Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

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Ivan Shatov

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We don't talk enough shit about comic book stores.

Got emails from 8 of them in the last day with various promotions. Most of them are offering some combination of the following:

- Home delivery - they want me to give them money to deliver something they're never going to get

- Bonds - they want me to give them money to operate their store that generates no revenue

- Gift Cards - they want me to give them money for cards that get cashed in the moment people can leave the house (prolonging the inevitable)

- $0.99 back issues / Free Delivery - they want me to give them money to send a pile of old comics they can't afford to ship

- T-Shirts - they want me to give them money to earn free apparel as a bonus, only they can't afford to print it

We've gone from the point where comic companies try to sell me hyperpartisan stories / art I don't want to where comic stores make money not delivering SJW comics. While that's an improvement, it's still the opposite of getting something I actually wanted.

I wrote back to the owner of one of these stores. They have a backissue catalog, I offered him $0.25 per issue for the entire catalog, paid in cash. The amount is almost 4 months of his operating expenses without needing to lay off employees. He said no, he's confident the loyalty of his customers will lead them through this. I offered him a way to buy the entire catalog back for a profit after he's back on his feet, he still said no. Something about selling them on eBay.

Magical thinking. The store is still a business. It will go out of business. If they could get by selling backissues on eBay, why would they be asking for charity? All this means is someone else gets their backissues in bankruptcy for a lot less than you would have paid, you're just subsidizing their purchase.

Marvel and DC killed the comic book stores, we should not bail them out. Do not give these people your money, they do not respect you as a customer.
 

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We don't talk enough shit about comic book stores.

Got emails from 8 of them in the last day with various promotions. Most of them are offering some combination of the following:

- Home delivery - they want me to give them money to deliver something they're never going to get

- Bonds - they want me to give them money to operate their store that generates no revenue

- Gift Cards - they want me to give them money for cards that get cashed in the moment people can leave the house (prolonging the inevitable)

- $0.99 back issues / Free Delivery - they want me to give them money to send a pile of old comics they can't afford to ship

- T-Shirts - they want me to give them money to earn free apparel as a bonus, only they can't afford to print it

We've gone from the point where comic companies try to sell me hyperpartisan stories / art I don't want to where comic stores make money not delivering SJW comics. While that's an improvement, it's still the opposite of getting something I actually wanted.

I wrote back to the owner of one of these stores. They have a backissue catalog, I offered him $0.25 per issue for the entire catalog, paid in cash. The amount is almost 4 months of his operating expenses without needing to lay off employees. He said no, he's confident the loyalty of his customers will lead them through this. I offered him a way to buy the entire catalog back for a profit after he's back on his feet, he still said no. Something about selling them on eBay.

Magical thinking. The store is still a business. It will go out of business. If they could get by selling backissues on eBay, why would they be asking for charity? All this means is someone else gets their backissues in bankruptcy for a lot less than you would have paid, you're just subsidizing their purchase.

Marvel and DC killed the comic book stores, we should not bail them out. Do not give these people your money, they do not respect you as a customer.
I’ve been knowing that since 2017. I support indie creators only. When Marvel and DC start writing their heroes to act like heroes again instead of like a gen Xer trying to write edgy, angsty, Gen Z teens then they will see my money again.
 

Ivan Shatov

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Just to expand on my previous post:


Midtown Comics is offering $0.99 backissues. That's great, there's 663 backissues to choose from. Going to have them shipped, not sure you can even drive into Manhattan right now for pickup.

However, they are not including bags and boards. That's fine, I have some sitting around. Just send them in a nice box.

However, they only offer free shipping on purchases of $75 or more. Not sure what I would do with that much chaff, but that's okay, I can pay for shipping.

However, if I add 40 comics to the cart, the shipping still says $5.50. That's strange, how are they planning to ship 40 books that cheap? A little sketchy, but maybe there's something I don't know that lets them make this work.

However, the time to ship is 3 - 10 days plus processing time for economy mail. What is processing time? Does that mean they start shipping after the quarantine is lifted? Don't think they are an essential business. Maybe it's coming from a distribution center in some other state...

Looking more closely through the list of books, a bunch of them are 2/28/2020 release date. They never got these books...

