Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata -

[IAmMyProject]

The phone debate was something I wanted to clear up, this is not correct. This is another part of the video that highlights to me that she’s just rattling off lazily collated google results because she doesn’t present a very nuanced understanding of things.

UK acute inpatient facilities tend to be a mixture of formal (sectioned) and informal (voluntary) patients, sometimes divided by the particular ward sometimes mixed up. Little differentiation of restricted liberties occur in these wards, and patients are allowed their phones. In fact, the NHS highlights that it is important for patients to be allowed their phones in hospital. There are of course strict rules. Patients are treated with an individual care approach, with individual risk and needs assessments, but in acute inpatient patients are normally allowed their own chargers or headphones. I agree with the NHS that phones present more benefits than risks in hospital, for example music in headphones can be really absorbing/focusing for patients in manic episodes who might otherwise be punching walls/threatening to punch people and ending up in PICU, which makes less work for the nurses. As for ligature risks, it’s more a question of having no ligature points in the facility that a patient can hang themselves from, and a patient at high risk for self harm is likely to be being monitored 1:1 (i.e. not strictly “suicide watch” as Chloe calls it, another hiccup) or is moved to a PICU ward.

Particularly disturbed, vulnerable, violent, or otherwise challenging patients can end up placed in secure/locked PICU wards (intensive care). No informal/voluntary patients in PICU. Here patients aren’t allowed phones in the evening, but they can be the rest of the time. However, once again an individual care approach is taken: if a patient is using their phone unhealthily, or using it to access inappropriate material, or calling the police out of paranoia/ not understanding why they are in a locked facility = goodbye phone. PICU is much more grim than an acute inpatient facility for obvious reasons, much less privileges/rights and inpatients that are harder to coexist alongside.


A useful document, although it has little to do with whether a patient gets sectioned or not. It’s the system for choosing the best response before more information can be acquired. For example, you could knock back a few Sertraline (more likely to cause you to shit yourself than lose consciousness), call the emergency services in distress claiming an overdose and emergency services are still likely to come to your door and deliver you to A+E. But that doesn’t mean you will be sectioned. You are more likely to be held over night in A+E in case of complications, then a quick whizz through a psychiatric evaluation and back home with a crisis team checkup call scheduled in the diary/a referral to IAPT that will probably take months to come through because let’s face it- this wasn’t really a suicide attempt, was it, and the NHS has bigger fish to fry.

I am clarifying this because I feel like Chloe or a dissociaStan might see this doc and think ‘but she talked about a close call with a suicide attempt, so she does fall into the top high risk categories.”
Just a reminder to them that a close call with a suicide attempt in real life/NHS terms doesn’t mean feeling close to suicide, or half heartedly cutting your wrist. It means somehow surviving/being found before you die as the result of (non-exhaustive list) :

- acute poisoning from drinking antifreeze/rat poison/bleach
- consuming vast quantities of benzos/antipsychotics and washing them down with a bottle of whiskey/vodka/gin
- slicing through an artery (and potentially tendons)
- ‘near hanging’
- jumping from a significant height
- crashing your car into a wall
- throwing yourself in front of a vehicle
- deliberate carbon monoxide poisoning

Recovery from this shit can differ vastly from person to person but it never looks like Chloe Wilkinson‘s shill of a YouTube channel. But we all know that anyway!



anytime.

edit: words n grammar

Thank you for clarifying! Your knowledge is impeccable.

 

[heavycream]

Comment compilation of users calling out how innacurate Chloe's 'informative video' actually is.
Glad that people can lift the veil and see that she hasn't really been inpatient - at least not at an NHS clinic. If she's talking about private services like the priory, she needs to make this clear, as 99% of her viewers (not including those outside the UK) will not find this information even remotely relevant. Not to mention that private hospitals / wards do not have standardised protocols so if she is indeed talking accurately about an experience at a private hospital then it's even more specific and irrelevant. Very misleading title.

