Clayton Ray Huff / Dream / DreamOnPvP / DreamTraps / DreamAF / DreamXD / DeltaKnight / DreamSkilful / Clayman23 - Fat Minecraft Youtuber with fans that want to torture and rape him and are in denial that he's fat.

Is JacobTMK the Fatman?

  • Yes! It's a deadringer!

    Votes: 131 8.6%
  • No! That's Dream!

    Votes: 1,229 80.3%
  • It's neither of them!

    Votes: 171 11.2%

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Ya'll gotta remember that Dream has pretty thin and more skin-colored lips. Coleton is pretty similar. Every "faceleak" that there's been of Dream has had full, pink lips, something Clay doesn't have and those aren't something that just grow in, as far as I'm aware.


In other news, the DSMP is dying. The stans admit it, the CC's have made comments on how hard it is to do anything on there, so what do you do to revive it?
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Invite a stan on of course!!! It's not like anything bad could happen, right?
Half of the top replies for Dream's tweet are other content creators who are friends with people like Eret, Tommy, and others. Even Jschlatt's old business partner/scam dealer IamTy is volunteering. All of which is good, they're not insane people. Even the guy who Technoblade fought in the great potato war with is volunteering! Again, that's pretty good! Might make for something remotely interesting to happen on that server!
B u t, the rest of the replies can be seen as something like this:
"omG HI, I'M POC LGBT AND AN ASPIRING CREATOR🥺 I MAKE ART FOR YOU ANDYOUR FRIENDS 🥺 PLEASE VOUCH FOR ME THIS IS MY DREAM I WOULD BE SO GOOD AT LORE OMG🥺DID I MENTION I WAS POC AND LGBT??"
It's even worse considering that the stans who want in are probably those who have "DNI If you support Tommy, Schlatt, Philza, Fundy, Techno, Eret or Hannah Rose😡"
This is a horrible idea all around if a stan gets into the SMP and not a smaller streamer like the ones mentioned above, it's more than likely going to make a lot of things crumble, not just lorewise, but in the lives of the creators as well. Bringing on someone who is obsessed with one of you and hates your other peers is a terrible move. I could see a lot of friendships falling apart if they allow any stan into the inner circle.
It would probably be especially bad for Tommy if they bring in someone who is an "anti" of him. The kid already has broken down on livestream because of the sheer wave of people dogpiling him. If someone like that is brought into his friendcircle, I can't imagine the discord that would cause. The only good thing that would probably come from that is if Tommy and his closer friends possibly split away from the DSMP group and leaving it to flounder about without it's backbone. But still, it's just a reason why bringing a stan on is a horrible idea.

Hopefully Dream has half a brain and vets them to make sure that they're actually sane and not going to go after any of his other creators.
 
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sarafea

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This is a horrible idea all around if a stan gets into the SMP and not a smaller streamer like the ones mentioned above, it's more than likely going to make a lot of things crumble, not just lorewise, but in the lives of the creators as well. Bringing on someone who is obsessed with one of you and hates your other peers is a terrible move. I could see a lot of friendships falling apart if they allow any stan into the inner circle.
Look at what I found on twitter lmfao:

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FD3U9ZbXoAMHqzB

FairlyGab is a stan with a huge following that's been playing Crab Game with Dream, Corpse, George, Sapnap, pretty much all their friends, while apparently wanting to fuck them too ew :lol:

Adding a stan will be the final nail in the coffin for DSMP, c'mon ClayRay you can do better than this.

