Chris and gender issues -

[Furina]

I'm still not convinced Chris is actually gay. He might have repressed homosexual thoughts and overreacts to them by screaming I'M STRAIGHT at anyone who dares suggest otherwise. This doesn't necessarily mean he's trying to run away from some latent homosexuality. He's just a child, basically. I doubt Chris has any real sexuality apart from a warped view that it makes one a "big boy".

Had Chris been raised in a home or even by competent parents, he'd probably be asexual, more interested in his vidya than in acquiring a sweetheart. He wants to be an adult, but he's not. He's a child and will always be a child.

 

[dudeofallteenages]

I don't think he's gay but I also don't think that he fully knows himself or his sexuality enough to say for sure either. I'd say that because he has the mind of a child he just based his sexuality on social norms and what he saw in the media.

 

[Stuff and Things]

ChurchOfGodBear hits the nail on the head as far as Chris' gender issues. However, I think COGB is wrong about Chris' sexuality. I don't believe Chris has had homosexual fantasies or thoughts. I think that Chris' disgust for men is genuine. He trained himself to be disgusted by men. Chris probably developed these feelings because of things like society, culture, maybe kids calling him gay as an insult? and obviously trolling. Hell, I bet the larger chunk of his homophobia we're thinking about didn't exist before the trolling.

Well, i'd say that he doesn't have homoerotic fantasies because, as you said, he's disgusted by men, so, he wouldn't want to date or being with another guy, but i would say that he wants to... "feel like a woman" not saying that he wants to be a woman, or that he identifies himself as a woman, but, just as COGB said, he doesn't understand gender roles, or sexuality, or anything like that...

 

[Anchuent Christory]

considering his extreme, unhealthy attachment to his mother

Chris would drop Barb like a radioactive scorpion if a sweetheart appeared at his door to whisk him away. He's attached to Barb because she's all he has, and the fact he has no choice.

But, at any rate, I feel like having Barb as a mother could easily result in a person having a seriously weird concept of/relationship with femininity.

You're not wrong there, having Barb as a mother is arguably the biggest contributor to Chris being the all-round emotionally mature person (his words) he is today.

 

[Very Honest Content]

He's a bisexual who is attracted to traditional femininity. The theory about all males being JERKS causing him to want to be a female doesn't hold up for me because Chris always makes the exceptions to the truisms he lives by that are most convenient to himself first and foremost, so all brute male JERKS exhibit these bad attributes EXCEPT for himself and his father and George Bush and Barrack Obama and Red Skelton and so on and so forth. Going tomgirl to me exhibits his autistic version of throwing up his hands in the air due to frustration over his lack of Ongoing Sweetheart Search success and trying a completely new line of attack towards completion of the same goal. Except of course, it's not a new line, just a new outfit attempting to employ the same techniques and locations for attraction.

When finally listens to the last Pokeflute requiem and shuffles off to the great vidya system in the sky, I predict he'll finally have the nasty transsexual hooker switch sex he's always not-so-secretly really craved and then we'll see some real Facebook fireworks, or at least I'll see them when Marvin's friend gets around to leaking them for us out of the loop Christorians.

 

[Marvin]

He's a bisexual who is attracted to traditional femininity.

See, I don't think that's possible. Chris is very strongly disgusted by men, so I don't think it's possible for him to be homosexual or bisexual.

 

[Very Honest Content]

See, I don't think that's possible. Chris is very strongly disgusted by men, so I don't think it's possible for him to be homosexual or bisexual.

He hit on Bailey Jay, Marvin, thus showing that it's not the genitals that disgust him, it's the appearance of masculinity. I stand by the assertion he's a bisexual who is attracted to traditional femininity. The disgust he continually preaches he experiences is a conditioned response from his upbringing. His idea of anal sex with a woman is getting pegged by her. A purely heterosexual male gets to that idea last if he gets to that idea at all when you talk about the act with him.

Of course I've said I thought Bob was bisexual on the down low too so you have to take into account I might be overestimating the level of same sex attraction in that genetic line, but it takes more than what Chris, a hypocrite in so many other areas of his life after all, is saying for me to accept his claims about his sexuality as being the sum of just what is coming out of his mouth or off the keyboard on the issue.

(ETA: HONOR ROLL level English grammar.)

 

[Marvin]

See, I don't think that's possible. Chris is very strongly disgusted by men, so I don't think it's possible for him to be homosexual or bisexual.

He hit on Bailey Jay, Marvin, thus showing that it's not the genitals that disgust him, it's the appearance of masculinity.

He hit on Bailey Jay, but he asked her if she was willing to get her dick cut off.