Spoiler

 

[Sociopathic Smeghead]

I’ve got a pretty in depth understanding of how UK mental health services work and the thresholds for NHS inpatient services. It might seem like I’m confirming the obvious but there is no way Chloe has ever had to stay in an NHS acute psychiatric inpatient facility for more than a 24 hour observation period, if that. Prove me wrong and I’ll eat a copy of the DSM-5. Even more certain is that she has never been sectioned or on 2:1 suicide watch, as she heavily insinuates. 2:1 is if the patient is hell bent on killing themselves/ prone to fits/ psychotic and might be able to overpower one member of staff in their attempt to restrain the patient. Either that or one member of staff is there to restrain the patient while the other is there to inject them with promethazine or another sedative, if necessary.

I see a lot of yanks saying that if you mention suicidal thoughts to a doctor in the states you get committed for a week. Not the case here. CMHT/crisis teams will always push for outpatient treatment, even in some particularly severe cases. Outpatient care for someone in crisis is pretty comprehensive but you have to fight to get it even if you really need it and they are good at weeding out attention seekers. When you’re in the system you will have psychiatric evaluations ASAP, daily home visits from nurses or appointments on site at the hospital, and medication brought to you as they help you through your shit.

This is due in part to a serious depletion of beds, and some counties are a lot worse than others. Patients in desperate need of care are often sent miles away. I checked out (*sperged) as many of the public inpatient facilities (NHS and those who take NHS referrals) in Essex as I could, and although there are a fair number many are specialised- forensic, PICU, personality disorders, step down houses, those that solely take on sectioned inpatients, minors, The number of beds in acute adult inpatient facilities across Essex (for those who aren’t sectioned) seems to be low, as expected.

Only the most severely unwell patients (psychotic, violent, manic, close to starvation, severely or catatonically depressed, hell bent and I mean hell bent on suicide) for whom outpatient treatment is not an option (unstable or unsafe home environment, family can’t cope, living alone in filth) end up sectioned/offered voluntary inpatient care.

BUT there is a conceited smugness about how she presents this video, and I don’t think she’s stupid enough to outright lie. Saying you’ve been hospitalised for mental health problems when you haven’t is a very big, embarrassing lie that is a lot more easily disproven than her general malingering. Were her parents or close friends to see this video they would know she was lying too. Speculation in spoiler below.

Chloe is likely expecting her critics to disbelieve her, and I suspect she has a ‘gotcha’ card. She might never flash it, but it would explain the smugness. It’s entirely possible that Chloe may have had some kind of private inpatient stay, but she would not want to reveal that to her audience. That’s because she likely considers an NHS inpatient stay to be the Gold Standard of mentally ill as you have to be pretty fucked to end up in one for any amount of time and she wants people to think that’s where she was. Private psychiatric hospitals have no such threshold, and are reserved for the very wealthy, which would mean Chloe’s hypothetical stay would likely have to have been funded by her loaded Dad (comrade I remember you informing us of this unsurprising information). When it comes to private hospitals in the UK : if you can pay, you can stay. They will find a reason to take you if you want to go.

(There is a Priory private hospital in Chelmsford, Essex. Just saying.)

The other ‘gotcha card’ she might have is more pathetic. It’s extremely unlikely but she might just have pulled out every trick in the book and spooked a crisis team/A+E staff member via some highly strung performance featuring her rants about her paedophile fiancé and internet stalkers, leading them to conclude that she might be psychotic/experiencing paranoia and consider it worthwhile to hold her under observation for a night. Chloe has had a few fruitless run ins with the NHS already and she harvests info from other people’s mental health tales in Facebook groups- it’s unlikely but possible that she got her performance right this time. However once in hospital her cover would’ve been blown quickly and she’d have been politely booted. More pathetic still, her so called IRL ‘experience’ of psychiatric hospital might only have been from brief encounters with the inside of an inpatient facility when going in for crisis team appointments, which is where they are normally based. Which is not the same thing, Chloe.