Edit: added their Twitch username. OP's post (archive) has more screenshots and even archive links! Proud of you, maintwt autism :)

aww george farting on dream: https://archive.ph/JMua6
eat george: https://archive.ph/TBD9k
dnf fanfic 1: https://archive.ph/RnQkj
dnf fanfic 2: https://archive.ph/9IxEO
drunk dnf: https://archive.ph/vjHO1
more drunk dnf: https://archive.ph/kp7m0

anon truthing dream sexuality/catboy status/dilfiness: https://archive.ph/CI3ep
romanticising gnf: https://archive.ph/LFNsF
anon says grg is in their bed: https://archive.ph/HL609
anon truths grg/addison rae: https://archive.ph/KT53e

dnf fighting over gab: https://archive.ph/wzNuM
GAB X GEORGE BRAINROT: https://archive.ph/2LO2E
"if dream doesnt want gnf can i have him": https://archive.ph/E3znX
dnf hickeys: https://archive.ph/A3aBU
anon thirsting over gnf neck: https://archive.ph/nbQox

dnf fanfics i cant be bothered to organize them: https://archive.ph/VtbXN https://archive.ph/uNcxK https://archive.ph/RixU1 https://archive.ph/DrdHE https://archive.ph/ulZFL https://archive.ph/aFUgd
truthing dnf's irl sexualities as one gay one het: https://archive.ph/8AAeP

i'm latina and i think accusing people by their race in a /neg way sucks, much more so when it's said in a language they might not understand gringo /neg: https://archive.ph/qEjX4 more gringo/neg 1: https://archive.ph/ZmSpj more gringo/neg 2: https://archive.ph/3xwr5

Edit 2: They had a stan account that got deactivated the day they played Crab Game with Dream (web archive)
 
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Wikipedia

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Ya'll gotta remember that Dream has pretty thin and more skin-colored lips. Coleton is pretty similar. Every "faceleak" that there's been of Dream has had full, pink lips, something Clay doesn't have and those aren't something that just grow in, as far as I'm aware.


In other news, the DSMP is dying. The stans admit it, the CC's have made comments on how hard it is to do anything on there, so what do you do to revive it?
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Invite a stan on of course!!! It's not like anything bad could happen, right?
Half of the top replies for Dream's tweet are other content creators who are friends with people like Eret, Tommy, and others. Even Jschlatt's old business partner/scam dealer IamTy is volunteering. All of which is good, they're not insane people. Even the guy who Technoblade fought in the great potato war with is volunteering! Again, that's pretty good! Might make for something remotely interesting to happen on that server!
B u t, the rest of the replies can be seen as something like this:
"omG HI, I'M POC LGBT AND AN ASPIRING CREATOR🥺 I MAKE ART FOR YOU ANDYOUR FRIENDS 🥺 PLEASE VOUCH FOR ME THIS IS MY DREAM I WOULD BE SO GOOD AT LORE OMG🥺DID I MENTION I WAS POC AND LGBT??"
It's even worse considering that the stans who want in are probably those who have "DNI If you support Tommy, Schlatt, Philza, Fundy, Techno, Eret or Hannah Rose😡"
This is a horrible idea all around if a stan gets into the SMP and not a smaller streamer like the ones mentioned above, it's more than likely going to make a lot of things crumble, not just lorewise, but in the lives of the creators as well. Bringing on someone who is obsessed with one of you and hates your other peers is a terrible move. I could see a lot of friendships falling apart if they allow any stan into the inner circle.
It would probably be especially bad for Tommy if they bring in someone who is an "anti" of him. The kid already has broken down on livestream because of the sheer wave of people dogpiling him. If someone like that is brought into his friendcircle, I can't imagine the discord that would cause. The only good thing that would probably come from that is if Tommy and his closer friends possibly split away from the DSMP group and leaving it to flounder about without it's backbone. But still, it's just a reason why bringing a stan on is a horrible idea.

Hopefully Dream has half a brain and vets them to make sure that they're actually sane and not going to go after any of his other creators.
Maybe Dream is doing this intentionally to kill off the DSMP, plausible, what ever ever monetary value is left to be gain from the DSMP is slowly declining. Maybe he just doesn't want to pull the plug just yet to piss off the last remaining fans.

