Closed Species - Pay $500 to draw a bedazzled fox

[Pukebucket]

I could have sworn like at the beginning they weren't always open.

Maybe they weren't at first, but whatever the case they seem to be open to the public now.
I think at most fans might have a shitfit if you make a sergal that breaks canon rules? idk

I also somewhat remember Sergals being a closed species at first, or at least that there were canon rules to creation, but I got the impression nobody gave a fuck because the creator was Japanese and didn't speak fluent English, so international fans just took the concept and ran with it.

 

[Blacklight]

I also somewhat remember Sergals being a closed species at first, or at least that there were canon rules to creation, but I got the impression nobody gave a fuck because the creator was Japanese and didn't speak fluent English, so international fans just took the concept and ran with it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the original sergals fucking weird? Like vore centric and shit like that?

 

[ScrapBuyer]

I'm gonna see if I can dig it up, but I once found someone on deviantart who was straight-up selling closed species. like making concepts and trait lists and auctioning off the species themselves. the winner gets to be the owner and curate them and stuff. the art was solid, but that idea...

they had like a new one each day and every one of them was just as convoluted and unoriginal as the last

 

[Hibiscus Rosa-Sinensis]

On mobile, so digging is a bit of a hassle.
Here is a toyhouse-centred drama blog that occasionally features some closed species drama, for those who want to pull from here.
Linked the tag that tends to have images/proof/context, and thus more relevant closed species action.
Might be some overlap with the closed species drama blog. As always, remember to archive.

You do get to see some exceptional toyhouse users freak out over closed species on this blog, though.

 

[stupid fuck]

sometimes i feel i've got a good understanding of online furry horseshit, then i find a treasure trove of autism like this and i just feel like a boomer discovering facebook for the first time

 

[Pukebucket]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the original sergals fucking weird? Like vore centric and shit like that?

Yeah I remember that as well; vore, rape, and weird tongue-clitori; I'm pretty sure the latter is still considered canon. Back then it was weird, sure, but that was also when Chakats were popular and loli was considered a fetish for normies so not that weird all things considered.

Edit: The 2000s to 2010s were a nightmare of rampant weirdo behavior, is basically where I'm going with this.

 

[AutisticFatPig]

Anyone posted about Alecani? Literally dog with wings.
Good art and nice worldbuilding, but seriously, the artist (Wolf-Nymph/Katie Hofgard) claims they are a closed species.
Cats too.

Anthro winged dogs/cats with real world fur patterns on some.
The originality is incredible.

(Off topic, artist is kinda lolsy imho - very touchy about critique or other opinions)

Edit: I knew I remembered another expensive closed species.
Anyone know of PhloxeButt and his 'mantibabs'?
Flat rates of 300 a pop.

I mean, they're cute in a way, but not 300+ cute. Just a fluffy weird deer with paws.

 

[Boobie Bomb]

morning mass reply time

Thanks for the resource. I'll definitely be using that going forward.



I can't believe I forgot to mention those, since they seem to be one of the most well-known closed species. I'll mention the thread in the OP.


I'll definitely add a mention of offbrands, since those seem to be an interesting can of worms. I'd love to see the shitstorms surrounding these donut steels.


Just a heads up, you might want to start archiving stuff using a site like archive.md in the future. (late) Welcome to the farms by the way!
With that said, it's laughable how protective he is over what is essentially a rip-off of a mythological creature.


Holy shit, those are the very dictionary definition of "overdesigned". Will be mentioning as an example of a high price tag.


I'll definitely look into that, since it seems to be a huge breeding ground for lolcows. Also holy shit, most of these designs are abhorrent.

I'm also going to add stuff like the """"legal"""" aspects of closed species and how the community uses social shaming to enforce its ridiculous price tags. Thanks for the information guys

True that.

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Saved!

 

[titty skeleton]

If I remember right, either @CIA Nigger or someone else in the Furry Fandom General posted something about a huge ring and telegram group dedicated to some adoptable or closed species shit a few months back. This could have been before the turn of the year or sometime closer to now, I've been searching for it and can't find it. It was about people who suck up an artists' new adoptables/closed species and collect them for no good reason, plus the regular inter-community slapfights and unpersoning. It's highly likely it was Adagio since the way the paragraph on her is written in the OP is what made me remember the post, but either I'm searching the wrong terms, the post was moved from FFG or I'm just retarded because I can't find it any more. If anyone knows the post I'm referring to then drop it here if it isn't already the Adagio part.