There is plenty more to be said about the general misguided ness, the bits she leaves out that shows how she doesn’t know what she’s talking about, the fact she doesn’t mention the NHS throughout despite claiming to know ‘how things are down here’, ‘in Essex’ which I think is another hint at her never having been in a public facility... but I’m done sperging for now.

eta: scuse the edits im a retard who forgot how to customise spoiler headings + grammar

I was going to add my two cents but this is pretty much 100% it.
The Adult Mental Health Service, CMHT and whoever the hell else do not have the beds for someone to voluntarily admit themselves anywhere, that includes psychiatric wards and A&E. People are literally dying on the streets and in stretchers outside of hospitals because it takes ambulances 12 hours to get to you. The NHS is being ripped apart at the seams, and there is no space for a person like Chloe to get help, even if she wasn't a LARP'er and truly needed it.
At best, had she gone to A&E and threatened to kill herself (or had "attempted" suicide) she would have been put on a ward until AMHT could see her the next morning, then sent home on an intensive discharge plan. And again, that's the strategy for some of the worst patients who literally mutilate themselves and live in fantasy land on a daily basis, not people like Chloe who need constant attention from made up disorders. Usually, it's a case of talking to the crisis team and being told to fuck off because the waiting lists for seeing professional help are so long.
The only people who make it into an inpatient unit are those who are a danger to others and those who can afford private healthcare (or get the NHS to pay for a bed in the Priory).
Other than that, you're left to die. After all, people are replaceable, unfortunately.
Chloe lies.

 

[undefined]

Another thing worth mentioning is that coronavirus restrictions made things even tighter than they were before- in any case where crisis teams could ‘bring the hospital to home’ between March and summer, they did, because were you to be admitted during the lockdown period you couldn’t have visitors or leave or things brought in for you, as far as I know.
I think Chloe is guilt-flexing that she was hospitalised at some point during the Nan aftermath, which aligns with the UK going into lockdown and covid policy being applied to mental health facilities.

 

[heavycream]

Another thing worth mentioning is that coronavirus restrictions made things even tighter than they were before- in any case where crisis teams could ‘bring the hospital to home’ between March and summer, they did, because were you to be admitted during the lockdown period you couldn’t have visitors or leave or things brought in for you, as far as I know.
I think Chloe is guilt-flexing that she was hospitalised at some point during the Nan aftermath, which aligns with the UK going into lockdown and covid policy being applied to mental health facilities.

At the moment visitation is still allowed in most NHS wards but for much fewer hours and only one visitor. I'm not sure about bringing in belongings for the patient though.

 

[undefined]

At the moment visitation is still allowed in most NHS wards but for much fewer hours and only one visitor. I'm not sure about bringing in belongings for the patient though.

That is generally the case now yes, although I can think of a couple of hospitals that have been completely closed off to visitors (unless you’re literally about to die) inc. their mental health wards since lockdown 2.0 began, and these suspended visitation from March-June also. Perhaps these are just particularly brutal.

 

[comrade666]

We've already seen her admit that she threatened suicide to guilt her critics into silence. This vague hinting that her condition has been so serious as to land her on a ward is exactly the same but she's being extremely careful not to say she was actually inpatient. She knows how closely people are watching her now. I think she's waiting for the opportunity to come out and say actually, I never said I was inpatient. She'd love a gotcha moment - look how quickly she spoke out when we got the wrong date of death for her Grandfather, but equally look at how silent she has been on the rest. She latches on to the moments she can defend herself and they're always trivial details. But to someone not paying attention to the bigger picture it looks like she is being attacked needlessly and has an answer for everything. I'm holding out for her to come out with a smug statement on how the video was just supposed to be educational.

