Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

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This has gotten a lot more hilarious to me now; looks like the thots are figuring that the comic nerds are perfect paypig material. Now let's see how that plays out Cotton.
Looking on the positive side
1) Donal Delay no longer holds the title of 'best tits in comicsgate'.
2) It's about time comicsgate got it's very own Chuck (chick) Tingle!


 

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I have no idea but Mandy needs to get better control of her simp because Peter Gilmore just registered a "HPornosaur" twitter account ostensibly for cross-promotion purposes but in reality just floods Mandy's twitter feed with retweeted hardcorn porn and screencaps of her tits.

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I just "love" how Ethan is ok with this thot. Course though she helps bring in money as well as she is stupid enough to funnel money into Ethan's pocket along with all the others in the "CG Family"......... and this is someone who "puts out" a comic meant for kids based on her and her daughter's stories and ideas. She may as well be a female version of "TUG" though Mandy is a single mother (unless she lies and she is actually married? It wouldn't be the first time having someone who pretends they are not married to someone....... ). Her comic is shit looking, but again yet, she has the EVS approval (at the moment)...........

I am still waiting though on something else. @FROG thinks that animation of Cecil's was just fine and funny, but I want to know though would that dipshit still feel the same if it was an animation of that being done to Andrea...... would Ethan think it is funny? Or would he shit himself like usual over it being done to his wife? I am betting he would shit himself and demand an "apology" etc if anyone ever did that........ but my thing is.... what if WC decided to do that? Would he then have the "balls" to stand against WC over it???? I ask you this Ethan, but I will say that even I wouldn't be ok with something like that if someone decided to do such an animation like that about your wife. So basically, I am saying your being fine with the trash cartoon Cecil had done wasn't and still isn't ok even if you are jealous and hateful of Doug, Mike, Edwin.... etc.

Let me also say this, I had once almost thought of backing Blood Honey back when I still had been a follower of "Tug's" channel before figuring out he is a douche bag (a little more careful at hiding it compared to you)...... but just after barely listening in on one of your shows...... seeing just how much a narcissist you are and have this "god" complex and then your little "I am humble".......... it turned me away from supporting your comic and I am glad for it even more as I see how you are far worse than anything I have seen come from those who work for DC or Marvel. You claim to be better and part of the "salvation" of comics, but you aren't. You won't ever be even if the money keeps pouring in and not to mention I want to know how many of those numbers of backers now are repeats of the same people just doing different orders to up the backer count? And again, so what about the numbers..... "Last Jedi" among other movies that made lots of money turned out to be shitty..... and Blood Honey came out shitty and fluted....... I had to laugh when you opened the one copy you were "reading" last night and seeing the fucking fluting and you acting like it is a thing of beauty.

Anyways.......
 
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I just "love" how Ethan is ok with this thot. Course though she helps bring in money as well as she is stupid enough to funnel money into Ethan's pocket along with all the others in the "CG Family"......... and this is someone who "puts out" a comic meant for kids based on her and her daughter's stories and ideas. She may as well be a female version of "TUG" though Mandy is a single mother (unless she lies and she is actually married? It wouldn't be the first time having someone who pretends they are not married to someone....... ). Her comic is shit looking, but again yet, she has the EVS approval (at the moment)...........

I am still waiting though on something else. @FROG thinks that animation of Cecil's was just fine and funny, but I want to know though would that dipshit still feel the same if it was an animation of that being done to Andrea...... would Ethan think it is funny? Or would he shit himself like usual over it being done to his wife? I am betting he would shit himself and demand an "apology" etc if anyone ever did that........ but my thing is.... what if WC decided to do that? Would he then have the "balls" to stand against WC over it???? I ask you this Ethan, but I will say that even I wouldn't be ok with something like that if someone decided to do such an animation like that about your wife. So basically, I am saying your being fine with the trash cartoon Cecil had done wasn't and still isn't ok even if you are jealous and hateful of Doug, Mike, Edwin.... etc.

Let me also say this, I had once almost thought of backing Blood Honey back when I still had been a follower of "Tug's" channel before figuring out he is a douche bag (a little more careful at hiding it compared to you)...... but just after barely listening in on one of your shows...... seeing just how much a narcissist you are and have this "god" complex and then your little "I am humble".......... it turned me away from supporting your comic and I am glad for it even more as I see how you are far worse than anything I have seen come from those who work for DC or Marvel. You claim to be better and part of the "salvation" of comics, but you aren't. You won't ever be even if the money keeps pouring in and not to mention I want to know how many of those numbers of backers now are repeats of the same people just doing different orders to up the backer count? And again, so what about the numbers..... "Last Jedi" among other movies that made lots of money turned out to be shitty..... and Blood Honey came out shitty and fluted....... I had to laugh when you opened the one copy you were "reading" last night and seeing the fucking fluting and you acting like it is a thing of beauty.

Anyways.......
It looked like he disavowed it immediately. This level of thottery is even too much for him. From the looks of those screencaps off twitter it makes me scared to look down the rabbit hole to see the thirsty paypiggies responses.

I backed bloodhoney and my copy looks fine. It has a full page headshot sketch of cyberfrog when I was expecting a corner box sketch. Had it actually came out on time instead of endless YouTube hours and 6+ variant campaigns I might have backed the new projects.
Do you hate watch him on youtube for the purposes of self outrage?
All I see is if you help these thots they will turn on you. Backstabbing self serving e-girls looking for thirstbucks.
Try not to get so mad about this clown show. These neckbeard losers are paying for your entertainment as the public display of self humiliation is a thing of beauty.
Using kids stories to evolve into erotic tales is the ultimate lol as the "leaders" struggle to maintain any shred of decency they have after greenlighting and promoting this rubbish.
It's extremely hard to outdo SJW mainstream when it comes to shitting on customers only a few CG campaigns even come close.
 
