Christopher Hitchens - Free Speech (2006) -

[garakfan69]

That while it's important to remember that the right can be threaten free speech, they aren't currently nor have they to the degree of deplatforming Alex Jones or the President.
Stroking yourself off for the realization that they both have shitty aspects is tired and gay, especially when the above is happening and continues to happen.

Yet things like Section 230 are under attack by both Democrats and Republicans.
When it comes to fucking you over both parties can't agree hard enough and the differences of both parties are extremely overblown by the media.

Making free speech a partisan issue just ensures that half the people will strongly disagree with it. And this divisiveness will get exploited to erode your civil liberties even more.

 

[WolfeTone]

I wonder, at times, why there was such a huge wave of anti-religious sentiment cropping up around the 90s and moving forward. Are we becoming more advanced? Clearly, every advancement made since 1992 seems to have taken us backwards. The more we stamp out religion, the more we stamp out what we perceive as the enemy, the more room gets made for what we see today.

Ofcourse the few balls the man is juggling look good, freedom of speech is obviously one of the greatest tools in the arsenal of those who wish men to be soldiers as opposed to slaves. But that's all I see here, the same libertarian argument made 5000 times over, and swallowed up by those with so much potential, to satiate them as the real knowledge swims by.

Also we really gotta stop committing religious genocides while preaching about how bad religion is, there's nothing moral or holy about what we did to Ghaddafi.

My nigga says we need "bigger frontal lobes" to be smarter, when brain size isn't even an indicator of intelligence. Big brain nibba hours. How bout not contradicting yourself on the issue of freedom of speech when it comes to religious people making you uncomfortable with their 'allahuakbars'.

 

[KateHikes14]

Both sides push their "free speech" narrative entirely which is why pushing "free speech" feels so tiresome in 2021.

A lot of people on the left push it for "don't be an asshole and respect trans people whatever", and a lot of people on the right push it for "my favorite conspiracy theorist shouldn't be banned from YouTube" and get really autistic when someone criticizes their ideal on the matter. Free speech is really subjective after social media came around, and nobody can agree on what the fuck it is which is why I don't bother for my own sake.

Comparing the cutting off of all avenues of internet speech with a predators access to prey is dumb and you're dumber for insulting us via its repetition. The whole mockery of think of the children is based in the fact that it's usually something that doesn't really affect children, merely shamelessly using children as vehicle to gain more power. Do you object to CPS taking away abused children because they are "thinking of the children"?

Yet things like Section 230 are under attack by both Democrats and Republicans.
When it comes to fucking you over both parties can't agree hard enough and the differences of both parties are extremely overblown by the media.

Agreed to an extent, the issue is:

Making free speech a partisan issue just ensures that half the people will strongly disagree with it. And this divisiveness will get exploited to erode your civil liberties even more.

It's already a partisan issue, and there are differences in party lines re: Alex jones and the formerpresident.i

 

[GHTD]

Comparing the cutting off of all avenues of internet speech with a predators access to prey is dumb and you're dumber for insulting us via its repetition. The whole mockery of think of the children is based in the fact that it's usually something that doesn't really affect children, merely shamelessly using children as vehicle to gain more power. Do you object to CPS taking away abused children because they are "thinking of the children"?

Seethe, faggot. Also, what the hell does "think of the children" have to do with any of that?

 

[KateHikes14]

Seethe, faggot. Also, what the hell does "think of the children" have to do with any of that?

The various ways "trans rights" violate the safety of children. Child drag shows, letting Yaniv into women's bathrooms, etc...

 

[Massa's Little Buckie]

Jesus, just let me say nigger.

 

[Superman93]

dont know how people are still unironically parroting this position in 2021
leftists are already cracking down, deplatforming and unpersoning their opposition, enacting political purges of public institutions, you see them literally jail people for wrongspeak all around the place, yet you still spout boomerisms aimed at chastising the dang dirty rightoids for not being nice enough to the left lol

Shut up and be quiet retard

 

[Chris Mclean]

dont know how people are still unironically parroting this position in 2021
leftists are already cracking down, deplatforming and unpersoning their opposition, enacting political purges of public institutions, you see them literally jail people for wrongspeak all around the place, yet you still spout boomerisms aimed at chastising the dang dirty rightoids for not being nice enough to the left lol

Imagine seeing your entire society fall apart and just think that still freeze peach is the most important thing in the world.

