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I had an evanescent flow stream, but my urologist fixed it.
To be fair, though, a lot of SF and fantasy has specialist terminology which makes no fucking sense unless you read the work.

One of the funniest moments in Cherryh's Faded Sun trilogy is when a human soldier puts on a blue robe.
End of Eternity is about an attack on Eternity from the Dead Zone.
Foundation is about a society destined by psychohistory to overthrow Trantor.

I haven't read Scalzi; I don't read a lot of fiction. But he has a reasonably good reputation and unless corrected, I'm happy to assume "Evanescent Flow" actually means something.
 

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Does Scalzi have a thread? I don't actually know a lot about him besides a low-grade sense of irritating wokeness when he pops up in conversation online.

Do you like comics? Scalzi is like our Bendis. He had an amazing run with his Old Man's War series, it won a bunch of awards and was highly recommended when it first came out. Since Zoe's war his books have sold well, but never matched the hype of the first three.

He added modern sensibilities and quippyness to a genre that is often very self serous and does his best writing when he is being irreverent and funny. His downfall is his dependence on tropes, he can't do world building to save his life and all his books contain some contradictions in them somewhere. He's a good writer, but not a pioneer.

He was also the only member of Hayden's clique who could actually sell books. On the strength of this TOR signed a $3.5Million 13 book contract with him. They want him to save the company and are aggressively trying to sell him to Hollywood. It's not working like they hoped. He sells well, but it's not Harry Potter money by any means.
 

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It sounds like am award winning book
Back in the Hub planet system, Emperox Grayland II consults with her Memory Room – the recorded thoughts and emotional states of every single previous emperox – in search of an unlikely solution to save the entire population of the Interdependency. She plans to break the Nohamapetan blockade of End via a predicted new “evanescent” Flow stream into the End system, while Marce Claremont, a scientific advisor and eventual secret fiancé to Grayland, discovers a possible new method for controlling the evanescent Flow streams which may allow for the transport of whole habitats to the End system, thus preventing an overburden on the planet itself.
I'm willing to grant that a lot of this stuff probably makes more sense in context, but Jesus Christ. This feels I'm reading the first chapter of Dune in an alternate universe where Frank Herbert had a fucking stroke, it's entirely inaccessible to an outsider. Is this a section from the book itself or a snippet to try and sell you on it? Cause in both ways it doesn't work.

If it's a section of the book, is it a flashback? If so, why so much detail over something that you can explain a lot faster and a lot easier to read? If not, why am I being told about this characters future engagement to another? Is it told from a god's point of view? More importantly, does that matter?

If it's a snippet to sell me on it, you're speaking chinese. I don't know what any of the things you just said are, nor why I should care. Shit like this is why when I try and convince people to read sci-fi-fantasy books they tell me they don't like it.

Fucking flow streams.
 

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He was also the only member of Hayden's clique who could actually sell books. On the strength of this TOR signed a $3.5Million 13 book contract with him.
It's really his association with Tor that is the worst thing about him. Tor is pretty much ground zero for the incestuous clusterfuck of woke fuckers cancerously destroying the SF fandom with their awards rigging and pretty much open, outright corruption. The Hugos at this point are pretty much cucks from Tor giving each other awards to boost their clique at the expense of everyone else not in their clique, then pretending this is somehow about "Nazis" when not everyone is thrilled.

Scalzi is irritatingly woke. But he mainly just irritates his fellow writers. And credit where credit is due, while I would never pay for his shit or encourage others to do so, he is an objectively far better writer than Cuck Wendig. Granted that is not a high bar to cross. Wendig’s shit is astonishingly bad. Like his 7th grade English Teacher should probably be jailed, bad.
I have, no shit and without exaggeration or rhetorical excess, read better prose in My Little Pony fanfics written by lolcows with threads here than anything shat out by Cuck Wendigo, who is an atrociously shitty writer, to the point it should be a war crime.
 

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Does Scalzi have a thread? I don't actually know a lot about him besides a low-grade sense of irritating wokeness when he pops up in conversation online.
Vox Day has a personal vendetta against the man and a thread on here. Could we count it by proxy?