How come they are selling new titles in the $0.99 bin that they never received?

Everything in the store is labelled 25% off. Maybe I will get a deal on something I really want instead. There's a copy of Forever Evil #1, one of the covers I don't already have. It's about $700.

Check eBay and find multiple copies of Forever Evil #1 with alternate covers in Mint condition between $10 and $75. They're shipping from the midwest, I will have them in a few days. I have no reason to buy anything from Midtown.

This store is wrecked. Even if they get through the crisis and start stocking new comics again, they're going to be undercut on new and back issues by all the other stores trying to stave off destruction and ready to sell expensive shit at fire sale prices. This is bigger than the new comics market, the value of back issues is dropping because shops are dumping their stock.

Looking at this $0.99 deal - the cheapest shipping option is $5. There's an inflection point at about 10 comics, that's the point where the overall cost to purchase and ship the comics makes it cheaper to dump the entire inventory for $0.25 per issue. You still have to pay people to fill the envelopes / slap on the shipping label / do the postage, no one is filling more than 10 orders an hour from a random selection of 600+ issues. Unless they're selling more than 10 comics per order at that price, they're losing money even if the customer is paying for the shipping. The more people that take advantage of the offer without buying more than 10 comics, the faster they burn cash.

If the backissue market is going to survive, it needs quantitative easing. This is a flood. Someone needs to buy up as much as possible and sit on it to allow market to function properly. There might be 3 or 4 stores capable of doing that and it's only going to happen after many other stores go out of business.

But "deals" like this are not going to save comic book stores. Nuts that the owners can't see it themselves. What loons.
 

Ivan Shatov

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I like how the same idea that killed the industry is being posited as the cure.

Hoarding and speculation destroyed it, alongside the idiocy of only going to specialist stores.
Mass market publications need to be mass marketed.

The point of creating luxury brands is to strip all the value out of the supply chain by ratcheting up the price while reducing the incentive for innovation. You want people buying for the name, not the materials.

Applying this rubric to comic books may have made sense at one point, when there were dozens of titles selling 100k+ issues a month. But the point has passed when that made good business sense, now there's just a sea of finely decorated toilet paper waiting for asses to wipe.

I'm looking at another retailer who is offering Membership, Gift Cards and Bonds to get through this period. Membership gets you a discount on future purchases, gift cards just translate into cash, and bonds are something that translates into discounts at some point after a certain period at about the same value you purchased them - so just deferred gift cards.

It's all the same, revenue for a store with nothing to sell that is going out of business regardless of how much money you throw into the hole. That same store has a backissue catalog, it has collectibles and inventory on the shelves that includes stuff other than comics, it has signs and other memorabilia that people would be willing to pay for. None of those assets are on the table, someone is operating under the illusion they are going to make it through this because they think bailout dollars will be handed out to anyone who asks.

Who falls for this? I feel for the small business owner and resent the manipulative tactics. Asking for money to sustain a failing business is fraud and it's going on everywhere. They're counting on socialism to prop up a shitty business model that should have died a long time ago.
 
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Adamska

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Maybe not destroyed, but it didn't help.
It certainly did help in destroying them because then comics decided to change their focus on appealing to collectors, pricing out kids (the next generation) and losing them to games or TV.

Then they went ultra retarded and decided to not sell in Walmart or retail at all. Then they went super mega ultra retarded when they didn't decide to collate their shit into more lasting graphic novels and trade books. Then they went galaxy brain smooth when they chose to keep rebooting and stop developing characters to keep reusing the same plotlines.

Basically, they've been eating lead paint for 30+ years by now and that's the killing blow.
 

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It certainly did help in destroying them because then comics decided to change their focus on appealing to collectors, pricing out kids (the next generation) and losing them to games or TV.

Then they went ultra exceptional and decided to not sell in Walmart or retail at all. Then they went super mega ultra exceptional when they didn't decide to collate their shit into more lasting graphic novels and trade books. Then they went galaxy brain smooth when they chose to keep rebooting and stop developing characters to keep reusing the same plotlines.

