Covid conspiracy - What does Kiwifarms believe are the truths behind COVID & The New Normal?

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Who/what really started Kung Flu Fever, and how did The Powers That Be respond? (multiple answers)


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Psychotron

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I live next to where emergency services are deployed from, and I think the virus is real. But as with the black plague where their version of germ theory had to do with smell and not mirco organisms.

I gave up on lockdown pretty early, and as soon as the bars reopened I hung out there... boomers hate covid and they're rather anti mask so if it was spreading like wild fire I would have caught it. I'm also in my early 30s

One of the weirdest things in medical sciences is the placebo affect, and people's health outcomes being tied to their perception of reality.

Of course the world is full of psychopaths who typically have to go though the steps of trying to pretend like they're not.

Want to lay people off? Covid!
Want shut down small business who you don't like? Covid!


So, actually. TBH, I haven't the foggiest notion.
 

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But while people come up with these conspiracy theories about what's going on, it's more TPTB taking advantage of the opportunities that are on the table than anything else.
This is essentially what I agree with. I think TPTB have long been looking for the next big global disaster of sorts to push their WEC 2030 agenda [i.e. The Great Reset], and were eagerly waiting for the opportunity to pounce. Then flash forward to late 2019 when a couple of ignorant Chink scientists probably forgot to lock the containment doors of the Wuhan research facility whilst they lit up their 50th cigarette of the day, then BAM: virus leaks, shit hits the fan, and whatever global elites in charge of it all [be they Soros, Gates, Lizard People, Masons] used this fiasco as a prime excuse to pushing us into a brave new world of bug-eating, pod-dwelling, and being happy for owning nothing. Not to mention their masking to keep us obedient and pumped full of experimental mRNA juice that God knows what does to our bodies.
 

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This is essentially what I agree with. I think TPTB have long been looking for the next big global disaster of sorts to push their WEC 2030 agenda [i.e. The Great Reset], and were eagerly waiting for the opportunity to pounce. Then flash forward to late 2019 when a couple of ignorant Chink scientists probably forgot to lock the containment doors of the Wuhan research facility whilst they lit up their 50th cigarette of the day, then BAM: virus leaks, shit hits the fan, and whatever global elites in charge of it all [be they Soros, Gates, Lizard People, Masons] used this fiasco as a prime excuse to pushing us into a brave new world of bug-eating, pod-dwelling, and being happy for owning nothing. Not to mention their masking to keep us obedient and pumped full of experimental mRNA juice that God knows what does to our bodies.
I have family members who are tragically more inclined to believe that "it came from nature" but literally all I said is that you can't trust a regime like the CCP to be honest with their own people, let alone the rest of the world.

It's like we're living in a world that gets only the shitty parts of cyberpunk, and is run almost entirely by villains from that genre. And the "heroes" of cyberpunk stories aren't exactly four color comic book heroes either.
 

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I guess that's why they called it the lockstep scenario years ago in that document.

Oh no wait, thats because they outlined how they could use it as an excuse to increase surveillance, reduce mobility for people and forbid protests.
That document you mentioned, the 'Rockefeller Document' is the one I was referring to with Lockstep. It was written in 2010 I do believe, the original I read way back when. In that document they explain that the virus or another disaster was to be the catapult to allow for more draconian laws to be brought in, as the people were confused. It even explained that this period was a rife time for social engineering, the promise of reducing (not removing) draconian laws and returning society to 'normalizy' would be the convenient carrot of the stick to push people into compliance.

Give those oil barons one thing, they can plan for years, and implement there schemes alarmingly well.
 

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Fauci funded the creation of the virus. Really curious how he is the de-facto expert on it, yet has been wrong every time.
 

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My thoughts:
  • virus escapes containment because Wuhan lab is subject to China-tier quality control
  • CCP was already enduring a lot of criticism at the moment due to Hong Kong protests and influence over western entertainment; did their totalitarian best to hide SARS 2 and not let it affect Glorious Chinese New Year
  • Meanwhile, videos started spreading around on the internet claiming to be footage of people dying in the streets, doctors claiming that perfectly healthy young people are dying by the bucket load, people getting welded into their homes, etc.
  • Mass hysteria sets in when idiots who believe everything they see on Reddit and TikTok start freaking out over these videos and blindly assuming that they are all 100% real and if the government is bulldozing roads to cut off whole towns, it must mean things are really bad. (Hint: No it doesn't, they’re just an authoritarian hellhole who had their pride hurt recently.)
  • The usual suspects come out of the woodwork predicting the End of the World just like SARS, bird flu, swine flu, etc.
  • World governments start instituting lockdowns to keep up with the Joneses, as evidenced by everyone getting on Sweden's case for not doing what all the cool kids are doing.
  • It also happens to be an election year when the democrats are facing off against their arch-nemesis: Cheeto Hitler. And you know what they say about letting good crises go to waste. An especially good one, too, because they get to go nuts with their favorite criticism deflection of "You are mean and don't care about people."
 