I was digging around in the unsorted archive I have on Chloe and I rediscovered this from her Inside My Diary video - archived under a spoiler in the OP. These are the goals she set out to achieve with her channel. Interesting to note that they are all attention or money orientated. Personally, I would love to see a book from her. It would be the most outlandish bullshit you've ever read and all in print - she couldn't take that back later and you know she'd double down on some of those SRA hints. She couldn't resist.
Another point worthy of note; Inside My Diary was posted before the DID sleepover. It was posted 12 August 2018. The sleepover was 15 March 2019. Bobo was right - Chloe was scheming by getting herself invited. A collaboration was fourth on the list.
I'm also curious as to what she felt she could offer a university. She claims she has never put herself forward as an academic or professional. So what would her value be?

 

[Lieileen]

We've already seen her admit that she threatened suicide to guilt her critics into silence. This vague hinting that her condition has been so serious as to land her on a ward is exactly the same but she's being extremely careful not to say she was actually inpatient. She knows how closely people are watching her now. I think she's waiting for the opportunity to come out and say actually, I never said I was inpatient. She'd love a gotcha moment - look how quickly she spoke out when we got the wrong date of death for her Grandfather, but equally look at how silent she has been on the rest. She latches on to the moments she can defend herself and they're always trivial details. But to someone not paying attention to the bigger picture it looks like she is being attacked needlessly and has an answer for everything. I'm holding out for her to come out with a smug statement on how the video was just supposed to be educational.

I was digging around in the unsorted archive I have on Chloe and I rediscovered this from her Inside My Diary video - archived under a spoiler in the OP. These are the goals she set out to achieve with her channel. Interesting to note that they are all attention or money orientated. Personally, I would love to see a book from her. It would be the most outlandish bullshit you've ever read and all in print - she couldn't take that back later and you know she'd double down on some of those SRA hints. She couldn't resist.
Another point worthy of note; Inside My Diary was posted before the DID sleepover. It was posted 12 August 2018. The sleepover was 15 March 2019. Bobo was right - Chloe was scheming by getting herself invited. A collaboration was fourth on the list.
I'm also curious as to what she felt she could offer a university. She claims she has never put herself forward as an academic or professional. So what would her value be?

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Have you not been listening to FPP?

They’re Experts-By-Experience!

I would have thought Kathryn + Melanie + Oriel makes more than three but maybe I’m just becoming too tolerant these days.

Spoiler: Side Lol at Mike Lloyd

 

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I feel a certain amount of second hand embarrassment for the mental health ‘professionals’ who give Chloe the thumbs up on YouTube- yet another guy with a therapy qualification who thinks he’s a psychologist (your certificate doesn’t mean jack my dude) has made a rather sycophantic video about our Chlo, most likely motivated by the secondhand views he’ll pull in. Hardly news but does amuse.

I think she's waiting for the opportunity to come out and say actually, I never said I was inpatient.

I'm holding out for her to come out with a smug statement on how the video was just supposed to be educational.

I don’t know if she’s going to do that, there would be one hell of a backlash from her audience who have lapped up the subtle subtext, and people who actually have been hospitalised.

Personally my favourite subtle hint throughout the whole thing is the thumbnail of her face surrounded by the words
COMMITTED TO A MENTAL HOSPITAL

 

[Adala]

Btw, anyone noticed this? A sponsored video again.
I know what her simps would say: She has to survive. & What's wrong with it?
But really, is she able to do something what isn't a business?
What is this Meditopia?

I didn't watch this video because I couldn't stand the cringe. But there is an older video of hers. She starts speaking about the different types of therapias and then the video suddenly becomes a BetterHelp advertisement.
Can you imagine that you watch a video to get some help and then you get this ?
https://youtu.be/5RmPfbit4_Y

Another topic. I didn't believe she tried to commit suicide. I mean, maybe she swam again in a lake to get attention, that's it.

 

[heavycream]

Is this comment BS? I don't think Chloe has ever said that she was involuntarily committed 10 times.