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In Lady Alchemy news, after securing a powerful pet simp in Kyle Ritter, Martina Markota has been crowned "Queen of WARCAMPAIGN" by Ro Kabir and, fittingly, she has started her rule in true WC style by posting shops of her former artist and the Dick Show producer having gay sex after an inaugural speech about how groypers and tradcaths like them "essentially are gay men that hate anything feminine and prefer either cat bois, trannies, or underage girls over a real woman" (true) . Long may She reign.

But this title is (god knows why) not uncontested. Armed with her own pet simp in Peter Gilmore, top CG e-girl Mandy Summers, having bested weak contenders like ComicbookgirlAva and Nerdette (FUG doesn't qualify), has decided to take a page out of Ya Boi Zack's book by surprise releasing her own erotica book "Hardcore Pornosaurus" available on Amazon Kindle. In the face of dino-on-woman sex, Anti-CG reactions have ceased being enraged at Comicsgate with this development and can now be best described as "confused" and "scared".

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But, as those of us familiar with e-girls know, in the end there's only room for one woman at the top of the online nerd pyramid.
Will the more, uh, let's go with worldly Martina wrest this crown, or will the southern charm and more wholesome, innocent thottery of Mandy win the day? We'll see.
Nope, nothing off-putting here. If you'll excuse me I need to go vomit.
 

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It looked like he disavowed it immediately. This level of thottery is even too much for him. From the looks of those screencaps off twitter it makes me scared to look down the rabbit hole to see the thirsty paypiggies responses.

I backed bloodhoney and my copy looks fine. It has a full page headshot sketch of cyberfrog when I was expecting a corner box sketch. Had it actually came out on time instead of endless YouTube hours and 6+ variant campaigns I might have backed the new projects.
Do you hate watch him on youtube for the purposes of self outrage?
All I see is if you help these thots they will turn on you. Backstabbing self serving e-girls looking for thirstbucks.
Try not to get so mad about this clown show. These neckbeard losers are paying for your entertainment as the public display of self humiliation is a thing of beauty.
Using kids stories to evolve into erotic tales is the ultimate lol as the "leaders" struggle to maintain any shred of decency they have after greenlighting and promoting this rubbish.
It's extremely hard to outdo SJW mainstream when it comes to shitting on customers only a few CG campaigns even come close.
Nah, I just periodically check and see what they all are shitting themselves over and usually if I happen to notice some Twitter posts by people Ethan is jealous and hateful of and check to see him do his usual.... jumping on youtube to do a 6 hour long cry fest over his hurt fee fees. Most of this stuff is their own doing. You spend so much time raging on the same shit nonstop..... you treat customers prior or future ones like shit...... spend hours posting or being ok with dildo memes being posted online........ and yet he thinks everyone has to "love him" for it all and that he is some kind of wonderful "gift from God". This coming from a man that sings things like "Daddy can't rape us all". Can you imagine if his kids ever found out this kind of shit about their dad? I feel bad for them. I feel bad for "TUG" and "Lola's" kids as well..... and any of the rest of that "cult" that might have kids with such shitty behaving so called "adults" / parents.
 

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I just "love" how Ethan is ok with this thot. Course though she helps bring in money as well as she is stupid enough to funnel money into Ethan's pocket along with all the others in the "CG Family"......... and this is someone who "puts out" a comic meant for kids based on her and her daughter's stories and ideas. She may as well be a female version of "TUG" though Mandy is a single mother (unless she lies and she is actually married? It wouldn't be the first time having someone who pretends they are not married to someone....... ). Her comic is shit looking, but again yet, she has the EVS approval (at the moment)...........

I am still waiting though on something else. @FROG thinks that animation of Cecil's was just fine and funny, but I want to know though would that dipshit still feel the same if it was an animation of that being done to Andrea...... would Ethan think it is funny? Or would he shit himself like usual over it being done to his wife? I am betting he would shit himself and demand an "apology" etc if anyone ever did that........ but my thing is.... what if WC decided to do that? Would he then have the "balls" to stand against WC over it???? I ask you this Ethan, but I will say that even I wouldn't be ok with something like that if someone decided to do such an animation like that about your wife. So basically, I am saying your being fine with the trash cartoon Cecil had done wasn't and still isn't ok even if you are jealous and hateful of Doug, Mike, Edwin.... etc.

Let me also say this, I had once almost thought of backing Blood Honey back when I still had been a follower of "Tug's" channel before figuring out he is a douche bag (a little more careful at hiding it compared to you)...... but just after barely listening in on one of your shows...... seeing just how much a narcissist you are and have this "god" complex and then your little "I am humble".......... it turned me away from supporting your comic and I am glad for it even more as I see how you are far worse than anything I have seen come from those who work for DC or Marvel. You claim to be better and part of the "salvation" of comics, but you aren't. You won't ever be even if the money keeps pouring in and not to mention I want to know how many of those numbers of backers now are repeats of the same people just doing different orders to up the backer count? And again, so what about the numbers..... "Last Jedi" among other movies that made lots of money turned out to be shitty..... and Blood Honey came out shitty and fluted....... I had to laugh when you opened the one copy you were "reading" last night and seeing the fucking fluting and you acting like it is a thing of beauty.

Anyways.......
You have to be the dumbest inbred fuck here on Kiwifarms, and that's saying something. Geekthulu is here now.
 