 

[Uzumaki]

See, I don't think that's possible. Chris is very strongly disgusted by men, so I don't think it's possible for him to be homosexual or bisexual.

He hit on Bailey Jay, Marvin, thus showing that it's not the genitals that disgust him, it's the appearance of masculinity.

He hit on Bailey Jay, but he asked her if she was willing to get her dick cut off.

I'm clearly way late to the party but: when was this? Anyone have a Cwciki link?

 

[Marvin]

He hit on Bailey Jay, Marvin, thus showing that it's not the genitals that disgust him, it's the appearance of masculinity.

He hit on Bailey Jay, but he asked her if she was willing to get her dick cut off.

I'm clearly way late to the party but: when was this? Anyone have a Cwciki link?

http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Mailbag_25 ... _a_trap.21 And then there are some ones in later mailbags.

 

[Stuff and Things]

See, I don't think that's possible. Chris is very strongly disgusted by men, so I don't think it's possible for him to be homosexual or bisexual.

He hit on Bailey Jay, Marvin, thus showing that it's not the genitals that disgust him, it's the appearance of masculinity.

He hit on Bailey Jay, but he asked her if she was willing to get her dick cut off.

He used a dildo during some time, even with a condom on it... now, technically that isn't gay, but, what kind of homophobic STRAIGHT man, that is terrified by gays would do that? the answer is: a lot of hypocritical homophobic guys do that... chris hates the masculine body, that's a fact, but, maybe he wants to... "feel" what most women "can feel"?? that's why he was always fantasasing performing sex using female sexual poses, like cowgirl and scissoring?? or, maybe it's all lack of empathy, he doesn't understand women, he doesn't understand men, he doesn't understand gay people, and that's why he's making up those sexual identities like the tomgirl shit...

 

[Marvin]

He hit on Bailey Jay, Marvin, thus showing that it's not the genitals that disgust him, it's the appearance of masculinity.

He hit on Bailey Jay, but he asked her if she was willing to get her dick cut off.

He used a dildo during some time, even with a condom on it... now, technically that isn't gay, but, what kind of homophobic STRAIGHT man, that is terrified by gays would do that? the answer is: a lot of hypocritical homophobic guys do that... chris hates the masculine body, that's a fact, but, maybe he wants to... "feel" what most women "can feel"?? that's why he was always fantasasing performing sex using female sexual poses, like cowgirl and scissoring?? or, maybe it's all lack of empathy, he doesn't understand women, he doesn't understand men, he doesn't understand gay people, and that's why he's making up those sexual identities like the tomgirl shit...

Yeah, but the dildo wasn't anything he enjoyed or continued. Plus, like I said, his homophobia got stronger and stronger. I don't know if he was necessarily terrified of gays back then, like he is now.

 

[Very Honest Content]

He hit on Bailey Jay, but he asked her if she was willing to get her dick cut off.

LET'S GO TO THE MAILBAG REPLAY!

"I apologize for my recent response, and I can relate to how you feel. Sometimes, I wonder what my life would be like if I was born female instead, because of some of my emotional, caring, self-conscious thoughts I had in my lifetime. Then I would later remember that God must have made me all straight male for good reasons.

. . .

If I may ask, and you may answer in a reply directly to my e-mail address at ChrisChanSonichu@aol.com, is modeling the only thing you are famous for online, or are there other things you have done and published? And have you ever considered having the male appendage removed (please forgive me if I'm crossing a line)? "

So my dear fellow Watchmen aficionado, I'm going to have to say he asked if they had considered having the reassignment surgery, not if Bailey would so they could be heart-sweets together then AND ONLY then. Plus the parenthetical begging of forgiveness that immediately follows it reads to me that Chris didn't want to offend a potential fuck quest candidate to the point of scaring them off. But again, I'm probably biased somewhat in that reading for reasons I detailed above.

 

[Naxra]

See, I don't think that's possible. Chris is very strongly disgusted by men, so I don't think it's possible for him to be homosexual or bisexual.

He hit on Bailey Jay, Marvin, thus showing that it's not the genitals that disgust him, it's the appearance of masculinity. I stand by the assertion he's a bisexual who is attracted to traditional femininity. The disgust he continually preaches he experiences is a conditioned response from his upbringing. His idea of anal sex with a woman is getting pegged by her. A purely heterosexual male gets to that idea last if he gets to that idea at all when you talk about the act with him.

Of course I've said I thought Bob was bisexual on the down low too so you have to take into account I might be overestimating the level of same sex attraction in that genetic line, but it takes more than what Chris, a hypocrite in so many other areas of his life after all, is saying for me to accept his claims about his sexuality as being the sum of just what is coming out of his mouth or off the keyboard on the issue.

(ETA: HONOR ROLL level English grammar.)