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Honestly, I can't say much about it since where I live, we've got among the lowest numbers regarding the infected. But basically my thoughts boil down to this:

- This is all China's fault, at this point it doesn't matter whether it was natural or lab-grown. They fucked up by letting it spread as badly as they did and honestly deserve a lot more backlash than what they have.
- North America (and everywhere else) didn't do enough because everyone is power hungry and will only do anything if it suits their needs.
- WHO are keeping the real death numbers from us because they don't know how many are actual COVID victims or simply got sick through other means.
- Every political party on the planet either are using lockdowns to jack up prices or follow through on any other dumb idea they might be rolling around.
- People who still party like it's no big deal are complete jackasses Masked or maskless, vaccinated or unvaccinated, I at least should have seen some common sense in play, but alas, common sense seems to have been one of the victims of COVID.
- Conspiritards and tabloids claiming it's the end of the world or that "The bible predicted COVID" are tools and I keep seeing this pop up quite often. Again, this ties in with my previous point. The general public are part of the problem. Just saying "It's the government's fault" is only partially true when I see people gathered around inside bars and restaurants like it's business as usual. And yes, while I can brag about my city being one of the few with the least number of infected, it doesn't at all mitigate the fact that it's still out there. Just saying it's something that Revelation predicted is just fucking retarded though.
- Social media sites need to burn. TikTok, Reddit, Twitter, Facebook... They all need to shut the fuck up and die already.

Honestly, it makes me all the greater that I'm a shut-in whenever I'm not working. That way I get to see the idiots outside less.
 

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Conspiracy Fact. The only part I'm undecided on is if there is anything else weird in the vaccines besides spike proteins that fuck up your immune system and cause heart attacks and blood clots. The fanatical obsession to jab 100% of the population, 5 year olds and fetuses alike, is abnormal. It raises the hair on the back of my neck, literally.

100% this. I do not care at all where it came from or how it leaked, we all know that ship left the harbor long ago and that nobody responsible will ever be held accountable. The truly shocking part for me is the bizarre obsession to jab everybody everywhere. It seems almost outside the realm of big pharm bribery... which is fucking scary. My kids haven't got the jab and they won't under my watch. This "pandemic" poses statistically zero threat to them. But this constant threat of "we will lock up the unvaccinated" when all signs point to the omicron variant giving out mass immunity... it's truly not something I thought I would see in my lifetime. This mass fascism is real.
 

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I think it was made in a lab, and they've been testing the waters of public reaction when previous "outbreaks" like SARS, MERS, etc occurred and did almost nothing. I recall when Swine Flu hit about a decade back our governments' extent of action was "use a tissue". No masks, no vax, no lockdowns. China quarantined a plane full of people once and that was it. The timing of this outbreak and the response this time is obviously discongruent and suspect.

So what's special about the timing? The WEF has "Agenda 2020" all over its website and nobody's been bleating as hard as they have about needing a "great reset" because of Covid; what they really mean is they want a reset that will allow them to retain their wealth when fiat currency collapses (in under 10 years). If they truly wanted a "reset" they could wait for the collapse and invent a new currency but that'd wipe out some portions of their own assets - the WEF is a rich man's club foremost.

Imagine you're one of the elite. You know in 10 years, the welfare states of the West are going bankrupt, and you know the plebs aren't going to play ball when it happens. You've had around 300 years of history to figure out how misdirection helps keep your human cattle from targeting you and your families, and you've had the last 40 to learn all about how fear is the only thing that gets citizens of comfortable "free" nations to hand over their rights so you can tax, restrict and spy on them even more - terrorism, climate change, etc. Faith in politics and media is at an all time low, suspicion of bankers and elites at an all time high, and you NEED to get those citizens controllable in under 10 years or there's gonna be hell to pay, for you too as an elite. What's left that's big enough, scary enough, to still get mass compliance? A pandemic? No problem. There's labs all over the world busy "researching" flu and coronavirus. Places like Porten Down in the UK (where they wanted to research Covid incidentally, but switched it over to China) and Wuhan. "Leaks" and "escapes" can be arranged, and will be lost in the ensuing scramble to control it.