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You have to be the dumbest inbred fuck here on Kiwifarms, and that's saying something. Geekthulu is here now.
LMAO. See...... you seriously don't have the balls to admit that in all honesty that cartoon of Cecil's was and is done in bad taste. Man, I bet your wife would love knowing they mean more to you than she does since you refuse to answer my question knowing it would then mean you would have to call Cecil out for that cartoon and WC for their dildo memes. You sir are a fucking coward. LMAO.
 

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Ethan van Sciver
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LMAO. See...... you seriously don't have the balls to admit that in all honesty that cartoon of Cecil's was and is done in bad taste. Man, I bet your wife would love knowing they mean more to you than she does since you refuse to answer my question knowing it would then mean you would have to call Cecil out for that cartoon and WC for their dildo memes. You sir are a fucking coward. LMAO.
Can I ask you: Who is going after anyone's wife? No, it wouldn't be okay for anyone to make cruel memes of anyone's family. That's way below the belt.

How is that the same as a cartoonist drawing a cartoon about another cartoonist?
 
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Can I ask you: Who is going after anyone's wife? No, it wouldn't be okay for anyone to make cruel memes of anyone's family. That's way below the belt.

How is that the same as a cartoonist drawing a cartoon about another cartoonist?
Wow.... thanks for finally answering, but as usual you deflect things. You are pathetic Ethan. You know exactly that it's wrong and that it went too far. But this is the kind of stupidity/ immaturity and excuse I would expect you to try to justify that shit with. Whether someone is inbred or not (which I am not) that person would still be considered a better human being compared to you.
 
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At some point. But I'd like to explore this hypothesis first.

Honestly, there's times where Comicsgate feels like an Alternate Reality Game. Like there's this greater story to what's happening, but you have to pick up on the right clues and follow them where they lead to understand it. It's clear the people involved are talented creative professionals, explaining their behavior and reactions is difficult outside of a very narrow context.

I'm not convinced Mike S. Miller is a true person, I've been looking for his face in old photos. I've found pictures of someone who looks like him, but nothing before his split with the mainstream comic industry that made me say that's him. There is not a lot of evidence for the existence of Mike outside the historical name that appears on a series of comic books. If someone was going to create a false identity, this would have been the perfect name to work with.

So we have these different personas we know as Mike S. Miller. There's Mike the Comic Book Artist, the person we see on videos and Twitter arguing with Twitter. Let's call that the surface, he's portrayed as an attempt as a culture warrior and crowdfunder.

Then there's Mike the Creator, the one running the show, taking very provocative actions that disrupt movements and create new and exciting business models like the one we have on display. Let's call that persona the Creator, he's the one running these crowdfunding campaigns that never get fulfilled.

It's hard to reconcile the two. Most people are motivated by self-interest, especially conservatives, who the Surface persona claims to be. This persona was benefiting substantially from a relationship with EVS, the decision to part ways can't be explained in terms of dollars. If he were a person, Mike would have known where his bread was buttered. Instead, we have this persona pursuing low-dollar crowdfunding campaigns that are never delivered. There's a non-sequitur there, something inexplicable about the actions of the Surface persona. The betrayal of trust of his peers, the timing of the break with CG, the decision to move away from a lucrative position after being chased out from one that didn't pay as well - this isn't how real people behave.

The question I'm struggling with: who created these Mike personas and why? There's a couple explanations I'm considering, and I would love help from other people on the Farms:

- There is a person maybe named Mike S. Miller, who is the creator, who is pursuing an expression of artistic vision. I don't see how that person would stand to benefit from this effort, but it's hard to explain sophisticated artistic projects.

- There's a persona run by another creator, who is an artist and has created professional works in the past, who has a political agenda. This other creator brought in an actor to play the Surface persona and has been running him for several years.

I'm leaning towards the later and believe the person who may be running the Creator persona is Doug Tenapel. He has a political agenda, he's been active in Hollywood for decades, and entertainment industry professionals do this sort of thing from time to time. Doug also has the financial resources to carry this out. That would explain the lack of outrage over Mike S. Miller's failure to deliver on 7 campaigns, no one bitches because he's paying the bill through multiple accounts.

But the former is plausible as well. I'm watching more and more of his videos looking for tells. Edwin is in on it too, he would have to be the Tony Clifton to Mike's Andy Kaufman.
Yeah, it's possible I'm seeing something that's not there and a real-world person named Mike just made a series of baffling decisions that can't be explained by conventional thought. Maybe that person is a sociopath acting in opposition to self-interest at every turn.

But there is plenty of evidence to suggest the thing we see in Mike S. Miller videos does not exist. Either we're watching a performance artist carry out their work, an actor hired to play a part in some larger campaign, or something else that can't yet be explained. What I'm saying is each of these explanations is just as plausible - probably moreso - as accepting there's a real world person named Mike S. Miller. This persona and the story behind its existence, is much, much more interesting than those preening Blacklist Universe videos.

There's reasons to take this theory seriously. We live in a world of politicized social media, gay ops, anonymous accounts, and SJWs. Renfamous isn't a real person, it's someone named Lauren Cooper who likely works for Weber-Shanwick seeking to influence public opinion in entertainment. SJW Spiderman and SJW Captain America aren't real people, they are just anonymous schill accounts that are likely working a long game to alienate audiences off floppies and onto movies with very different cultural norms than most people would consider acceptable. Tess Fowler is a real person, but her attacks on talent are ideologically motivated attempts at gatekeeping designed to cement her own position in this dying industry. Under this backdrop, is it really such a reach to assume someone is running a counter op under the identity of a right-wing creator? Or that a performance artist is responding to all this stuff going on by creating a no-fulfillment model of entertainment?