What's the bolded about? Where did that come from!?

 

[Very Honest Content]

Of course I've said I thought Bob was bisexual on the down low too so you have to take into account I might be overestimating the level of same sex attraction in that genetic line,

What's the bolded about? Where did that come from!?

I've theorized, with no proof at all of course (thus the theory part of the statement) that Chris picked up these bisexual to gay tendencies (Mary Poppins being his favorite movie, love of female targeted cartoons like My Little Pony, his affinity for females in general and the adoption of Tomgirlism along with the topics discussed in this thread amongst other things) from his own father. Bob was a Texas born, Alabama educated military guy. But he lost his virginity reportedly at a pretty mature age, listened to jazz, enjoyed gardening, swinging on a swing in his lawn, slept in a different bed than his second wife for years, basically dated, for all intents and purposes, a Korean pastor in his later days for breakfast at Burger King regularly, and in general was the opposite of what a man from his era raised in the deep south and educated in a segregationist part of the country would usually be stereotyped as if he was purely heterosexual. Taken individually a lot of these things don't raise an eyebrow, but add them all together and the amount of sugar in Bob's tank starts to seem very less salty and much more sweet to me.

Again, it's just a theory and there's no smoking gun amounting of pictures of Bob in his war barracks paying a cross-dressed teenage Korean boy to dance seductively for MRE's or anything like that I know of floating around, but the circumstantial evidence convinces me the possibility is definitely in play.

 

[Kosher Dill]

slept in a different bed than his second wife for years

Consider who his second wife was.

 

[Naxra]

But he... listened to jazz...

Interesting theory, but wasn't jazz, or at least a lighter, less improvised version of it, basically the pop music of Bob's era? Why would that make him gay/bisexual?

 

[Very Honest Content]

But he... listened to jazz...

Interesting theory, but wasn't jazz, or at least a lighter, less improvised version of it, basically the pop music of Bob's era? Why would that make him gay/bisexual?

Ever been on campus of Auburn University? Ever been to the plains of Alabama? Ever rode a DeLorean 88 miles per hour into the past to arrive in the 50's and then turned on the radio there? If not, you wouldn't find a bunch of white guys jamming to the sweet, sultry sounds of the Jazz era. Elvis, probably, Jazz with the nigo's playing it? Not so much. Like I said, any one of these and other circumstantial facts about Bob Chandler, taken by themselves, doesn't make me think he had the tendencies, but taken as a whole and compared to the other people born in his era of the 30's and who lived similar lives as he did in his younger days, makes me wonder just where Chris got such effeminate male mannerisms and tendencies to model and the likeliest candidate is his father who embodied a lot of his generations' more light in the loafers stereotypes.

 

[GFYS]

I've theorized, with no proof at all of course (thus the theory part of the statement) that Chris picked up these bisexual to gay tendencies (Mary Poppins being his favorite movie, love of female targeted cartoons like My Little Pony, his affinity for females in general and the adoption of Tomgirlism along with the topics discussed in this thread amongst other things) from his own father. Bob was a Texas born, Alabama educated military guy. But he lost his virginity reportedly at a pretty mature age, listened to jazz, enjoyed gardening, swinging on a swing in his lawn, slept in a different bed than his second wife for years, basically dated, for all intents and purposes, a Korean pastor in his later days for breakfast at Burger King regularly, and in general was the opposite of what a man from his era raised in the deep south and educated in a segregationist part of the country would usually be stereotyped as if he was purely heterosexual. Taken individually a lot of these things don't raise an eyebrow, but add them all together and the amount of sugar in Bob's tank starts to seem very less salty and much more sweet to me.

W... Wow. I just... Shit, you might be on to something dere. Mind =

 

[LocalFireDept]

I'm sure everyone else has theorized this but given Chris's pretty linear way of thinking, the LEGO in his head probably fit together like this:

>I want a sweetheart
>Sweetheart must be a boyfriend-free girl not taken by a JERK
>Most boyfriend-free girls say they are lesbians (Anna) or "not interested in a realtionship" (Megan)
>I can get the former girl if I become a girl
>Become tomgirl
>Acquire sweet, sweet china

This is assuming that Anna isn't the only one that used that excuse. For Chris it covers all the bases, he figures he can get a girl that he normally couldn't and he can still claim he's STRAIGHT since he'd do it with a girl. Realizing he could get attention and gender-fluid asspats is probably just the extra BOLDY SPICY! sauce on the chicken.

Then again, maybe our OPL could surprise us by having a bit more depth than that. I guess the only way we could know is if someone asked him up front: "Hey, you're a girl right? You want a girlfriend-free boy like me to be your joyboy? " and gauge his reaction.