Clashes between Jews and Palestinians in Jerusalem. Israel now invading Gaza according to (Questionable) Reports - If your thoughts are "I don't like either" you don't need to fucking post because it's been said 100 times you fucking dullard

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introman

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Yea, it's looking like a hot summer for that region. Hamas thought they won but the rebuilding effort has messed up with their cash flow, and the ability to have even a moral victory as every thing is going against their favor. Israel's new elected government has put a mandate that they will give concessions to Hamas, if they let go/prisoner swap of their 4 Israeli hostages. 2 hostages are soldiers who were caught during the 2014 war, and 2 are mentally-ill Israeli's who jumped over the Gazan Border.


The recent timeline:

Qatar promises to send aid to the Gaza Strip, but they can't go over the Egyptian border as Egypt hates Qatar for funding terrorists and the Muslim Brotherhood(#1 enemy to the Egyptian Government). Qatar has to use the Israeli border to send cash over, and they've done this with Netanyahu's permission to calm down the Gaza Strip in the past.

New Israeli Government says that they won't allow straight up cash, but instead the money to be administered through the UN(Allegedly). Hamas gets pissed.

Egypt pledges to spend 500 million dollars in Gaza reconstruction, but that money will go through the Palestinian Authority(Enemies of Hamas and rulers of the West Bank. )

Hamas gets mad at the mediators from Egypt - Egypt acts as a mediator for the Israeli's and Hamas. Egypt tells them not to do the arson balloons and not to start riots on the border. Hamas leaves the mediation and threatens to launch rockets unless they get the Qatar Money in straight up cash, soon.

UN mediators talk to Hamas and Hamas leaves the meeting VERY pissed. I presume Hamas thought it would be like 2014 where a bunch of international money would come in and they could pilfer it for their military applications - they haven't realized that 2021 with a covid pandemic and even the international community knowing they misappropriated aid money, means that donors are going to want to give the money straight to the UN, and not to a BS charity that is a front.
 

Aldeland

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Yea, it's looking like a hot summer for that region. Hamas thought they won but the rebuilding effort has messed up with their cash flow, and the ability to have even a moral victory as every thing is going against their favor. Israel's new elected government has put a mandate that they will give concessions to Hamas, if they let go/prisoner swap of their 4 Israeli hostages. 2 hostages are soldiers who were caught during the 2014 war, and 2 are mentally-ill Israeli's who jumped over the Gazan Border.


The recent timeline:

Qatar promises to send aid to the Gaza Strip, but they can't go over the Egyptian border as Egypt hates Qatar for funding terrorists and the Muslim Brotherhood(#1 enemy to the Egyptian Government). Qatar has to use the Israeli border to send cash over, and they've done this with Netanyahu's permission to calm down the Gaza Strip in the past.

New Israeli Government says that they won't allow straight up cash, but instead the money to be administered through the UN(Allegedly). Hamas gets pissed.

Egypt pledges to spend 500 million dollars in Gaza reconstruction, but that money will go through the Palestinian Authority(Enemies of Hamas and rulers of the West Bank. )

Hamas gets mad at the mediators from Egypt - Egypt acts as a mediator for the Israeli's and Hamas. Egypt tells them not to do the arson balloons and not to start riots on the border. Hamas leaves the mediation and threatens to launch rockets unless they get the Qatar Money in straight up cash, soon.

UN mediators talk to Hamas and Hamas leaves the meeting VERY pissed. I presume Hamas thought it would be like 2014 where a bunch of international money would come in and they could pilfer it for their military applications - they haven't realized that 2021 with a covid pandemic and even the international community knowing they misappropriated aid money, means that donors are going to want to give the money straight to the UN, and not to a BS charity that is a front.
Hamas forgot they just need to offer some "voluntary" organ donors and some "voluntary" child sex slaves to the UN. Then will get that money no questions asked.
 

Moe Szylak

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My initial thoughts are fuck Israel and I hope the Zionists get their kosher asses handed to them, but then I remember the Samson Option and how these genocidal fucks have openly stated that if they ever deem Israel to be under any kind of serious danger, they won't hesitate to nuke any countries they consider to be an enemy..... In other words, if they go down, they're happy bringing down the rest of humanity with them.