People don't live in silos. People live in the real world and their actions are guided by motivations that become the story of their lives. Each of us possesses a set of strengths and weaknesses that are under our direct control. But then there are these external factors outside their exclusive domain, the real world opportunities and threats one responds to in order to gain some advantage. The majority of people respond the same way to external factors, absent some force compelling them to change their behavior. Identifying these forces and how they are able to influence people tells you what's really going on.

Let's focus on the external factors for a moment and get past the surface level details. Let's get a little nuanced and try to ignore the conspiracy-theory disbelief that comes with conversations lacking direct evidence. Examine the way this Mike persona operates in the real world and how people respond.

Hollywood was started by conservatives. They are still around in force, I talk to them from time to time. Not actors, but money and production people, sometimes merchandisers. They would like Hollywood to better reflect traditional values because that sells product. They engage in all kinds of marketing, sometimes including performance marketing where they pay a social media influencer to say nice things about their product. They talk about comic books all the time and have a totally different perspective than the average fan. It's a media juggernaut that can be packaged any way they want and create an unlimited amount of products. They are concerned about Marvel Phase 4, they've known about it for a long time and see the creatives as a threat. They can't sell gay relationships, and these are going to be the focus of the stories. They complain about United Artists and say it all went south once the actors took over.

For these guys, it's only one step further than what they are already doing to create a persona that represents a certain set of values, direct it to plant a flag and see what happens. This supports the Mike-the-Creator as an actor theory, the person we see on the videos is being run by a set of interests. They want to combat the moral defecation they see coming from Hollywood, and they maybe want to see a different set of properties emerge that can be marketed in the future. If Marvel flops - and I believe it will, they are burning a lot of goodwill - Hollywood is not going to move away from super hero media. They are going to find new IPs to move on.

On the other hand, consider Mike-the-Creator as a serious performance artist. This is a person working without financial reward. If he's not motivated by money, then what causes him to do what he does? Small business owners, entrepreneurs, people who have a good thing going - they know not to burn their marketing. That's the lifeblood of the business, that's how they feed their families.

Breaking from Comicsgate - the only motivation I can see is vision. Not principle. The thing we call Mike S. Miller had a larger platform being on Ethan's channel than what he has without it. If there was a person named Mike S. Miller and he wanted to argue principle, he had a great way to do it and an audience eager to hear what he had to say. But this persona had to go beyond the constraints of the platform / delivery model and start doing something truly original and visionary that is completed divided from the revenue stream it had tapped into. Right now, this thing is running 7 crowdfunded campaigns for comic books that have not been delivered. It's messaging real-world customers that the artist is not available to produce their comics. In the comments sections of its crowdfunding campaigns, this thing we call Mike is telling people their money will not be refunded, that the game is on and they are along for the ride.

And he gets no criticism for failing to deliver. That's a big clue as to what's going on. This board exists because people were shrieking about Cyberfrog fulfillment and the fights that ensued. Mike has 7 campaigns, some of which have been closed more than a year, and no one says anything. I assume comicsgate audiences are authentic and sincere, the majority of people funding these campaigns are something else. Either they are fake accounts funded by Hollywood to prop up an alternative to mainstream comics, something like a focus group. Or they are supporters who see the artistic vision, they don't complain because they are watching something deeply satisfying that has nothing to do with delivery of comic books.

Both of these scenarios explains the thing we call Mike S. Miller better than the surface-level details. I personally believe there was once a person named Mike S. Miller, he worked in mainstream comics and was cancelled. That person left the building a long time ago, the persona was taken over by something different and we didn't notice when it happened. What we're seeing is a marketing campaign. The question is why does it exist, and to what end?

Another theory shared with me in DMs - one that impresses me a lot less - is that Mike S. Miller is a creation of Ethan Van Sciver. He needed other creators to foster the image of a 'universe' being created, so he hired these actors to play parts and has been doing the art himself. That would explain the delays in producing his own books. When Renfamous started to fade he engineered a schism to protect the sense of controversy that supports Comicsgate.

I don't accept this theory but consider it valuable as a counterpoint to the others. Maybe @FROG wants to chime in and go on record to offer some perspective.

Leaving you with this, one of the most perplexing Blacklist Universe videos I've seen. Suggesting you watch it on 2x speed with closed captions on, you pick up on more details that way.


The thing called Mike is gloating over its new merchandise store. The store doesn't deliver comics, it's a platform that takes art from thing Mike and puts it on merchandise. This thing called Mike obsessively oogles the automatically-generated images of products that can be made; but who would buy them? There's a pretty nuanced question being posed. If no one buys a product, what does it become? In the absence of a transaction, are you really merchandizing? This particular store is print on demand, there never is any actual product, he's produced this ephemeral marketplace where business will never occur.

The thing called Mike is talking about just-in-time delivery and supply chains. This struck me more as a meditation on globalization and the reality of modern business. The thing called Mike is really saying there's nothing there, form and substance are disconnected in a way the Bauhaus artists could only dream of. We're seeing more minimalization showcased in a way that makes the brand appear bountiful, even though it's not there and never will be. The thing is asking where is the value, what are we paying for? The whole video really screwed with my perceptions, I legitimately can't accept there is an authentic human being making this video non-ironically. It's not bullshit, it's just that the words mean something very different from what they would normally.