 

[BoobWhiskers]

What confuses me about these things are not the people creating them - I respect the hustle - it's who would pay $1200 for the right to draw a sparkledog? What would you even do with it? Think what else you could do with $1200. Even if you don't spend it on, say, a games console with more games than you could ever play, or your first car, or a holiday, even if you were going to be a complete DA autismo trying to flex on other DA autismos, for $1200 you could design your own sparkledog, pay someone to animate a show about it, and get a one-of-a-kind statue of the thing, and probably have change left over. If you did that there's a small chance that someone outside a handful of DA tards would ever see it, too.

Someone who is young enough or low-functioning enough to think that $1200 is a reasonable price to pay for someone else's pixels is surely too young or low-functioning to have $1200 lying around anyway. It makes my brain throw a cog, it really does.

Oh it's 100% a wierd combination of shopping addiction, dick waving, and almost like... investment (and autism, LOTS of autism). A lot of the people who buy these things don't actually DO anything with them, it's all about chasing the high of having snagged that desirable design from a big name creator. The type who buy this shit generally have a toyhou.se account stuffed with hundreds of characters, and a lot of times there'll be just that single image without even having any story, info, anything filled out beyond that initial image. A lot of the time they don't AT ALL have the money to be making purchases like this, but they'll keep buying anyways. They'll sell last week's design to put a payment plan down on this week's, sell those 'co-own' rights, etc etc. It's very much a hoarding thing.

Of the people I knew who were into this (and trust me, they were ALL exceptional), you'd be amazed how they would beg, barter, and grift to get their hands on these things. They'll make friendships to try and get their hands on favors and freebies, make their own species hoping to hit it big as the hot new thing to fund their habit, etc etc. Most of the ones who are into the big expensive things are wildly irresponsible, I knew a trust fund kid who'd buy them for herself and her friends like candy, I knew an unemployed welfare queen with multiple kids who would brag about her latest acquisition in the same journal post as saying they were skipping meals and tens of thousands deep in credit card debt. They're all that particular flavor of overgrown woman child who lurks on DA trying to be queen bee to a clock of teenagers, surprising nobody.

I'm gonna see if I can dig it up, but I once found someone on deviantart who was straight-up selling closed species. like making concepts and trait lists and auctioning off the species themselves. the winner gets to be the owner and curate them and stuff. the art was solid, but that idea...

they had like a new one each day and every one of them was just as convoluted and unoriginal as the last

Oh yeah, this is very much a thing. Dont remember any specifics but yeah, I've come across accounts on DA that will do like three doodles of vague horse/dog/cat mashups and then sell those as packaged up concept art/examples for someone to build a species around. They'd pump out hundreds of them, and it was clearly just someone who liked to doodle indeterminate creature mashups and figured out how to make mad bank off it.

 

[Madam Nekromantik]

A lot of this stuff reminds me of sites like Gaia, or those sites where people could breed pets that had weird markings. I remember some people would put in a lot of time and money for pixel art. One thing I don't get with these adoptables is that they have rare traits. That makes sense in a game where you make pets and there is a small chance that you'll get some rare pattern or color, but not with something that drawn. Like many have pointed out there is nothing stopping anyone for drawing their own super special sparkle dog with a rare hair style and ears.

 

[Ozul]

Huh. The only one I remember that was (still is?) popular were those dutch angel dragons. Are they still a thing?
The whole "closed species" thing is just a money making racket that uses exclusivity to sell it. And you should see some peoples "collections"... they will literally have 100's of adopts that are now deemed worthless because they aren't new anymore or the newest fad. Ridiculous to spend money on virtual goods that hold no resale value.

 

[Y2K Baby]

This is the future of capitalism,..,...
@tuscangarder
Woa...

 

[Uncle Warren]

The irony here is that anyone can make any of these closed species. It's kind of funny how the term "copyright" seems to change drastically in the furry community.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Yeah I remember that as well; vore, rape, and weird tongue-clitori; I'm pretty sure the latter is still considered canon. Back then it was weird, sure, but that was also when Chakats were popular and loli was considered a fetish for normies so not that weird all things considered.

