Climate change sperging - That thing everyone likes to sperg about when there's nothing more pressing to sperg about

[Super-Chevy454]

Sorry if I posted in the wrong thread and the bump but the zoomers in Switzerland pissed off Greta Thunberg who'll said her catchphrase "How Dare you?" about climate change. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/swiss-reject-climate-change-zoomers-and-millennials-leading-way ( https://archive.ph/3i9MH )

Authored by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk.com,

A climate change referendum in Switzerland just went down in flames led by 18-34 year old voters...

Swiss Reject Climate Change​

Eurointelligence reports Swiss Reject Climate Change

After Switzerland dropped its negotiations with the EU, the country has now rejected a climate-protection law in a referendum. Concretely, they rejected all three parts of the law in separate votes: on CO2, on pesticides, and on drinking water.
We agree with the Swiss journalist Mathieu von Rohr that this failure is not merely important in its own right, but symptomatic for the difficulties facing Green politics in general. It is one thing for people to pretend they support the Green party, especially when it is cool to do so. It is quite another to make actual sacrifices as the Swiss were asked to do.
But what is particularly interesting about this referendum is that the strongest opposition came from young people. 60-70% of the 18-34 year old voted No in the three categories.
Each country is different, but the big yet unanswered question is whether people elsewhere would agree to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. The Swiss referendum tells us we should not take this for granted. The German elections will be the next big test.

Huge Shock​

The referendum Failed 51-49. And it took a crushing rejection by Zoomers and millennials to do it.

The BBC comments on the Huge Shock.

A referendum saw voters narrowly reject the government's plans for a car fuel levy and a tax on air tickets.
The measures were designed to help Switzerland meet targets under the Paris Agreement on climate change.
Opponents also pointed out that Switzerland is responsible for only 0.1% of global emissions, and expressed doubts that such policies would help the environment.
The vote, under Switzerland's system of direct democracy, went 51% against, 49% in favour.
The no-vote to limiting emissions is a huge shock. The Swiss government drafted this law carefully. The plan: to cut greenhouse gases to half their 1990 levels by 2030, using a combination of more renewables and taxes on fossil fuels.
A proposal to outlaw artificial pesticides, and another to improve drinking water by giving subsidies only to farmers who eschew chemicals were both voted down by 61%
Switzerland's system of direct democracy means all major decisions in the Alpine nation are taken at the ballot box.
Campaigners simply have to gather 100,000 signatures to ensure a nationwide vote.

Where is the CO2 Coming From?​

There will be no progress on CO2 emissions until China is on board.



If the US cut its emissions to zero (assuming everything else stayed the same) it would not make much of a dent.

Of course, everything else would not stay the same. If the US cut emissions to zero, the world economy would crash along with food production with obvious ramifications.

Heat Wave ​

Meanwhile there is a heat wave in the US, accompanied with notable howls as if the US could have done something 10 or even 20 years ago.

Texas Blackouts ​

Six days ago, the Texas grid operator urged electricity conservation as many power generators are unexpectedly offline and temperatures rise.

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas said in a statement Monday that a significant number of unexpected power plant outages, combined with expected record use of electricity due to hot weather, has resulted in tight grid conditions. Approximately 12,000 megawatts of generation were offline Monday, or enough to power 2.4 million homes on a hot summer day.

$66 Billion Spent on Renewables Before the Texas Blackouts​

RealClear energy asks Why Was $66 Billion Spent on Renewables Before the Texas Blackouts?

Because Big Wind and Big Solar Got $22 Billion in Subsidies
For every dollar spent by the wind and solar sectors in Texas, they got roughly 33 cents from taxpayers. By any measure, this is an outrageous level of subsidization. And Texans are learning that the tens of billions of dollars spent on wind and solar are not translating into reliable electricity.
On the graphic below, which I retrieved from ERCOT’s website on Wednesday, the black line shows electricity demand. The green line is wind output. On Monday, when demand was hitting 70,000 megawatts, wind output dropped to about 3,000 megawatts. On Tuesday, as power demand was again approaching 70,000 me

 

[Lemmingwise]

That's true, but the length of time which separates the periods where there was ice at the poles from the periods where there wasn't is typically on the order of tens of millions of years:

It's worth keeping in mind with graphs like that is that the recent history is very precise and granular, whereas the past is somewhat imprecise and broad strokes.

If there were big fluctuations we wouldn't know because we weren't there to measure the temperature every day in numerous locations.

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I generally understand the world through seeing what lies there are. What is being censored? What is being covered up?