Great video for jumping on the ARG. There is no Mike S. Miller, there is no Blacklist Universe, most of the backers are probably fake accounts financed by an outside party. But what are we seeing and what is it's nature?
That's what originally bothered me about the thing we call Mike S. Miller.

I started following Comicsgate because of Capt Cummings, he was just so raw and direct with the complaints about the mainstream. He spoke to concerns everyone had but no one could articulate, in many ways moreso than YBZ. This board was split off from the main CG board after complaints turned inward, towards EVS. Fulfillment is a huge concern for many people in the CG community.

A big tell that this is an ARG is the absence of complaints towards Mike. There is a long history of creators who never delivered, Cridious is getting shit on right now for failing to deliver. But there are no complaints about the thing we call Mike S. Miller.

He's the magic crowdfunder. He runs campaigns, takes money, never delivers, and no one notices. I assume the CG audience is sincere and authentic, but being a backer is where the rubber meets the road. For some reason, backers have no issue with the fact he can't complete his books. Or that his revenue streams have been cut off and he has no other sources of income.

Then there's the schism with CG proper. I've run enough businesses to tell you that no one cuts themselves off from their marketing lightly. Even if you have to walk away from something, you at least keep your mouth shut about it in order to avoid creating backlash for yourself. This thing called Mike claims to be an entrepreneur, does all the small business owner stuff, but it doesn't act like a business owner with family interests intertwined in it's own success.

There's other tells as well. The language the Mike thing uses in the Blacklist Universe videos is a little too precise, a little too lacking in introspection. The thing is showcasing various points of view for the benefit of an audience, saying things that don't need to be said. Seriously, watch that video and see if you can tell me that's a real person expressing authentic sentiment. There's dozens of others like them, it's clear there some separation between the person speaking the words and the person writing the script. There's moments the language feels like an Ionesco play.

Again, I'm not saying I'm sure I know what exactly is going on here, only that there is a lot of evidence it goes beyond the surface level details. It's easier to explain Mike S. Miller in terms of the performative aspects of the character. This is a situation where fiction is outperforming reality, where there's no explanation for the person in terms of the real-world forces in which it operates. I can see the reasons why this thing would exist and what the motivations would be for wanting to create it. What I can't see are the historical, factual details for why it would be there in the first place, doing what it does.

Trying hard to remember the name of the fake YouTuber from a few years ago, some girl who was sharing her life story only to be found out through reverse image search and exposed as an actor. This is probably a campaign along those lines, real artistic genius expressed through popular mediums is very rare. But it's also possible, maybe we are just on to one of those profound fellows who sees the world for what it is and calls bullshit.

But you're not crazy for looking at it differently. Most people don't catch onto ARGs before they have a chance to mature, which is why I'm talking about it here and on other forums. I don't think I'm the only person who has caught on.
Missed your update.

To be clear, that's not my theory, I received it in DMs and thought about it.

Sometimes you have to have a null hypothesis to flesh out a working theory. Mike S. Miller as a genuine human being is one, EVS as a puppetmaster is another.

I don't believe EVS has been running the Mike S. Miller persona, mostly because there's a more likely explanation:

Doug Tenapel. Doug worked in Hollywood for a long time, with the pedophiles and sodomites at Nickelodeon. He enjoyed some financial success as a result. He left to work on Highlights Magazine and wrote for Breitbart News. What had to attract him to make the jump to journalist was the perspective of Andrew Breitbart, who talked about the vapidness of Hollywood and the PC crowd long before we had SJWs.

If anyone had the domain expertise, connections and ideological disposition to be running an actor as a Christian comic book artist, it would be Doug. In theory, he was using entryism to get into Comicsgate and pulled out his crew once it became clear no one was going to disavow homosexuals. They continue to maintain close relations and promote the same ideological viewpoints.

It's one possible explanation. What gives EVS as puppetmaster credibility is the glacier-like pace with which his books are produced. He produces less than one inked / pencilled page per week. He has to be doing something else with that time, YouTube only accounts for part of it. Assuming he's capable of working at a rate of one page per day - which is more in line with what happens in the industry - it's conceivable he's spending that time drawing less-sophisticated content and passing it off through an actor. Or that he's actually directing another artist to produce the work, that takes time as well.

I have a list of videos where the thing called Mike is drawing and the camera shows human hands from an above angle. A few of us are going through them to try and identify who the hands actually belong to. We're also looking at artwork from early CG videos for differences in the rendered style in Lonestar and original works created by the thing called Mike S. Miller. One thing that's conspicuous about the Mike thing, in Blacklist Universe videos, is the use of hands for emphasis.

The distance between the fingers and the bottom of the hands is relatively short, probably less than 7 inches. The length of the fingers in the drawing videos is larger, we can gauge it relative to the length of the pen being used. The finger length appears to be slightly greater than 8 inches.

This is very close and worthy of continued examination. I'll share more as we continue to identify good screenshots, there's many hours of video to go through.

All I really know is there's reasons to believe the thing we call Mike S. Miller is not an actual person. I want to know for sure what I'm looking at.
Yeah, that's something I considered too.

Let's remember we're trying to explain this thing called Mike S. Miller. Doug is relevant as a possible explanation for its origin and continued direction.

While I agree Tenapel is probably focused on other things, here's why you don't dismiss his involvement. On the one hand, Doug and the thing we call Mike S. Miller livestream together regularly. Recent video called Nerd of the Round Table.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap10JWYEZIc

I'm finding it's best to watch these videos on 2x speed with captions on. Focus a little less on what they say and more on the interaction. Doug Tenapel runs most of the conversation, selects the topics and does most of the talking. The video focuses mostly on promoting Doug's campaigns and achievements, there's no mention of the Mike Miller campaigns. For most of the video, they talk about comic book history, touching on famous artists and strips from the past, and the relative price of comic books.