Who's going to question lockdowns, vaccines, camps, travel restrictions when a "deadly" disease is doing the rounds? Even better, your pals in the medical field and big pharma can use the public's own purse money to order massive batches of these untested experimental vaccines - experimental? fuck, why not? Who's going to question, it's a pandemic - and then governments can force them to take it or strip them of their rights to shop and work. It's perfect. Transfer as much ailing wealth out of the system to your buddies before it all hits the floor. They'll be lining up to get it and thank you after. As Dick Jones said: "Who cares if it worked or not?"

And then? Well you want those plebs controllable, so why not use the vaccine and the pandemic itself to instate the social credit system you've been planning for decades, to hold them hostage with. Any bullshit and they'll be exiled from the system, unable to get food or a job. Should keep them in line. Will work even better once you take away their last ounce of financial privacy with fully digital currency, when you can literally ban them from using money if they act out. It's all there on the WEF's website, what they want to do and has been since 2016. You can watch videos of them salivating over the idea of complete financial control. They have known all along how much life was left in the financial system and have been planning accordingly. Covid as the gamble necessitated treating it seriously and locking down which has fucked our economies even more as the money printers go brrr, but it doesn't matter - whether they force-crash it or wait, they know it's all going under soon. It's the same people btw behind the PR pieces about eating bugs and living in pods, because that's your future if they have their way. No middle class, no upward mobility, just serfs and wealthy technocrats. Ever wondered why they're so busy building icebreaking yachts and bunkers in NZ and NC? Or visiting Antarctic regions (Just in case this doesn't work). They're looking for safe havens because this plan of theirs to enslave everyone is risky as fuck and it's not exactly going as well as they planned. Nor was corona virus even remotely as deadly as they would have hoped, the vaccines are practically useless, and the plebs have started to notice.

From this angle it makes total sense why they're pushing so hard in Western countries for literal covid-based tyranny. They need you under control ASAP but they can't say why, because then the jig is up and their motives would be revealed. Their only other card left to play will be climate change, because again that's something they could spin as big enough and deadly enough to get public consent to take away more of your rights and freedoms, and they're working on that too. It's reason they're pushing so hard for renewable energy right now and engineering shortages in Europe when there's no actual shortages of fossil fuels at this time. But they can use it to get you used to eating literal bugs and the worst quality of life possible - for the planet, of course. If you think it's really about cutting emissions and improving the air, go ask 'em why they never get on China's back, the biggest industrial polluter on Earth. Because it's not about that. It's about getting you used to their NeW NoRmAL. You vill live in ze "smart city", and you vill like it. Ready for your vax records and your bank access details to be on a chip inside your hand? They aren't shy about the idea.

Sadly for them it's not going nearly as smoothly as they hoped. Sadly for us, it's gonna take war and unprecedented upheaval to remove them and retain any vestige of freedom.
 
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cybertoaster

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At this point I believe this whole shit was caused by spectacular never-seen-before levels of ineptitude all the way up the chain of command on a global scale.

The lab fucked up but politicians fucked things up even more, and now they wont admit it because doing so would end them and their careers. Its the same reason why they keep pushing the vaccine, because they are idiots who think they can erradicate this shit like polio when its just a new type of flu and was always going to become endemic.

But they can't backtrack on vaccines, the political cost would be huge. They know they are not too big to fail, they know this could be their end.

They are basically doing damage control with our lives.
 
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Dom Cruise

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I think they released it to take Trump down, they would have done literally anything to get that man out of the White House, if it wasn't the pandemic, they would have caused a second Civil War, I can also guarantee you they seriously considered assassinating him but knew no one would buy it after JFK.

But in addition to that, there's clearly bigger agendas at play here, every ten years there's a ramping up of things, first it was 9/11, then it was Woke, even with no Trump we probably would have seen similar events happen in 2020.
 

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99.7% survival rate is the truth, and none of this is normal. There needn't be any Bill Gates 5g conspiracy, and almost nobody believes in that shit cuz it's as ridiculous as it sounds, but it's the bullshit strawman argument people use to discredit cuz that's all they can cling to.

The manufacturered overreaction to this has been embarrassing from the getgo. Saw the hype coming before it even started way back in Feb 2020, and I could prove it too.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard of people (allegedly) getting COVID only for them to experience nothing but the sniffles for 2 days. How terrifying.

What happens if one day there is an actual virus people should be afraid of?

They cried wolf one too many times. It's no surprise most people think the narrative is *at the very least* highly suspicious.

Stop with the media sensation, fear porn, outright propaganda, and inconsistent, nonsensical guidelines and mandates and you might have more people actually believing what you're selling.