He's just a woke dude installed in SF fandom. He doesn't really chimp out that much and seems reasonably nice when talking about normal SF issues and not being a wokescold.
Isn't that like... once a month?
 

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I first encountered this clown's work on Hyperion. I couldn't understand what he was trying to do, and to my shame I had to give up on it. I dig the various versions of Superman, but wow. That character went from holding two realities apart until it was too much and surviving the resulting void intact, getting slapped around by nobodies of varying might.

Finding this thread has been like seeing inside his pisspot of a mind. Thank you for all the links!
 

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It's really his association with Tor that is the worst thing about him. Tor is pretty much ground zero for the incestuous clusterfuck of woke fuckers cancerously destroying the SF fandom with their awards rigging and pretty much open, outright corruption. The Hugos at this point are pretty much cucks from Tor giving each other awards to boost their clique at the expense of everyone else not in their clique, then pretending this is somehow about "Nazis" when not everyone is thrilled.
Is science fiction literature the backbone of nerd culture? The fact that the very source has been corrupted so thoroughly is incredibly worrying.

Just... why do they hate us so much? Why is nerd culture one of the main things on their agenda to destroy?
 

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Is science fiction literature the backbone of nerd culture? The fact that the very source has been corrupted so thoroughly is incredibly worrying.

Just... why do they hate us so much? Why is nerd culture one of the main things on their agenda to destroy?
Ironically, precisely because nerd culture is so open and tolerant, it has no immune mechanisms or xenophobia to keep out fuckers who want to kill everything it stands for.
 

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Ironically, precisely because nerd culture is so open and tolerant, it has no immune mechanisms or xenophobia to keep out fuckers who want to kill everything it stands for.
See, that's the thing, we weren't bothering anybody, sexism and racism was never a serious issue in nerd culture, so why are we one of the main targets?

I remember when geek chic started to go big, I, alongside I assume most people, was excited. why wouldn't more people liking what we like be a good thing? You would have sounded like the biggest asshole a decade ago saying "women and minorities keep out!" but if we only knew...
 

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See, that's the thing, we weren't bothering anybody, sexism and racism was never a serious issue in nerd culture, so why are we one of the main targets?

I remember when geek chic started to go big, I, alongside I assume most people, was excited. why wouldn't more people liking what we like be a good thing? You would have sounded like the biggest asshole a decade ago saying "women and minorities keep out!" but if we only knew...
Well that was a lot of the debate back then. One side saying that the other was all "women and minorities keep out!" while the other side was pointing at all the women and minorities that had been all over the place for literal decades.

The puppy wars and gamergate were a warning to all: It didn't matter how innocent you were, the Left would make you guilty if they had to.
 

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Ironically, precisely because nerd culture is so open and tolerant, it has no immune mechanisms or xenophobia to keep out fuckers who want to kill everything it stands for.
Big Bang Theory made being a nerd something that people wanted. Just think back to the days of "I read a book, I'm such a nerd"/I played Snake on my phone, I'm such a gamer nerd" posts by women on social media a decade ago. At the same time, we got a huge shift in the gaming community, when console gaming became a mainstream thing for dudebros.
Many games started pandering to mainstream interests and many good games suddenly changed to become a thinly veiled carbon copy of whatever was popular at the time and some games forced diversity shit into games just for the sake of getting browny points with people who don't even like games.
This resulted in some pushback by actual nerds, who felt that their "culture" (for lack of a better word) was being compromised by assholes. Gaming fired back, accusing those that criticised them for throwing their decades long fans under the bus as being bigots - Bioware was especially guilty of that and they deflected any kind of criticism with "They just hate us for supporting LGBT rights!". It was a shitshow and it paved the way to portray nerd culture as particularly bigoted, cause every time they tried to defend themselves against the cancer that was modern politics ruining their games, they were seen as Nazis.