Basically, they've been eating lead paint for 30+ years by now and that's the killing blow.
The problem isn't collectors hoarding comics it's comic companies hoarding IP. Had they licensed out these characters years ago they would be in a much better position. Instead they regurgitate the same old same to hold onto characters that have run their course.
How many iterations of captain america among countless others do we need?
 

Ivan Shatov

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The problem isn't collectors hoarding comics it's comic companies hoarding IP. Had they licensed out these characters years ago they would be in a much better position. Instead they regurgitate the same old same to hold onto characters that have run their course.
How many iterations of captain america among countless others do we need?
There won't be enough Captain American until he's become a BBBW with a purse and 8 illegitimate children who are also world-class physicists growing up in the hood and fighting the KKK with a combination of food stamps and sass.

We'll get there, you can almost see it in the horizon.
 

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There won't be enough Captain American until he's become a BBBW with a purse and 8 illegitimate children who are also world-class physicists growing up in the hood and fighting the KKK with a combination of food stamps and sass.

We'll get there, you can almost see it in the horizon.
Cap won't last that long I'm afraid. Instead of letting the market decide what a good book is like what we see with creator owned and licensed IP marvel has kept strict control over their characters. Back in the 60's this wasn't a problem because innovation drove sales. Bad books died out instantly because comic companies couldn't afford to prop up poor sales. Now that the burden of poor sales falls on the direct market instead of the company do we see radical diversity hiring and extreme leftist politics in books.
There is a market for that but it's extremely small. If someone wants to write a book about a trans-feminist fighting neo nazi trump supporters let them pitch that to fantagraphics or on kickstarter. It sells like shit in mainstream books and marvel/dc only have themselves to blame.
 
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Ivan Shatov

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There is a market for that...
Not to cut you off, but that's Marvel thinking.

A market has to be more than 4 transsexual fetishists in the greater Des Moines area living off welfare who buy comics due to their ability to defy traditional gender stereotypes.

There must be a basement for mass-market publications and it needs to be very high compared to indies.
 

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Then they went ultra exceptional and decided to not sell in Walmart or retail at all. Then they went super mega ultra exceptional when they didn't decide to collate their shit into more lasting graphic novels and trade books.
They were doing collected volumes since the late 80ies, but made it a point to fuck with the readers by skipping issues and other incentives to try and force them to buy the individual floppies for the full story.
 

Adamska

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They were doing collected volumes since the late 80ies, but made it a point to fuck with the readers by skipping issues and other incentives to try and force them to buy the individual floppies for the full story.
That's the big thing; they would often just randomly mash books together and do this shit, so they were really stupid when they did finally make trade books beyond the Essentials books.
 

CheezzyMach

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It certainly did help in destroying them because then comics decided to change their focus on appealing to collectors, pricing out kids (the next generation) and losing them to games or TV.

Then they went ultra exceptional and decided to not sell in Walmart or retail at all. Then they went super mega ultra exceptional when they didn't decide to collate their shit into more lasting graphic novels and trade books. Then they went galaxy brain smooth when they chose to keep rebooting and stop developing characters to keep reusing the same plotlines.

Basically, they've been eating lead paint for 30+ years by now and that's the killing blow.
Quoted for fucking truth. That's why while I feel bad for the LCS owners who genuinely love the medium I'm perfectly happy with the Direct Market dying because it continued to enable all this shit and allowed the Indrustry to indulge in all the excesses that nearly killed it 30 years ago. Maybe now these dumbfucks will actually fix their mess because I can tell you mass retail isn't going to tolerate unsalable arthouse vanity garbage like New Warriors.

The problem isn't collectors hoarding comics it's comic companies hoarding IP. Had they licensed out these characters years ago they would be in a much better position. Instead they regurgitate the same old same to hold onto characters that have run their course.
How many iterations of captain america among countless others do we need?
Marvel tried that in the 90s.

You might remember it, it was called Heroes Reborn and failed so badly it contributed to Marvel's bankruptcy.
 

Spectre_06

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I won't ever discount CYBERFROG BLOODHONEY, except possibly a cheap second printing to retailers somewhere down the road. I haven't decided on that yet.

But all of the first printings we have left in stock will sell for $25 or higher, and the line art variants at $60 for the set or higher.
If they're still in stock, how do you know they'll sell for that much? Because other people bought it for that?
 
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