And about the DSMP, its been dead and full of shitty predictable twist. And is only a faction of its once massive fanbase. So far the only part of Dream SMP that has been interesting for the past couple months is probably this short live stream which MichaelMcChill (A relatively new and unknown member of the SMP.) Put together.
 

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Hopefully Dream has half a brain and vets them to make sure that they're actually sane and not going to go after any of his other creators.
I feel like Dream is more than aware what the most active and desperate parts of his fanbase are like by now, especially after the recent false accusations against BBH and Sapnap. Given the true accusations about the former "latest addition to the dsmp", It's most likely that it'll go to a tangentially associated streamer that someone in their circle is already at least somewhat aware of.
Maybe Dream is doing this intentionally to kill off the DSMP, plausible, what ever ever monetary value is left to be gain from the DSMP is slowly declining. Maybe he just doesn't want to pull the plug just yet to piss off the last remaining fans.
I feel like Dream was never doing the DSMP to line his own pockets but mainly just to launch others' careers. It's definitely been dead for a long time, and functioned in a sort of zombie-like status for a long time before that.

Basically, DSMP died with Manburg when the "plot" shifted into something no one could be invested in anymore leaving just the Stans who were never there for substance anyway behind.


The problem with adding new streamers to the DSMP at this point is, they'll log on, do one stream, find fuck all to do and then log off. The interactions between the streamers together are what lead to the emergance of a story that felt organic. That can't happen when it's only randoms logging on once in a blue moon. The DSMP will only be a dusty fame mill from now until they finally decide to shut it down and replace it with something else.
 
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KageBunshin

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So this was mentioned a little while ago on the thread but in case anybody doesn't remember, there was a snapchat account called "manatreed" that was created under dream's phone number back in June. These two photos were posted by the account on snapchat.
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Seemed like just a random guy just looking for attention at first, but dream recently tweeted this (he liked the reply too) and followed manatreed's twitter account.
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I think that it's Punz again:\
 

potsfix

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Interestingly enough, the Manatreed account was discovered months ago by 'leaktwt' , holds a majority 'leaktwt' following and when you follow Manatreed, guess what's suggested to you to follow? A bunch of Leaktwt accounts.
Seems like Dream is stupid enough to interact with an account that leads his stans directly to accounts that hold his own face, and personal info of more or less all of his immediate friends.
Leaktwt has now gone on more or less of a mass lockdown to try and repel any of the (somehow, weirder) stans.

TLDR; Clayton leads his fans to find his own face
 

Melight

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And about the DSMP, its been dead and full of shitty predictable twist. And is only a faction of its once massive fanbase. So far the only part of Dream SMP that has been interesting for the past couple months is probably this short live stream which MichaelMcChill (A relatively new and unknown member of the SMP.) Put together.
True its mostly stuck bc they can't advance anything people care about without techno, who has cancer and probably has other priorities than playing minecraft right now. And anything the background characters do or attempt to do comes short bc it will get shelved or coopted by bigger creators completely throwing original intentions of the rails.

Shit situation will never get better only way out would be a return to improv and making it on the spot which requires people to play on the server which no one does outside of lorestuff
 

purpleflurp

Now with more Flurp!
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Shit situation will never get better only way out would be a return to improv and making it on the spot which requires people to play on the server which no one does outside of lorestuff
Tbh, a map reset might be on the horizon. Converting the world data of larger servers is generally a real bitch, especially in cases like the Dream SMP where you have people exploring and building thousands of blocks away from the spawn. Given they generated everything in a 3k block radius, if they want to take advantage of the new world generation and build limits in 1.18/1.19, they'll need to either move even further away from spawn or just regenerate the world and start from scratch.

Given the lore is currently being written by Wilbur and Techno, it makes sense that things went dry after May/June. Wilbur's been working on Lovejoy's second album the past few months, and Techno has been fighting cancer since his July diagnosis.
 
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True its mostly stuck bc they can't advance anything people care about without techno, who has cancer and probably has other priorities than playing minecraft right now. And anything the background characters do or attempt to do comes short bc it will get shelved or coopted by bigger creators completely throwing original intentions of the rails.