Gamergate also played a big role. It was a huge thing that started over the disgust of the obviously rotten gaming journo industry and the nepotism some pudgy doughy flat-chested chubby chick had over a huge swathe of people purely based on letting them fuck her nasty buttercunt. This raised the stakes when it came to the perception of gamers as sexists, cause the easiest way to defend that chick was to pretend it was about incels being mad they didn't get fucked themselves. Granted, there was a lot of misogyny going around, so GG was a failure, though in many instances, threats had been faked, orchastrated or evidently lied about...

Well, to make a long story short, nerd culture was seen as chic and was corrupted by people that had treated nerds like doormats for their entire lives, when the nerds tried to stand up for themselves, they were shamed for daring to protect their hobby. Now, every single nerd-culture icon has been coopted by assholes with a political agenda and a chip on their shoulder against nerds.

Star Wars, Star Trek, pretty much all iconic shows and movies, too many tabletop and video games to name, everything is being run by people who loathe the originals and want to take down the old fans a notch by destroying what they loved. You enjoyed Han or Luke? Too bad, they are tired old losers, who die pathetic deaths. You enjoyed Picard in TNG? Too bad, he's a whiny, tired old man, forced to face his white male privilege and die a pathetic death. You enjoyed the multitude of races in DnD and their uniqueness? Too bad, we can't have that, orcs will now become noble savage proud negro stand-ins. The list goes on.

And with the rise of this shit, it also allowed hack writers with inferiority complexes to live out their fantasies of being reknown and awesome writers. Enter Chuck Wendig, one of the few people I genuinely would punch in the face if I ever saw them in person. People like him rode the coattails of the right people by kissing their asses and blaring the correct buzzwords at the correct times. I can't even put into words how much this hack disgusts me and how annoyed I am that writers like this are allowed to thrive.
It's a good time to stock up on old works by actually skilled authors. The Hugo Awards has been a sham for a long time, so has the Oscars, but these things will still be heralded around like it means something and a shitton of people will not see through the bullshit of these awards and buy mediocre books and watch terrible movies, cause they received the participation medal for the oppression olympics. We watch a decline in our pop culture and there is nothing to stop it. All we can hope for is a crash.

Goddamnit, this turned into a way longer rant then I expected. Sorry for that.

Well that was a lot of the debate back then. One side saying that the other was all "women and minorities keep out!" while the other side was pointing at all the women and minorities that had been all over the place for literal decades.

The puppy wars and gamergate were a warning to all: It didn't matter how innocent you were, the Left would make you guilty if they had to.
As I (rather wordily) said it above: Defending oneself was the biggest sign that you were guilty.
So you had two choices:
Don't fight back and lose all you love.
Fight back, be accused of being a women-hating nazi and then watch all being lost that you love.

How many times has Hollywood now celebrated movies for having a minority lead like it was the first time in history. And they do this over and over. Ghostbusters 2016 was treated like it was the first time women were actually allowed to have lead roles in movies. Then we got Star Wars The Farce Starts and it was the same thing again. By the time Black Panther rolled around, you'd think that every movie up till 2018 only featured Jared Leto in Blackface as black characters.
How can people be so fucking stupid to fall for the same fake outrage over and over again, that they buy into believing "Soulless corporate product made by committee for the sole purpose of moneygrabbing: A Star Wars/Marvel/Terminator Story" is actually a powerful statement against racism and bigottry cause it is the first time we see minorities in a movie?

And when you point out classic female heroes like Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor, they mock you for it.
 
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Well that was a lot of the debate back then. One side saying that the other was all "women and minorities keep out!" while the other side was pointing at all the women and minorities that had been all over the place for literal decades.

The puppy wars and gamergate were a warning to all: It didn't matter how innocent you were, the Left would make you guilty if they had to.
I do remember girls getting a little pushback, but nothing too extreme, I also don't remember any racism at all, that just wasn't done back then, save for maybe 4chan shitposting, but I'm talking more nerd culture in general.

But I think we all assumed that what appealed to us about nerd culture would be what appealed to everyone, I don't think anyone could have wrapped their heads around people claiming to be nerds... but actually hating everything about nerd culture.

