, it made another great role for his wife.

It sounds no different to the Satanic Panic shit we talked about in the first few pages. Women losing years of their lives believing some shit that never happened. Ruining their relationships by making accusations. Spiralling down the mental illness rabbit hole. Chloe is just repackaging that for a new generation.

It is insane to me that no one seems to question the legitimacy of FPP when they're using resources like that to make coin. IAB seems interested in covering FPP and the SRA shit in more detail which would be interesting. I wonder if her reach has grown enough to have an impact on Chloe's subs. The algorithm seems to send them her way based on her comment section. I have an info dump I've been considering turning into a thread - the SRA community is insane - but I refuse to get Twitter or Reddit so it looks like she'll have to do her own digging. Anyway, I'll avoid derailing the thread with that but it's looking more and more like Chloe wants to align herself with the SRA crowd based on her donation so that does absolutely nothing for her credibility.
 

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It sounds no different to the Satanic Panic shit we talked about in the first few pages. Women losing years of their lives believing some shit that never happened. Ruining their relationships by making accusations. Spiralling down the mental illness rabbit hole. Chloe is just repackaging that for a new generation.

It is insane to me that no one seems to question the legitimacy of FPP when they're using resources like that to make coin. IAB seems interested in covering FPP and the SRA shit in more detail which would be interesting. I wonder if her reach has grown enough to have an impact on Chloe's subs. The algorithm seems to send them her way based on her comment section. I have an info dump I've been considering turning into a thread - the SRA community is insane - but I refuse to get Twitter or Reddit so it looks like she'll have to do her own digging. Anyway, I'll avoid derailing the thread with that but it's looking more and more like Chloe wants to align herself with the SRA crowd based on her donation so that does absolutely nothing for her credibility.
She will never openly say "I was ritually abused" (though she repeatedly hints at it again, and again, and again), because she would lose a huge chunk of her audience. Most people with brains can tell you that SRA is a twisted propaganda pushed by bible thumping christians and corrupt psychiatrists. Still, she desperately has to retain as much attention and audience as possible, so she can't openly denounce it. She can subtly support it yet keep herself enough at a distance that people will say 'oh it's just a coincidence!' or some shit like that.
 

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