Shit situation will never get better only way out would be a return to improv and making it on the spot which requires people to play on the server which no one does outside of lorestuff
A big problem with the SMP story as well is that everyone wants to be the main character and while before they originally had a channel that would be for plans/lore updates, they basically abandoned it now.

Eret made a tumblr post about the problems the DSMP was facing which I think is the main reason why it died, plus with the streamers not allowed to be on the server without the chat trying to force them to do lore.
[Long post ahead! Sorry! tl;dr at bottom]The issue with creating lore on the Dream SMP is that everyone has to be a main and interesting character. Unlike regular media where you can have background characters who get little screen time and that’s absolutely fine. Since the DSMP is so exclusive, everyone who is part of it wants to have a character with an interesting and engaging backstory and character points. As a result, stories aren’t so much “planned” they are more of a negotiation so that everyone involved can have their moment which makes planning VERY challenging.

It is also unfortunately generally a process that is heavily managed by those with the largest audiences. If content is planned with all the people guaranteed to get at least 100,000 viewers on Twitch, everyone involved is going to benefit more. So it makes sense from a logistical side, it also helps create more of a sense of having “main characters” which helps with ease of story writing, but that does leave people with lower average viewers more on the sidelines of the lore and unable to develop their characters unless they start trying to do stuff outside of the “main lore”.

We do have a #script-plans channel in the discord, but that is talked in only about once per month nowadays. Outside of that, most lore is planned in DMs and group chats and as a result, a lot of people are left out. For example, before the whole Pogtopia war, I really wanted my character to have some sort of redemption arc for my betrayal in the style of Zuko from Avatar the Last Airbender. However, since I was never involved in the preparation and planning of this event, this never ended up happening, so it kind of had to be rushed before the war which I felt was unsatisfying. There was also a time where someone else referenced my character in some of their lore without talking to me about it first and I only found out about it because I saw “Eret” trending on Twitter.

There are so many lore ideas that I’ve had that I thought could be really interesting, for example, I thought that it could be interesting to suggest that when I tried to revive Wilbur back in January 2021, it caused some sort of rift in the spirit realm that caused The Egg’s Bloodvines to start spreading like wild fire. This whole connection could have then been explored more in future lore and really would have brought The Egg plot closer to the “main story” imo. Like imagine trying to reverse engineer the bloodvines to understand the spirit world and reverse death that way or something! But no one but Puffy seemed remotely interested, so nothing happened with that. I’m not the only one who’s had ideas like this just get no attention unfortunately.

I do miss the early days of the DSMP lore where the majority of it was improv. For example, the entire L'manberg side was unaware of my betrayal before I actually betrayed them. All their reactions were genuine surprise and betrayal! After that, plans became a lot more pre-written and people started being unable to get involved for fear of messing up the pre-written script. The whole Saving Michael situation from a few days ago was the first instance of actual improv driving the story of the SMP that I’ve seen and been a part of in a VERY long time! It was fun, though stressful, it reminded me of the early SMP again where if someone had the drive, they could get involved and make their character engaging without worrying about stepping on other people’s toes with pre-written lore and plans. I hope I can turn this into a more interesting story piece, but no one has contacted me about Michael so far.

There is also lore that happens on the server that a lot of us just aren’t aware of for the reasons mentioned above, but there are also about 40 of us in the server, so we can’t keep track of everyone. This is why we ask our viewers as the “hive mind” of chat can generally tell us the correct answer even if there are a few people with wrong info.

In general, interesting lore is very challenging to do on the SMP, especially if you want to get any where near the “main lore” that most people are actually interested in. I hope to think that a lot of this isn’t just exclusion, but it definitely feels like that at times and I know it has alienated a lot of creators from participating in or wanting to participate in lore at all which is incredibly unfortunate as a lot of these characters have SO MUCH potential!