PS Even more words have seemingly been blacklisted from her channel, from r/dissociaDID. However, I can no longer find either comment on the most recent video and I don't fully trust that these reddit users aren't deleting them themselves.

 

[undefined]

Is this comment BS? I don't think Chloe has ever said that she was involuntarily committed 10 times.

Complete bull

 

[CatHatter]

Complete bull

Just like this new post

Just like this new post

How i actually read it

 

[KEY]

Buy her SIMP shirts to help pay for her meds.

 

[beboper]

Hi, does anyone remember that reddit thread on Team Pinata a couple years ago.
Where her ex best friend commented some stuff about them?
I cannot find the reddit thread for the life of me, i'm almost certain it's been deleted but I remember it had the usernames of TPs friends and stuff who were willing to talk to people online and expose TP and just thought it would be interesting if anyone has heard from him.

 

[Catswithbenefits]

Hi, does anyone remember that reddit thread on Team Pinata a couple years ago.
Where her ex best friend commented some stuff about them?
I cannot find the reddit thread for the life of me, i'm almost certain it's been deleted but I remember it had the usernames of TPs friends and stuff who were willing to talk to people online and expose TP and just thought it would be interesting if anyone has heard from him.

R/DissociaDiscourse did an AMA with him twice recently. It’s like a dozen pages back or so

 

[beboper]

R/DissociaDiscourse did an AMA with him twice recently. It’s like a dozen pages back or so

that's really interesting. He's always talked about how Nan was manipulative and gaslighty.
I followed TP and Nin for a while because it was interesting to me how these people could just lie so blatantly and people fell for their bullshit.
Only the last day or so caught up on all this, though not surprised because in that reddit post from a couple years ago as far as I remember there was talk about TP being pretty sketchy.
Nice to know there has been an update since though, ty!

 

[LobsterClawsForBreakfast]

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How difficult it must be to upload the lOnGeSt BlOoPeR rEeL eVeR when you only ever uploaded one or two in the first place.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I’ve got a pretty in depth understanding of how UK mental health services work and the thresholds for NHS inpatient services. It might seem like I’m confirming the obvious but there is no way Chloe has ever had to stay in an NHS acute psychiatric inpatient facility for more than a 24 hour observation period, if that. Prove me wrong and I’ll eat a copy of the DSM-5. Even more certain is that she has never been sectioned or on 2:1 suicide watch, as she heavily insinuates. 2:1 is if the patient is hell bent on killing themselves/ prone to fits/ psychotic and might be able to overpower one member of staff in their attempt to restrain the patient. Either that or one member of staff is there to restrain the patient while the other is there to inject them with promethazine or another sedative, if necessary.

I see a lot of yanks saying that if you mention suicidal thoughts to a doctor in the states you get committed for a week. Not the case here. CMHT/crisis teams will always push for outpatient treatment, even in some particularly severe cases. Outpatient care for someone in crisis is pretty comprehensive but you have to fight to get it even if you really need it and they are good at weeding out attention seekers. When you’re in the system you will have psychiatric evaluations ASAP, daily home visits from nurses or appointments on site at the hospital, and medication brought to you as they help you through your shit.

This is due in part to a serious depletion of beds, and some counties are a lot worse than others. Patients in desperate need of care are often sent miles away. I checked out (*sperged) as many of the public inpatient facilities (NHS and those who take NHS referrals) in Essex as I could, and although there are a fair number many are specialised- forensic, PICU, personality disorders, step down houses, those that solely take on sectioned inpatients, minors, The number of beds in acute adult inpatient facilities across Essex (for those who aren’t sectioned

Thanks for clarifying all this I work in the states where if you are voluntariliy or involunarily commited its a required 72 hour hold, which usually extends to a week.

 

[SpectreWraith]

Well it is nice there's new videos to pick apart. It was getting stale with just constant speculation. Ah Chloe, the gift that keeps on giving!