In the Netherlands we changed some of the locations where we measure the temperature. And because the readings there are different, they readjusted the readings from 50 years of history based on the difference between these locations of 1 year. So no most of the historic readings are modified by an almost arbitrary constonant.

As a result we've gone from historically having 6 to 43 heatwaves. Suddenly it looks like the earth is warming alarmingly. And the researcher who tried pointing the error of this... need I even say what happened?

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

I’m going to agree with @Fanatical Pragmatist that there are lots of other environmental issues in the world that are being sidelined or outright memory-holed because of the climate change grift. Freeman Dyson, a very successful scientist (also inventor of the Dyson Sphere in science fiction) who I had the pleasure of meeting, infamously said this exact thing back in the early 2000s. Nature can adapt and adjust to changing atmospheric carbon better than most other pollutants (heavy metals and mining runoff come to mind for me).

Also going to second @Rusty Crab about trusting science but not scientists. Being educated and employed in that field showed that everyone involved is just as human and prone to manipulation and agenda-pushing as any other field (although STEM folk seem to have bigger egos, probably from decade+ worship by normies/IFLS crowd — not as bad as politicians, but there is a lot of overlap now). The above location changes where temperature is measured mentioned by @Lemmingwise is all too common in scientific research these days.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Sorry if I posted in the wrong thread and the bump but the zoomers in Switzerland pissed off Greta Thunberg who'll said her catchphrase "How Dare you?" about climate change. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/swiss-reject-climate-change-zoomers-and-millennials-leading-way ( https://archive.ph/3i9MH )

Swiss have highest IQ in europe.

 

[Str8Bustah]

I'm just going to drop a recommendation for the Suspicious0bservers youtube channel as I always do in these threads and leave it there. Why waste time on an autistic internet argument when other people have already made the same point but way better than I can?

 

[Lemmingwise]

. Why waste time on an autistic internet argument when other people have already made the same point but way better than I can?

It's fun. Look at all the fun we're having.

 

[thx1138]

Eh, it was "A New Ice Age" when I was a teenager. Then it was "Well, nuclear winter gonna kill us all." the first turned out to be false. The second turned out to be a lie. Sagan and his peers deliberately manipulated data to make a worst-case scenario pitch about nuclear winter. I don't want to say "A nuclear war would have been wonderful," obviously it would have been unimaginably awful but Sagan did it to push a unilateral disarmament agenda that would've left the west defenseless. MAD only works when the "M" part is in place. I mean, did the people who made that up think that if everyone in the west had thrown all their nukes into the sea that the Soviets would have, too?

Anyway, moving right along...then there's Global Warming. That's what it was in the 90s. Global Warming! I remember sitting on the freeway, listening to either Hannity or Limbaugh play a recording from some guy who'd said in like...1995? or so that by 2000 there'd be no glaciers on Everest. Well...there they still are. So they switched from "Global Warming" to "climate change". Yeah the fucking climate changes, it's called "weather". Did you notice how fast the leaked "climategate" emails got buried? Until the people responsible for telling lies, lies that were exposed in those emails, can explain why they lied, what they stood to gain from lying and fearmongering, I flat out refuse to change one iota of what I do or how I do it. They fucking lied in those emails and said "Boy howdy if it ever gets out that we're manipulating data, people are gonna want to lynch us!" I guess they didn't count on such a compliant media. The whole thing is about control, anyway. Live in your pod, eat the bugs, own nothing, do as we say, it's to save the Earth, you dummy! That's been their marching tune all along. It's just about control.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

The whole thing is about control, anyway. Live in your pod, eat the bugs, own nothing, do as we say, it's to save the Earth, you dummy!

It's so tempting to reply to them with this: "If a big asteroid or meteor hit the Earth, do you think then we wasted our time to save the Earth?".

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

The planet will live on without us no matter what we do, but that doesn't mean we will. Lot of problems come from global rises in temperature. It effects migration patterns for animals, causes extreme weather conditions, causes shifts in local biomes and damages undersea life especially. Coral bleaching is an extremely, alarmingly common problem now, that and micro plastics in the oceans.
Climate change is a major problem and is very dangerous. The idiots have made a lot of people believe it isn't through their retarded behavior.

That was one of the things that I liked from that book I mentinoed earlier this thread "State of Fear". People love to say shit like "we're destroying the planet" when that couldn't be further from the truth. With all our destructive capabilites we coudn't even destroy the planet if we wanted to.

We're just making it more inhospitable to ourslves. I know that can seem like a petty difference, but it really speaks to how full of ourselves we are.