The conversation was conspicuous mostly because it seemed like each discussion topic was a lead in to the next. This is something to watch for in the Blacklist Universe videos, many of them seem scripted and only superficially natural. There are no natural disagreements between the participants, there are no moments of insight leading from something said before. The dialog seems directed to hit certain points, with charts and graphs to justify something said earlier in the conversation.

So the video is an advertisement, Blacklist Universe is handed over to Tenapel for a night to promote his books. What other independent creator gets that kind of treatment? For comparison, there's 2 recent videos related to YBZ. They're hyper-critical, one makes the argument that Cecil is a better author and comics crowdfunder than Zack. There's a lot of charts and graphs used to present data that seems to make a point other than the one they are discussing (and no one disagrees about the relevance of the information.)



We tried to find other examples where the thing called Mike was interviewing creators and giving them the same space to promote their videos - where they get to take over the stream and the Mike Miller character isn't putting away it's own promotions - and couldn't find any. Why would Tenapel be the only person where Blacklist Universe breaks it's format, takes the spotlight off the host and devotes all it's attention to this single creator?

It's an interesting question, doesn't prove anything. But if you are considering who is running this character we call Mike, this seems significant. If you really want to see a contrast with how different authors are treated, look at the video interview with Wenger.


Robust discussion, analytic deconstruction of various topics, morality is in play, other high concept items are making their way in and out of the conversation. Again, play it on 2x speed with close captions and you start to clue in on the idea that the person on the camera is not coming up with these points on the fly. The discussion is a little too tight to be improvised, Wenger is mostly not a participant, there's a dominance factor happening that doesn't happen in the interactions with Tenapel. Roger Scruton would have had a hard time laying out these avenues of argument so succinctly and with such aplomb, yet here it is.

In a silo, one could look at these videos and find it perfectly reasonable to conclude someone named Mike S. Miller is a real person who exists and he's Doug Tenapel's bitch. But the character Mike doesn't live in a silo. It lives in the real world, it has crowdfunding campaigns that have raised high dollar amounts without being fulfilled, it's creating merchandising stores for products that are ephemeral and no one is buying, it broadcasts on YouTube daily to tiny audiences mostly consisting of the same accounts, it trolls people constantly on Twitter.

And the only affinity this character we call Mike S. Miller has for another creator is Doug Tenapel. That relationship is significant.

The other reason not to dismiss Doug Tenapel's involvement is his work history. He's from Hollywood - this is something people chirp about from time to time. Three important outlets he worked with are Shiny Entertainment, Nickelodeon, and Breitbart - not necessarily as an employee, but as outlets for his thoughts and work.

While most creatives have interesting career journeys, Doug's seems especially interesting. Nickelodeon and Breitbart could not be further away from one another, it's the sun and the moon. Doug was working with Nickelodeon during the Dan Schneider era. Dan wrote, scripted and produced many of Nick's most famous shows, and he's also notable as a child predator. Some of what he did is absolutely unforgivable, as an adult, getting teenage stars pregnant, paying for their abortions, getting lawyers to cover it up.

Like many monsters in entertainment, Dan surrounded himself with others of a like mind. Chris Savino, John Kricfalusi, Brian Peck, others - Nickelodeon was their home. It makes sense, people tend to associate with others that share their values. Moreover, if you're guilty of something, why not socialize with others who do the same thing - lessens the chances of being accused yourself. In the 90s, I never had any professional dealings with Nick but there were widespread rumors about what went on there. In the 2000s, something you started to see was producers carrying around digital cameras. They had a name for them, they were called Hobknockers. People at Nick would trade the cameras and sometimes digital storage for the cameras with each other. The word was they were photos of talent for consideration in productions, but I always wondered what kinds of photos they were looking at.

The place was disgusting. It was a cash cow, many people respected it for being able to create hit after hit. But the underbelly - that shitstain Dan got Amanda Bynes pregnant, he's the reason she's so fucked up these day (him and her parents for letting it happen.) Just thinking about that is repulsive.

I take Doug at his word that he's a Christian, that he's a family man, that he has strong sentiments about sexual degeneracy because I know where he came from. While it's atypical that someone straight laced went anywhere with Nick, I'm ready to accept that he was the exception.

I'm also ready to accept other people recognize this as well. Doug's journey from Nick to writing for Breitbart is an interesting one. I know he was getting EWJ royalties the entire time and don't believe - not for a nanosecond - that he has ever been in dire financial straights, as he claimed when he was appearing on EVS streams. I also know Hollywood spends a lot of money on performative marketing these days, hiring schills to appear in social media to promote all kinds of causes. Some of them are hgih functioning creators in their own right, administrators who run movies and shows and just take a time out to send a signal about diversity, or inclusion, or the future of a franchise, or whatever. They want to appear they are better than the rot that came before them.

It would make perfect sense for someone to read an article in Breitbart, talk to others about these Communists in Hollywood, look at other marketing campaigns and cook up a 10-figure scheme to shift the culture back to Conservative values. I know people who would write checks for that effort right now if it was presented to them as an option.

Is Doug involved? Could not tell you. Is there a reason to look closely and examine what's happening? Goddamned right there is. Again, Nickelodeon / Viacom - that place was a den of pedophilia and sodomy the entire time Doug was there. He made a journey to present a personal brand that directly and outspokenly opposes the exact values that were present in this place. What happened during that journey to put him here, right now, in this place, associated with this thing we call Mike S. Miller, producing these hardcover books with the intent of creating valuable IPs that will be licensed and merchandized within the Hollywood system? Why would the goal be to walk back into the mouth of the beast, why would Doug be taking losses on his works if he was financially strapped, why would he be making his own videos?