 

[Slonki Wola]

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[ConcernedAnon]

That was a pretty good and based speech

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The current advocate for suppression is the leftoid alongside their pet niggers and faggots, and yes, fundies are equally prone; but you cannot pretend they have any systemic power at the moment. They are simply not relevant anymore; and it's been twenty years, get over the D&D pogroms ffs
If you look somewhat closely you'll see that this apparent systemic power is not owned but rather loaned; the neoliberal is ultimately the master. The neoliberal divides and panders, promising each a total victory, yet again and again pivoting to pander to the other. This process is meant to centralize power while maintaining complacency, and it works quite well.
Inane "both are bad" centroid thinking is not a solution either, it is merely contrarian autofellatio. The answer is regionalism bros

 

[GHTD]

The various ways "trans rights" violate the safety of children. Child drag shows, letting Yaniv into women's bathrooms, etc...

Holy shit, are you really using something that isn’t the basis at all of what I said as a bad faith argument?

That statement is not left or right. It is not trans rights or globohomo degeneracy. It’s saying free speech is subjective based on your beliefs and I’m sorry you’re too retarded to see that.

 

[KateHikes14]

Holy shit, are you really using something that isn’t the basis at all of what I said as a bad faith argument?

That statement is not left or right. It is not trans rights or globohomo degeneracy. It’s saying free speech is subjective based on your beliefs and I’m sorry you’re too retarded to see that.

Those things literally aren't free speech issues that get wrapped up into a "see the right is oppressing free speech too" and once again they are dumb false equivalencies and you're dumber for insulting us by bringing them up. That or you're vagueposting because any further exposition of your statement reveals why they aren't the same.

 

[SiccDicc]

SOPA was an republican antipiracy bill

It was Bipartisan. A lot of influential Democrats backed it at the time. Maybe some Republican jackass authored it, but both parties' had prominent members back it.

It was amusing seeing left and right orgs join against it, though. Really showed the disconnect both parties had with America as a whole.

 

[vulgar]

It was Bipartisan. A lot of influential Democrats backed it at the time. Maybe some Republican jackass authored it, but both parties' had prominent members back it.

It was amusing seeing left and right orgs join against it, though. Really showed the disconnect both parties had with America as a whole.

It was interesting to see a bill so universally hated by both creators and consumers, even though defeating SOPA/PIPA was nice to see, it's a losing battle.

as we saw with Christchurch, "extremist" content will eventually be labelled and prosecuted like it's child pornography.

 

[Justtocheck]

Free Speech is self defeating, you end up protecting people who want you in jail for saying what they don't want you to say.
You give them the right to constantly use free speech to attack you and all it takes is one crack for laws ending free speech and putting you behind bars.

right wing: I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it
left wing: You're being sent to the gulags for express free speech extremist sentiment

Edit:
This is a common problem with tolerant societies. Like how progressive countries are effectively enacting blasphemy laws to appease people who come from places where drawing the holy prophet gets your head lopped off.

Hey, just FYI no right wing dictatorship ever threw people out of planes or helicopters for their different views. It never happened. All right wing people governments have been freedom absolutists without reproach.

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

Society's educational foundation and moral fabric have frayed to the point that we don't trust each other to think or act in a sensible, non-destructive manner. In short, we don't trust each other's thoughts anymore. So we feel an urge to control each other's access to information that we find disagreeable.

Aristotle said it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. We are no longer an educated population.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

Hey, just FYI no right wing dictatorship ever threw people out of planes or helicopters for their different views. It never happened. All right wing people governments have been freedom absolutists without reproach.

Thank you for this comment. I will now pretend that I'm living in 1970s Chile as I formulate opinions about 2021 America.

 

[GHTD]

Thank you for this comment. I will now pretend that I'm living in 1970s Chile as I formulate opinions about 2021 America.

"Did you hear about that Agosto Pinochet guy that just became president? Bet he'll do wonders!"

 

[mr.moon1488]

Personally, I think free speech is largely a self-defeating value. The people who actually give a shit about it are certainly always going to be the weakest politically because they'll never censor their opposition, but their opposition is going to censor them.

 

[Dialtone]

No one deserves free speech.