I know for me personally I just never imagined that people could ever really be that fucking uptight and hard assed, that there would be women genuinely incensed by video game girls in bikinis or whatever.

The sharp and undeniable decline pop culture has undergone this last decade just tears me up inside, how did things get so bad? And will it ever get better? And what angers me is even if things do get better and I sincerely hope they do, but that's a decade of our lives we'll never get back that wasn't as good as it could have been thanks to assholes like Wendig.
 
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To keep a longer post short, I'll just reply to this:
The sharp and undeniable decline pop culture has undergone this last decade just tears me up inside, how did things get so bad? And will it ever get better? And what angers me is even if things do get better and I sincerely hope they do, but that's a decade of our lives we'll never get back that wasn't as good as it could have been thanks to assholes like Wendig.
Because the modern morality is that the best is to fight for a victim against an oppressor.

So when no oppressors are to be found, they must then be invented - as well as the victims.
 

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To keep a longer post short, I'll just reply to this:

Because the modern morality is that the best is to fight for a victim against an oppressor.

So when no oppressors are to be found, they must then be invented - as well as the victims.
But how does this translate to people that hate the very concepts of fun and escapism? That's what I don't get, leftist politics are nothing new, but somewhere along the way people got extremely tight assed and lost the ability to just have fun, why?
 

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But how does this translate to people that hate the very concepts of fun and escapism? That's what I don't get, leftist politics are nothing new, but somewhere along the way people got extremely tight assed and lost the ability to just have fun, why?
Because of what I said, it's about morality. And it's not that they hate fun, but how can you laugh "when there are literal people literally suffering and dying"?

You got to remember that to these people it's not about what's real. They feel it's just like the days of Jim crow and Nazi Germany, so it is. And if you protest against them, we'll like I said earlier, they need a villain.
 

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Because of what I said, it's about morality. And it's not that they hate fun, but how can you laugh "when there are literal people literally suffering and dying"?

You got to remember that to these people it's not about what's real. They feel it's just like the days of Jim crow and Nazi Germany, so it is. And if you protest against them, we'll like I said earlier, they need a villain.
Ironically if these people developed a more genuine appreciation of nerd culture they would learn the good a vivid fantasy life can do for a person and stop tilting at the windmills of their political bullshit.

Because that's all this shit boils down to, it's just something to do with their lives, it's exciting to roleplay as a brave freedom fighter and pretend you're in Jim Crow America or Nazi Germany instead of face the boring reality that you're just one of millions living a comfortable life in a first world country where all the serious issues of survival like food, water and shelter are solved.
 

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Because of what I said, it's about morality. And it's not that they hate fun, but how can you laugh "when there are literal people literally suffering and dying"?

You got to remember that to these people it's not about what's real. They feel it's just like the days of Jim crow and Nazi Germany, so it is. And if you protest against them, we'll like I said earlier, they need a villain.
Doesn't help that by disagreeing, you are deemed a part of the problem and accused of being a women-hating nazi. You can either join in or get canceled.
The most annoying thing is that the ones that lead cancel culture have many companies in a stranglehold, simply cause the companies don't realize that the ones bitching and moaning on Twitter are the same people that don't buy their product. There is not a single thing in this world that was turned profitable by merely pandering to Tumblr and Twitter. Nothing.

When we want to fight back, we'd have to create a counter-cancel-culture of people who actually punish companies for being dicks and avoiding their products.
SJWs don't buy the products of companies that they complain to, the ones that SJWs complain about are actually the ones paying. If they'd decide to tell these companies to suckstart a 12gauge and just invest their money in whatever else, this shit would be over within a year.

I've decided to boycott anything made by Ubisoft and EA a decade ago and I have never regreted that decision. I've decided to boycott Gilette after their atrocious ad from a year ago or so and I am sure as shit not going to give Disney another fucking dime. The sad thing here is, that's not nearly enough and I admit it. I'd have to boycott nearly all companies, but it's a start and if more people participated, it would slowly turn into a movement with much more effect...

... and on that note: How can anyone pay for a product by people who openly tell them how much they despise them?