Doug's presence and relationships are significant and should not be ignored.

Again, I don't believe there is a real-life person named Mike S. Miller producing videos for a YouTube channel called Blacklist Universe. There is some direction behind this character and I want to know what it is I'm seeing and why. Is this an artist, maybe who found a patron in Doug Tenapel, carrying out an elaborate performance art piece to examine the nature of value and the human experience in today's globalized economy? Is this a social media personality invented along the same lines as Renfamous designed to influence public opinion through direct confrontation?

EVERYTHING about the thing we call Mike S. Miller is inconsistent with the forces operating in reality. There's no logical explanation for it to exist, and Doug is pretty curious too. Don't ignore their close affinity.
Don't have answers but find the whole thing captivating and am seeking ways to explain it. Would love to get other people's thoughts and impressions.
I'm extremely late and gay to this thread, especially in responding to your thesis. After reading this purely autistic fanfic the only thought and impression I'm left with is that "the thing we know as Ivan Shatov" is the one we know as Ro Kabir Kumar (Pall).

Throughout your insane ramblings you constantly refer to a "we" observing Mike S Miller and back-channel DM's discussing him, your obviously not referring to Kiwi's since none of them would be really interested in observing or discussing Mike outside of the main CG thread especially not watching his boring 8hr live-streams. I bet Warcampaign would however to keep an eye on him, so my theory is your "we" who is monitoring him is WC.

Then there's your language, there's almost a poetry to it and despite being a colossal faggot, Ro Kabir is poetic when his not typing in ALL CAPS like a complete and utter sperg. Panboy, Tyler and the rest are to simple minded to speak so well and imaginatively, Ro is much better at public speaking and has a fairly extensive vocabulary, if you are WC my money is on Ro.

Your account was created June 2019, so your relatively new that was not to long after @FROG made his account on the farms. Your profile is also set to limited so only specific people can view it, almost like you've got something to hide or are paranoid about something.

The dead giveaway however is the text below your avatar;

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Its latin:

"Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"

Roughly translated as "Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed." A famous phrase that originates from debates held in the Roman Senate, prior to the Third Punic War, between Rome and Carthage. Carthage obviously being the historical enemy of Rome. The phrase was used by Cato the Censor, as the conclusion of his speeches in order to push for war.

Now who else do we know of having a history of LARPing online as Romans, constantly pushing for war?

Of course this is all mere speculation and I have no definitive proof, but you did ask for peoples thoughts and impressions. So I gave mine, even if it is a few weeks late.
 

verissimus

kiwifarms.net
I'm extremely late and gay to this thread, especially in responding to your thesis. After reading this purely autistic fanfic the only thought and impression I'm left with is that "the thing we know as Ivan Shatov" is the one we know as Ro Kabir Kumar (Pall).

Throughout your insane ramblings you constantly refer to a "we" observing Mike S Miller and back-channel DM's discussing him, your obviously not referring to Kiwi's since none of them would be really interested in observing or discussing Mike outside of the main CG thread especially not watching his boring 8hr live-streams. I bet Warcampaign would however to keep an eye on him, so my theory is your "we" who is monitoring him is WC.

Then there's your language, there's almost a poetry to it and despite being a colossal faggot, Ro Kabir is poetic when his not typing in ALL CAPS like a complete and utter sperg. Panboy, Tyler and the rest are to simple minded to speak so well and imaginatively, Ro is much better at public speaking and has a fairly extensive vocabulary, if you are WC my money is on Ro.

Your account was created June 2019, so your relatively new that was not to long after @FROG made his account on the farms. Your profile is also set to limited so only specific people can view it, almost like you've got something to hide or are paranoid about something.

The dead giveaway however is the text below your avatar;

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Its latin:

"Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"

Roughly translated as "Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed." A famous phrase that originates from debates held in the Roman Senate, prior to the Third Punic War, between Rome and Carthage. Carthage obviously being the historical enemy of Rome. The phrase was used by Cato the Censor, as the conclusion of his speeches in order to push for war.

Now who else do we know of having a history of LARPing online as Romans, constantly pushing for war?

Of course this is all mere speculation and I have no definitive proof, but you did ask for peoples thoughts and impressions. So I gave mine, even if it is a few weeks late.
Oh god...I just realized Carl has a Discord server with an ancient Greek aesthetic while EVS and War Campaign apparently has a Roman aesthetic. It's happening again, a fat 40 year self-annointed old step-father is leading a group of marginalized spergs that engages in gay-ops. It's like poetry...it rhymes.
 

instythot

kiwifarms.net
Oh god...I just realized Carl has a Discord server with an ancient Greek aesthetic while EVS and War Campaign apparently has a Roman aesthetic. It's happening again, a fat 40 year self-annointed old step-father is leading a group of marginalized spergs that engages in gay-ops. It's like poetry...it rhymes.
But even Carl was able to let kiwi farms users call him a fat homosexual with terrible fashion sense who gets plowed by transsexuals without having to constantly pop in to personally challenge those opinions. The sheer thin skinnedness on display will quite possibly drive a future meltdown even greater than "Carl's Deluded Tea Party in Wonderland or: The Twenty Year Plan"
 

Smug Freiza

Muh 6 gorrillion Namekians is Saiyan propaganda.
kiwifarms.net
Oh god...I just realized Carl has a Discord server with an ancient Greek aesthetic while EVS and War Campaign apparently has a Roman aesthetic. It's happening again, a fat 40 year self-annointed old step-father is leading a group of marginalized spergs that engages in gay-ops. It's like poetry...it rhymes.
It is suspicious how Ethan does seem to coordinate with the account.

