Chris, the Movie Business, and "Dating Education"

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Alec Benson Leary said:
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That's a possibility, but a big part of it also might be how you tell him things. It's not like the only two options are yelling at Chris to get a job or blowing smoke up his ass.
Chris tends to think it's one or the other. If you're not telling him nice things, then you're being mean.
I don't know if that's still the case. Since Bob died, Chris has been a lot more willing to blame himself for his problems. He's still extremely childish and you still run the risk of pissing him off, but I think there's a lot better chance of him getting help if he could talk to a legitimate shrink. And not, y'know, Rocky.
 

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i guess that's why he moved megan into the troll conspiracy since she told him off

I think that's more Bob's influence. He was the one who said "that German girl" was responsible for all the trolling.
 

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i guess that's why he moved megan into the troll conspiracy since she told him off

I think that's more Bob's influence. He was the one who said "that German girl" was responsible for all the trolling.


i would say yes and no to that. he probably had a low opinion of her because she helped rack up chris's credit card debt. if chris never interacted with her in such a way and then probably told bob that the two were an item and then cried and complained when she cut off communication, bob wouldn't even had known she existed. i think that bob's own judgement of her came from the fact that she was "hurting" his son and therefore chris's current conspiracy theory was brought on by what bob would say to him to console him.
 

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I think a very well practiced mental health professional (or con artist) would be able to convince him to open up, and could at least provide some avenue for introspection, self discovery, or - at the very least - social interaction. And, with enough care, I think someone could get Chris to listen to some possible solutions to improve himself. Where it all falls apart is Chris' refusal to put forth any meaningful effort. At most, he might make a token gesture, but he'd never progress beyond the point that challenges his comfort zone in a meaningful way.

Giving Rocky the full benefit of the doubt, maybe she has been giving him sound advice; yet does so in such a Ned Flanders passive manner, that Chris is never motivated/challenged to take it to heart. So, at best, I don't think she's actively sabotaging Chris; rather Chris may be taking advantage of her passivity. Personally, I think that's giving her too much credit, but I'm a glass half full of moose piss kind of person.

I hear hints, now and then, that the congregation has grown increasingly tired of Chris' antics (personally, I'd have excommunicated him after the Wallflower incident, seeing as how they're at least partly responsible for setting her up with her abuser). I think it'd be interesting to be able to confirm more of this, along with Rocky's own opinion about the troubles the Chandlers have brought upon them.
 

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Giving Rocky the full benefit of the doubt, maybe she has been giving him sound advice; yet does so in such a Ned Flanders passive manner, that Chris is never motivated/challenged to take it to heart. So, at best, I don't think she's actively sabotaging Chris; rather Chris may be taking advantage of her passivity. Personally, I think that's giving her too much credit, but I'm a glass half full of moose piss kind of person.
No, Rocky isn't doing anything. If she was a doctor or a shrink, I'd accuse her of being medically negligent.
 

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Marvin said:
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Giving Rocky the full benefit of the doubt, maybe she has been giving him sound advice; yet does so in such a Ned Flanders passive manner, that Chris is never motivated/challenged to take it to heart. So, at best, I don't think she's actively sabotaging Chris; rather Chris may be taking advantage of her passivity. Personally, I think that's giving her too much credit, but I'm a glass half full of moose piss kind of person.
No, Rocky isn't doing anything. If she was a doctor or a shrink, I'd accuse her of being medically negligent.
Is every authority figure in Chris' life lazy or incompetent?
 

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Saney said:
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Giving Rocky the full benefit of the doubt, maybe she has been giving him sound advice; yet does so in such a Ned Flanders passive manner, that Chris is never motivated/challenged to take it to heart. So, at best, I don't think she's actively sabotaging Chris; rather Chris may be taking advantage of her passivity. Personally, I think that's giving her too much credit, but I'm a glass half full of moose piss kind of person.
No, Rocky isn't doing anything. If she was a doctor or a shrink, I'd accuse her of being medically negligent.
Is every authority figure in Chris' life lazy or incompetent?
Well, he's not really an authority figure, but Rob Bell was a pretty great lawyer. He did a great job defending the Chandlers.

Bob was great, but he's dead now.

Otherwise, yeah, they probably are.
 

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Is every authority figure in Chris' life lazy or incompetent?
Well, he's not really an authority figure, but Rob Bell was a pretty great lawyer. He did a great job defending the Chandlers.

Bob was great, but he's dead now.

Otherwise, yeah, they probably are.

To say Bob was a good authority figure is essentially the same as saying Dr. Frankenstein was good at keeping his ungodly creation locked in the dungeon: true, it's safe in the dungeon, but he created the monster (and its attendant headaches) in the first place.

Don' forget Mary Lee Walsh.
 

