I don't have any problem respecting beliefs and claiming sacred lands. The thing is, they have almost the whole fucking mountain. I read some of the reports by the reserve and it only reinforced that this is all about money. There are tons of small shrines all over the mountain. People build their own, they go to ones members of their family have built, it isn't critical to the beliefs. They're using sacred lands to try and get some shekels they feel they deserve. That's the bottom line.It’s annoying how every indigenous group is saying ‘this is sacred land’. At this rate, there is nothing but sacred lands left according to them, Backlash against the pipeline? Okay, that’s at least an ecological issue. This is nothing but outdated religious beliefs that sets science behind.
I did a brief look into the religion and the history behind it when the story broke. Basically no part of the mountain is intrinsically more important than another. The highest peaks and ridges are often viewed as the closest to the gods/heaven/whatever, but there is no "right place" to worship from what I could find. There are shrines all over the mountain and many typically go to family shrines or shrines they grew up going to until they decide to make their own. One of the big things highlighted on the protester's page that I went over is they think the government, and thus gibsmedats, are missing out on tens of millions of dollars per year in taxes. That's where the protests are coming from. It's about money. Money that I'm not convinced exists based on the operating costs of the telescopes. They're also upset at the permitting process and some restrictions to go up to the area of the telescopes for religious purposes, but I didn't see them clearly laid out anywhere from a source that wasn't them REEEing so I'm not sure what they actually are.I would put money on these guys never going up their to pray until whitey took an interest in their mountain.
Now if only this could have been done to the absolute Epic Fail that is the Oahu Rail Project... The costs of that continues to rise and rise, and the finish date gets pushed back farther and farther away. Also, it, along with the other things messed up in Honolulu right now, makes Kirk Caldwell look even more of a lolcow mayor...The Hawaiians never cared. This is being driven by a disgruntled former employee of the university who figured out she could cause problems by stirring up SJW race-baiting bullshit in the media.
That can turn into an emergency if it results in things such as someone getting hurt, or an ambulance getting impeded from getting to their emergency or a hospital, all over a mountain. I think that may have happened with one of the times that BLM blocked a major roadway in a similar matter. And blocking roads affects a lot of people that want nothing to do with this mess, and makes the protesters look less sympathetic.There have been no riots among the kiai. No acts of violence or threats of violence. They’ve blocked roads, but that is hardly an emergency situation. There’s no standoff where people are unwilling to talk or negotiate. They haven’t stomped on ambulances or taken out firetrucks or thrown rocks at police vehicles. The old folks who were arrested didn’t even resist.