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Then this comment later by @TrunksFromDragonballGT

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"He did throw him a few bucks, $17,600 of them" - a very specific number. Also quite a large sum of money, perhaps the dollar amount worth of backers Vestige gained from Ethans promotion of their campaign? But in order for Trunks to have that information, that must mean his WC also or at least closely associated with them. Given that Trunks is an absolute hypocrite when it comes to defending Ethan and CG in this very thread, I think its safe to assume his involved.

However if this Ivan Shatov really is Ro or Warcampaign, its is curious they were the individual who doxed CrypticComics a few months ago in this very thread.

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Jason David Munroe / Cryptic Comics / Cryptic Collectibles / @UndeliveredCrowdfundMaste

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DOB: 04/11/1991
Phone number: (714) 962-7712 (land line)

Address:
10181 Kamuela Dr
Huntington Beach CA 92646-2936

Relatives living at same address:
Edward Alan Munroe, Age 57 (father)
Laurie J. Munroe, Age 63 (mother)

Employment: self-employed
Education: no college
Marriage: single, never married
Court records: No criminal or civil court records
Political Affiliation: Republican
Hashtags on personal Twitter account:
#Patriot #Nationalist #Conservative #AmericaFirst #MAGA #Trump2020


PLEASE NOTE: Every photo of Jason has the same cold, dead stare, just like Adam Lanza.

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Jason frequently attends comic book signings at the following businesses. Please note, he does not appear to have a professional relationship with either.

Comics Toons N' Toys
13542 Newport Ave (2,280.19 mi)
Tustin, California 92780
(714) 730-2117

Phat Collectibles
301 E Imperial HWY (2,285.05 mi)
La Habra, California 90631
(714) 680-3760

Current eBay storefront:
427 positive reviews, 1 neutral, 0 negative

Previous digital ventures:

jdmgraphics.com
Comics news and gaming site with monthly give aways
Active between 2008 and 2011
Average monthly traffic: < 2000

crypticgames.com
Comics news and gaming site with monthly give aways
Active between 2013 and 2016
Average monthly traffic: < 2000

2016: Fundraising for JDM Graphics Website - $0 total raised

2016: Fundraising for Cryptic Comics Website - $0 total raised

Notes from call with Laurie Munroe, Jason's mother.

- Confirmed this is a house phone, not a business.

- Asked if there is a better number to reach the owner of Cryptic Collectibles, she suggested sending an email.

- Confirmed Jason keeps an office in his bedroom.

- Confirmed Jason spends most of his time in bedroom "working on business."

- Confirmed inventory is kept on premises.

- Confirmed windows are open most days of the year.

- Described her aspirations as a mother are for Jason to move on. She cited going to college or starting a family as life goals she would like him to embrace. Cited affordability as main factor holding him back.

- Refused to answer questions about a girlfriend before ending call.

Jason created an account on KiwiFarms to post a long gripe about Ethan Van Sciver. His post was notable for accusing Mr. Van Sciver of failing to deliver comics and original art created as part of a crowdfunding campaign. This post was odd because of the timing, Jason's accusations concern finished work product Mr. Van Sciver demonstrated on his public YouTube channel and stated he is preparing to ship. Jason's original post can be read here.

Jason claimed to be a comic speculator and went on to make a series of exceptional posts on KF. Some highlights:

- Jason indicted the capitalist system and expressed a contempt for profit, establishing his communist political leanings.

- Jason demonstrated obsessive interest in Mr. Van Sciver's videos and an eagerness to quote him out of context

- Jason took credit for only making $3 selling a large batch of Nasser's books.

Until this point, the disturbing lack of self-awareness in Jason's posts indicated that he was simply exceptional. But then he posted a very specific demand for Mr. Van Sciver, revealing his true motives.



This established Jason is just a petty extortionist looking to victimize a comic book artist. He is someone who should be avoided at all costs.

Jason went on to deny claims of being financially inept using high interest rate credit cards, asking for money (instead, he repeatedly insisted Mr. Van Sciver "promised" to pay him), or buying comic books from Nasser. Several people on KF offered to purchase his supply with interest, making him whole again, but he refused all attempts to remedy the situation on behalf of the creator.

In his haste, Jason went onto provide photos as proof of his status as a comics speculator. This lead to the unravelling of his plan, as members of KF were able to use information from the photos to reveal his geographic location and identify him amongst a small group of comicbook sellers online. Which spurred research into Jason's failed digital ventures and attempts to make a living in the comics industry. Conversations with his mother (who is a very nice person and deserved a son instead of this faggot) ultimately lead to an unquestionable match.

A review of Jason's social media revealed the entirety of his interests relate to comic books and Donald Trump. His followers on Twitter include professionals in the convention circuit, comicsgate, various comic book companies, and more. He recently had a tweet about SDCC retweeted by Jim Lee and attended a dinner in his honor. Other information of interest has been collected from his social media accounts, which may be publicly revisited over time.


Your turn. Go.
Really activates my almonds, because Warcampaign, Ro and by extension Ethan disavow doxing. Yet if Ivan Shatov is indeed Ro, or at the very least a member of Warcampaign. We may have our first definitive proof that a Comicsgate customer was doxed by them in this very thread.
 
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