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Saney said:
Marvin said:
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Giving Rocky the full benefit of the doubt, maybe she has been giving him sound advice; yet does so in such a Ned Flanders passive manner, that Chris is never motivated/challenged to take it to heart. So, at best, I don't think she's actively sabotaging Chris; rather Chris may be taking advantage of her passivity. Personally, I think that's giving her too much credit, but I'm a glass half full of moose piss kind of person.
No, Rocky isn't doing anything. If she was a doctor or a shrink, I'd accuse her of being medically negligent.
Is every authority figure in Chris' life lazy or incompetent?


Brother, it seems that way. The Hulkster thinks that is part of what makes Chris act the way he has though. You see, brother, ones surroundings makes a great difference in what a person will act like. Take the Hulkster, for example. The Hulkster trains, says his prayers and eats his vitamins. The Hulkster also spends his time with his family and good friend Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake. This means that the Hulkster has good influences, which helps lead to the Hulkster being a Real American, man. Chris, on the other hand, is surrounded by incompetence. Chris is lazy, boring and has a terrible work ethic, man, which is influenced by the people in his life (Bob with the tugboat teaching him not to work and Barb with her coddling). The Hulkster was never coddled, dude. The Hulkster takes life like a man. If something bad happens, the Hulkster takes a stand and doesn't hide.
 

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Marvin said:
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Giving Rocky the full benefit of the doubt, maybe she has been giving him sound advice; yet does so in such a Ned Flanders passive manner, that Chris is never motivated/challenged to take it to heart. So, at best, I don't think she's actively sabotaging Chris; rather Chris may be taking advantage of her passivity. Personally, I think that's giving her too much credit, but I'm a glass half full of moose piss kind of person.
No, Rocky isn't doing anything. If she was a doctor or a shrink, I'd accuse her of being medically negligent.


yeah isn't she just literally someone hired by the church to just listen to people? the wikipedia article is kinda vague on pastoral counseling. it sounds like she's pretty much a minister with some psychological training. not someone who would ever count as a real therapist. but hey, she's free so that probably is the only thing that fits the chandler's budget. as long as there is the illusion of something being done, it's enough for barb and chris to delude themselves into thinking he's getting help.
 

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Don't use romance movies as guides.

Judging your love life by the standards of romantic comedies is as dumb as judging your sex life by the standards of porn.

Oops, i do this or at least i used to haha not saying i'm a casanova or anything though.
 

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Giving Rocky the full benefit of the doubt, maybe she has been giving him sound advice; yet does so in such a Ned Flanders passive manner, that Chris is never motivated/challenged to take it to heart. So, at best, I don't think she's actively sabotaging Chris; rather Chris may be taking advantage of her passivity. Personally, I think that's giving her too much credit, but I'm a glass half full of moose piss kind of person.
No, Rocky isn't doing anything. If she was a doctor or a shrink, I'd accuse her of being medically negligent.


yeah isn't she just literally someone hired by the church to just listen to people? the wikipedia article is kinda vague on pastoral counseling. it sounds like she's pretty much a minister with some psychological training. not someone who would ever count as a real therapist. but hey, she's free so that probably is the only thing that fits the chandler's budget. as long as there is the illusion of something being done, it's enough for barb and chris to delude themselves into thinking he's getting help.
Oh, I don't expect her to help Chris change. But Chris has serious enough problems that she has both a moral and occupational duty to refer Chris to genuine counseling. She is not a doctor and doesn't have a medical degree, but she still had to go through enough training to recognize that Chris has serious problems she can't help him with and she needs to refer him to someone who can.

I'm not talking about the stupid shit Chris does on the internet. I'm talking about his real, daily problems that he's telling her about.
 

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I'm not talking about the stupid shit Chris does on the internet. I'm talking about his real, daily problems that he's telling her about.

Just his general loneliness and resent taking care of Barb or is there more than just that?

EDIT- As for the topic at hand it comes down to two things.
1- He looks towards the wrong movies. The general rom coms are NOT where ya go to when it comes to wooing a woman. Quite frankly they are popcorn entertainment, they're not going to talk about the human condition much less how to romance a woman realistically.

2- While I believe you can have life lessons/epiphanies watching a film Chris doesn't get things like subtlety. He needs things at face value or he'll completely miss it.
 

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DrChristianTroy said:
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I'm not talking about the stupid shit Chris does on the internet. I'm talking about his real, daily problems that he's telling her about.

Just his general loneliness and resent taking care of Barb or is there more than just that?


maybe that's the best she can do, keep him from becoming a complete psychopath
 

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DrChristianTroy said:
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I'm not talking about the stupid shit Chris does on the internet. I'm talking about his real, daily problems that he's telling her about.

Just his general loneliness and resent taking care of Barb or is there more than just that?
Well, I guess "problems" is the wrong way to describe it because problems might imply specific things like having debts or something like that. They're more abstract and emotional. So yeah, loneliness, but he's also feeling pretty shitty about his life in general.
 
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