What a very Jewish mentality, Oy Vey.
 

HumbleFarmer

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a lot of noise is made about the samson option, but how many nukes does Israel actually have? Seems to me that its as much a psychological tool as an actual threat
 

theshep

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Most estimates think somewhere between 80 and 400.
400 would have to be on the super, super, super optimistic end of the scale.

Do they even have the capability to manufacture or store that many without raising the suspicions or ire of other countries? (lol, not including Iran.)
 

CWCissey

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400 would have to be on the super, super, super optimistic end of the scale.

Do they even have the capability to manufacture or store that many without raising the suspicions or ire of other countries? (lol, not including Iran.)

They tend to operate on a schtum policy. Israel won't confirm or deny having nukes.

Although a popular theory is they taught the South African government how to make nukes during Apartheid.
 

Altzek

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a lot of noise is made about the samson option, but how many nukes does Israel actually have? Seems to me that its as much a psychological tool as an actual threat

People who whine about Samson don't understand how it works. The premise is they'd nuke the living shit out of the region if Israeli territory is invaded and there's no way to hold back the enemy.
It's a rational policy, if you're about to lose you want to make sure the enemy pays dearly for it. I wouldn't have any other policy in case of existential threat.

The answer is simple: don't fuck with a cornered dog.
And thankfully nobody's fucking with it, so nobody's risking a thing.
 

Protistology

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they'd nuke the living shit out of the region
Stop lying Moshe.

Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow—it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.
 

Catch The Rainbow

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The first is just some random Jewish professor who is seething who as far as I can tell isn't even israeli. The second is a military historian who has little connection to the IDF. The entire idea of the Samson option striking anywhere but the immediate attackers of Israel comes from people with weak ties to the IDF/Israeli government at best.
 

Altzek

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First article, you're projecting a country's nuclear policy on an American's op-ed, which is pretty stupid.
Second article, you're quoting some guy saying a lot of horseshit; Israel's military is not the third or second strongest in the world, many countries would wipe the floor with it - though none in the MENA region - Israeli planes can't reach Rome before being shot down in the Mediterranean with their air tankers by the Italian air force, and there is absolutely no reason for Israel to nuke the shit out of Rome in a Samson scenario. No, they wont go east of Tehran and west of Cairo.
Though, to be honest, the bigger and more widespread the damage, the better for any country trying to make sure the enemy pays for its victory. Once again it's common sense, it doesn't even have anything to do with political partiality.
If Pakistan were to fall to India, honest to God I hope the entire Gangetic plain turns to ash if that's the last thing Pakistan will ever do, and Pakistan has the means; enemy victories must be expensive, it's basic military doctrine, and basic common sense. Nobody cares about the dead, or to be specific, they are the point.

Once again, being a rabid dog helps being taken seriously, and nobody really fucks with Israel. Chill out.
 
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introman

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Sorry bro, but the actual Samson option is way more low-tech and way less Hollywood. According to the guy who termed the phrase, it was to detonate a nuclear device in a neighboring countries empty desert in war to destroy a bunch of land and scare the Arab armies at the time.

In May 1967, Ya’tza took it upon himself – with his commanders’ blessing -- to add an operational-military dimension to the fast-created, new situation on the ground. He drew a preliminary contingency plan – codenamed “Shimshon” (“Samson”) – proposing how such an improvised device could be exploded for demonstrative purposes. To be clear, the operation would have been purely demonstrative, yet the crash effort to make such a contingency plan possible is indicative of the enormous anxiety in Israel in those days.

In a series of interviews I conducted with Ya’tza during the summer and the fall of 1999, he told me a great deal about his role in conceiving, proposing, planning and ultimately preparing for the Shimshon operation—that is, exploding a nuclear device—to be conducted in a desolate part of the eastern Sinai.

The Israeli's have done a tactic like this before in 1947-1949 by using an improvised mortar launcher that was obnoxiusly loud called the "Davidka".
 

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