Overall, I do wish creating lore on the SMP was more open and democratic, unfortunately, it’s just a massive challenge as soon as you want to start actually planning it. This is unlike any other form of media, the characters are actual people and you can watch the story from all of their perspectives. All of these people and characters have to interact and drive the story in ways that don’t clash and are interesting and then be able to walk away from the action and continue their own individual story and motives. Imagine a TV show where EVERY character has their own spin of series, everyone from the main “hero” character to the janitor, it’s so hard to manage. This causes things to move SO SLOWLY as it’s impossible to keep track of all this information at such a scale.

Anyway, that’s my piece. I’m sure other creators have their own takes on this situation, but this has been my experience. Hope this helps people understand why lore can be slow to produce but also why some characters don’t get the screentime you hope they’d get. I love the SMP and everyone on it, it’s done so much for me, but eventually you get to a point of wondering whether working on lore is even worth spending the time on if you’re not sure if people will actually want to work with your ideas. I definitely want to do more lore and lore streams, but developing stories that are interesting and actually work towards some sort of goal rather than just people existing and doing things is a big challenge. Sorry for such a long post! Thanks for the question and I hope this gives some understanding of the inner workings of the server. I hope no one finds this upsetting either, sometimes things just work out like this. Please don’t attack anyone over this either!

tl;dr Lore is hard to plan because everyone wants to be an interesting character and the majority of planning doesn’t happen in the server so most people don’t know what future plans are. That’s my perspective at least.

So there’s some big reasons said straight from the source, but it seems like they’re trying to bring improv back, which is good since that should help them make the DSMP fun for the streamers again.
 

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1. Are you joking

2. Drop your leaktwt @



P.S. Put me on top of pyramid please.
Pardon me for being confused, but why would they be joking and why do you seem so defensive about it? Also why would they be in leaktwt? I've seen those pictures of Punz before so it's not exactly underground stuff?
KageBunshin and Unexpected George honestly makes good points, the pictures of "Dream" do look quite a bit like Punz since they have similar smiles and the comparison really hammers that home.
It also wouldn't be the first publicity/face reveal stunt Dream has done with one of his friends either, he did something similar with WilburSoot awhile back where they were teasing a meet up/face reveal before, so it wouldn't be surprising if he did it again.
 

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Since we’re talking about manatreed-punz
Here’s my theory and some observations

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Weird spot on the lip:
Punz has a dark dot spot around the centre top of his lip. I’m not sure what it’s called but whatever. And on the Manatreed photo you can see there’s a weird thing on top of the lip as well. (I turned up the brilliance and sharpness etc So u can see clearer of the dark spot)

Also my theory is that (presuming Manatreed is indeed punz), Manatreed had to cover the side of his face and parts of his nose so that they won’t recognise punz directly as punz usually has a lot of pimples around his cheeks

The nose shape overall:
Actually this can’t really say much as 1. The nose wasn’t fully exposed and the wings of the nose is the most determining thing so you can’t tell. 2. White guys have similar nose

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3. The veins on the hands. Eh, I think the pictures speak for itself. But again this type of veins are not rare, but not common as well. And they both have it very obvious stood out.

Btw I was gonna say the chin and beard part (it looks really similar they both have a very crescent shaped chin and beard pattern) but you can’t really tell as punz didn’t post any hd photos around June/July

Theory 2. Manatreed (presuming punz) wore gloves because he had painted nails then (see his instagram post around June)

Things i can’t really explain and theories:
Where was punz?
iirc Im pretty sure he had mentioned he met up with sapnap once before posting the chairs pics so he may took the photos then and didn’t mention it because he don’t want to draw Manatreeds attention onto him but again I don’t have proof to back up so eh lmk if u know more

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His lips so pink????
Yeah so the lip shape of them both was really similar (look above pic) except that it’s so pink?? I’m guessing either he got lipstick or it a just the light or they turned on the vibrancy.
 

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