Chuck Palahniuk (Fight Club author) -

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IronJustice

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Chuck is a rather interesting character, a self-taught writer who began developing his skill while working blue-collar jobs. He is well known to be a member of the Cacaphony Society. Most of his writing focuses on dark and grimy aspects of our culture that are often ignored or misrepresented. He seeks to challenge his readers by presenting incredibly bizarre, but meaningful characters and situations that aren't found anywhere else.

Little known fact about Chuck is that Invisible Monsters was actually his first published book to be written and not Fight Club, but it was initially denied by publishers for being "too offensive." Being the smartass he is, he made Fight Club to be even more offensive than Invisible Monsters, and the publishers liked it enough to publish it. Then Invisible Monsters was approved soon after Fight Club's success.

In my opinion Invisible Monsters is his greatest work, and one of my all time favorite books. It is astronomically crazy and grimy but compared to his later work, but it all builds up to making some very true points about our society. I love how the book is written with chapters completely out of order, pressing the reader to piece the story together, and to appreciate aspects of the story that might otherwise be overlooked if it was totally linear. Supposedly Chuck write the story that way inspired by the way magazines switch topics suddenly. This is definitely a book that can be reread multiple times and appreciated more every time.

Fight Club, his best known and most loved book, is in second place in my opinion. I absolutely love the book, and the movie, but it wasn't as original or groundbreaking as Invisible Monsters. I'm sure most of you know the story from the movie, which was very accurate, so I wont say much more. The ending was better in the book though and is the biggest difference from the movie.

Chuck's writing from there really went downhill. As open minded and wanting to like Chuck as I am, his books kept getting weirder and less intellectual to me. I can tolerate offensive and unusual things if it has a point, but it looks like he started to go for shock value more than anything of meaning.

Haunting was a good example of this, and I do somewhat like that book. Survivor was just dreadful, I almost gave up on Chuck after reading that. It seems absolutely laughable and I had a hard time taking most of it seriously. Lullaby doesn't even seem like a Chuck book and wasn't enjoyable to read. Pygmy was completely misguided and ridiculous. Chuck spent a lot of effort in Pygmy to slap around the stereotypical American family and never seemed to move much beyond that point, at least not in any meaningful way.

I haven't read anything else, most of his other books like Diary, Rant, Snuff, and Choke just seem completely uninteresting and I don't have much faith in him anymore to give it a chance.

Anyone else familiar with him have any opinions to share? Agree or disagree with me?
 
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Choke is my favorite of his, followed up by Survivor and Fight Club. I didn't like Rant or Diary at all. His books lately seem to trend towards being little fun things, rather than the harsh satire early in his career.

Books like Snuff are a lot of fun, but it's more like watching an episode of a goofy tv show rather than something of substance.
 

IronJustice

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Choke is my favorite of his, followed up by Survivor and Fight Club. I didn't like Rant or Diary at all. His books lately seem to trend towards being little fun things, rather than the harsh satire early in his career.

Books like Snuff are a lot of fun, but it's more like watching an episode of a goofy tv show rather than something of substance.

Yeah, I generally agree. Nothing against the guy, he's free to write whatever he wants.

You liked survivor? It was really hard for me to take seriously. Some ideas, like the guy buying every name conceivable as potential patents was pretty silly. The aspects of the story pertaining to the cult and the suicides were interesting, as well as the scenes involving the plane hijacking. But a lot of the story just seemed like Chuck was just trying to freak us out rather than actually making a point. I get grossed out by some of this stuff, and if there is no payoff, its a little disappointing. Maybe you just have to be in the right state of mind.
 
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For me, Survivor was pretty much a satirical assault on everything modern media. Fake celebrity over nothing, and the terribleness of it all. Similar to Bret Easton Ellis' Glamorama, if Glamorama wasn't a steaming pile of shit (I like Ellis, but fuck that book).
 

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The point of Survivor was society's tendency towards mass commercializing, overhyping, and moving between fads without regards to whatever life or tragedy may be behind them. The guy patenting every name possible seems like a patent troll to me, which happens fairly often in the United States, though not to the extreme that the book portrays.
 

Uzumaki

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The point of Survivor was society's tendency towards mass commercializing, overhyping, and moving between fads without regards to whatever life or tragedy may be behind them. The guy patenting every name possible seems like a patent troll to me, which happens fairly often in the United States, though not to the extreme that the book portrays.

You also have domain name campers. I haven't read this book but it sounds like it was pretty spot on with that idea, actually.
 

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His books lately seem to trend towards being little fun things, rather than the harsh satire early in his career.
A lot of authors who are known for more... brutality in their writing tend to go lighter and softer later in their career. I remember Stephen King had a lot of very harsh writing in his early stuff and as he grew older it occurred less and less often.
 
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A lot of authors who are known for more... brutality in their writing tend to go lighter and softer later in their career. I remember Stephen King had a lot of very harsh writing in his early stuff and as he grew older it occurred less and less often.

Very true. I remember being surprised when Cell came out, because it read more like his 70s stuff.
 

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I expect the Fight Club 2 comic will be terrible and look forward to mocking it.
 

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Choke is my favorite of his, followed up by Survivor and Fight Club. I didn't like Rant or Diary at all. His books lately seem to trend towards being little fun things, rather than the harsh satire early in his career.

Books like Snuff are a lot of fun, but it's more like watching an episode of a goofy tv show rather than something of substance.

I did like Survivor. I thought it had really interesting anti-media undertone in it. And as other people pointed out, the patent trolling was pretty spot on.

Diary, I think, is a little more love-it-or-hate it. Personally, I loved it because it had that whole simmering fear and hurt that comes with an artist or writer just knowing they could be more, and wanting to be more, but just not thinking they can. And the ending was amazing too. It felt kind-of like "Oh, you desperately want to BE something? You were a tool. How do you like that?"

... /sperg :oops:
 
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I like Chuck Palahniuk myself. My favorites of his works are Fight Club, Survivor, Invisible Monsters, Lullaby, and Rant. I didn't finish Haunted, Pygmy, Tell All(which was total shit) and Damned. Snuff was interesting. I personally like Survivor because Tender is like that one person who feels so out of place in society. He's the outsider looking in. I can relate to Tender in someways or more, except I never had sex that lasted for ten seconds.
 

Yog-Spergoth

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I like Chuck Palahniuk myself. My favorites of his works are Fight Club, Survivor, Invisible Monsters, Lullaby, and Rant. I didn't finish Haunted, Pygmy, Tell All(which was total shit) and Damned. Snuff was interesting. I personally like Survivor because Tender is like that one person who feels so out of place in society. He's the outsider looking in. I can relate to Tender in someways or more, except I never had sex that lasted for ten seconds.

Oh, I forgot about Rant. Rant was really good apart from that rape scene...
 
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It's about when Rant gets out of the hospital. Sorry, that's vague but spoilers for other people, lol.

After the accident he had?

I thought

I thought he disappeared after his car crash. Who was raped?
 

Yog-Spergoth

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After the accident he had?

I thought

I thought he disappeared after his car crash. Who was raped?

His mother/daughter/wife. Due to his recursion, that was how he became 'superhuman' if you will, and why he was trying to cause the accident in the first place. Sorry if this makes no sense.
 

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