I remember some tard fights online over "canon sergals" because unoriginal furries liked the design to the point where it became the trendiest fad species quickly, and they ended up taking way too many artistic liberties with how they made their characters.

If I remember right, either @CIA nigga or someone else in the Furry Fandom General posted something about a huge ring and telegram group dedicated to some adoptable or closed species shit a few months back. This could have been before the turn of the year or sometime closer to now, I've been searching for it and can't find it. It was about people who suck up an artists' new adoptables/closed species and collect them for no good reason, plus the regular inter-community slapfights and unpersoning. It's highly likely it was Adagio since the way the paragraph on her is written in the OP is what made me remember the post, but either I'm searching the wrong terms, the post was moved from FFG or I'm just exceptional because I can't find it any more. If anyone knows the post I'm referring to then drop it here if it isn't already the Adagio part.

I know for a fact that @Cuddly Pirate knows way too much about some famous open/closed species drama, in particular with Sergals since he started that thread. The Sergal community in particular is a goldmine of crazy and eventually became known as a joke of a species as edgelord furries would use them.

 

[Just Another Furgag Alog]

Spoiler: Dogs with pillows tails

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I also like to mention the owner of Pillowings, Clovercoin/Flipsideup. Apparently they likes draw wired porn usually involving shit like bestiality, rape and incest . She also likes to sperg out at the people the call her out for her "art" and call her detractors"purity crusaders" as seen bellow.
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Fortunately it looks like most her disgusting porn is only available though there Subscribestar but its still pretty creepy coming form an artist that made a child friendly species like pillowings.

That's actually completely expected at this point, at least for me. The more innocuous a closed species is, the creeper the shit the creator is into. Like Dutch Angel Dragons and how the creator and her husband are into horse snuff. And also friends with several zoophiles.

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

That's actually completely expected at this point, at least for me. The more innocuous a closed species is, the creeper the shit the creator is into. Like Dutch Angel Dragons and how the creator and her husband are into horse snuff. And also friends with several zoophiles.

Didn't KindKabsCorner drop some shit that kinda tied them to Zoosadism a while ago and then get dunked on because people thought she was reaching?

 

[Kot Johansson]

Some of this really looks like some sort of money laundering shit, how else would you explain people selling & buying retarded furry characters for hundreds or even thousands of bucks?

 

[Shaka Brah]

I also somewhat remember Sergals being a closed species at first, or at least that there were canon rules to creation, but I got the impression nobody gave a fuck because the creator was Japanese and didn't speak fluent English, so international fans just took the concept and ran with it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the original sergals fucking weird? Like vore centric and shit like that?

I remember some tard fights online over "canon sergals" because unoriginal furries liked the design to the point where it became the trendiest fad species quickly, and they ended up taking way too many artistic liberties with how they made their characters.


I know for a fact that @Cuddly Pirate knows way too much about some famous open/closed species drama, in particular with Sergals since he started that thread. The Sergal community in particular is a goldmine of crazy and eventually became known as a joke of a species as edgelord furries would use them.

This is going to be pretty autistic so bear with me.

Sergals were a big fad on 4chan's /tg/ board and the (notoriously furry) /tg/chan quest imageboard several years ago. They originated as just one of several weird bespoke fantasy species for an obscure fantasy universe called Vilous, and came in two variations based on their geographic location in the setting. Why they became popular and the universe itself didn't I'm not entirely sure, but other species such as "Nevreans" (bird-like creatures) never seemed to gain the memetic popularity that sergals did.

The Vilous universe does have a rather autistic biology for its species, and from what I understand the treatment of divergent fanworks used to be worse. There was a funny meme at the time where people would draw sergal-crossover art like Sergal-Ponies (MLP) or Sergal-Airplanes (airplane fandom) and put tongue-in-cheek identification numbers on them like how a VIN is stamped onto a car body. People would go around posting these being like "Ah yes, I own the 6969th Sergal Pony, look at its unique coloration!" It was a way of taunting the people proud of their "authentic" Sergal artwork.

Right now the fanworks policy is listed on the Vilous website with much fewer overtly onerous rules, but you can catch a few requests that signal how nasty the community is.

 

[awoo]

wtf is this

I can a get a counterfeit sparkledog now?