But if you try to fool me I have to mask up or I'll catch COVID, die, or kill somebody else then you can shove it up your ass.
 
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Super-Chevy454

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100% this. I do not care at all where it came from or how it leaked, we all know that ship left the harbor long ago and that nobody responsible will ever be held accountable. The truly shocking part for me is the bizarre obsession to jab everybody everywhere. It seems almost outside the realm of big pharm bribery... which is fucking scary. My kids haven't got the jab and they won't under my watch. This "pandemic" poses statistically zero threat to them. But this constant threat of "we will lock up the unvaccinated" when all signs point to the omicron variant giving out mass immunity... it's truly not something I thought I would see in my lifetime. This mass fascism is real.

As if wasn't enough, they go full mccarthyism against those who use HCQ and Ivermectin. Speaking of the devil, there was that article. https://www.theepochtimes.com/top-n...97926.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=gp

One of New Hampshire’s leading political conservatives is fighting to keep his children from the state’s child protection services agency after giving his 13-year-old son ivermectin.

JR Hoell is the founder of ReOpen NH, an activist group that criticizes COVID-19 vaccine mandates. Hoell, who has also led public education reform efforts and promotes Second Amendment and homeschooling rights, told The Epoch Times that the New Hampshire Division of Children Youth and Family (DCYF) showed up at his doorstep on the night of Dec. 9 with an emergency ex parte order to take custody of his son.

“I want to go on the record as calling the DCYF a terrorist organization,” Hoell told The Epoch Times, “they have no grounds to seek removal of my son from his home.”

Kathleen Remillard, Public Information Officer for the DCYF told The Epoch Times that the agency is unable to comment due to state and federal confidentiality laws. Hoell provided The Epoch Times with a medical report showing an Amherst, NH physician found the teen to be in overall good health less than 24 hours after the agency tried to take emergency custody of him.

Hoell’s son, who stands over six feet tall and has a black belt in Taekwondo, had already returned to his martial arts classes and was over at a friend’s house when the DCYF showed up with two police officers on Dec. 9 looking for his son and 17-year old daughter.
 

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- People who still party like it's no big deal are complete jackasses Masked or maskless, vaccinated or unvaccinated, I at least should have seen some common sense in play, but alas, common sense seems to have been one of the victims of COVID.

...Just saying "It's the government's fault" is only partially true when I see people gathered around inside bars and restaurants like it's business as usual.

It IS business as usual, because Covid was never a big deal in the first place, unless you're already dying, or old. As an aside, not enough old people died from this. I was rolling for the Great Boomer Remover. Sad!

I have taken absolutely 0 precautions for two years, and I haven't even had seasonal allergy symptoms in all that time. Just give it up, man. I know you're perfectly content with being a shut-in, by your own admission, but I've still got the teeniest cunthair of my youth left to live, and I'm not going to spend it cowering over a disease for pussies and weaklings. It's gonna spread, whether you stay indoors, or not. If that bothers you, then stay inside and pretend as though you have any control over this. Nobody has any control over this, but again, we're playing pretend.

And before you even try, "But if everybody just..." is an absolutely fucktarded argument. Everybody is not just going to do whatever you want them to do. You're not herding sheep, you're dealing with people, and you're going to have to deal with the fact that people have free agency. That was the core takeaway from this, and what the government tried the hardest to remove from people. The only upside is that it very clearly separated the wheat from the chaff in society. If you wanted more people to start trusting what the government has to say, you should have invented that time machine and undone the previous century of political corruption that led to people outright doing the opposite of everything the government says, because they're that untrustworthy. Really.



As for the rest of your post, it was largely pretty sound.
 
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Drain Todger

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Accident at the WIV, probably. Escape of a gain-of-function SARS strain. They immediately moved to cover it all up because it was military research.

This is what happens when you build a BSL-4 lab out of Chinesium and plop it on the outskirts of one of the most populous cities in the world.
I was wrong. It was actually much, much worse than I thought.
The actual situation here is beyond fucked. More than I even thought possible. :stress:
 

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As an addendum:
At minimum, Moderna is connected to the WIV and to the US biodefense network, so we have absolutely no reason to trust anything they've made or put it in our bodies.
 

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I give it 50/50 odds it was released on purpose vs escaped accidentally. Lean towards on purpose. I think it was designed on purpose to be released and help the Great Reset move forward (it sucks as a bioweapon cause apparently it only kills old people, so idk why else they would be doing this """research"""), but maybe it got out earlier than planned. Or maybe they decided they had to release it early to stop Trump. Who knows.

Regardless of how it started, it is now clearly being used by globohomo to push for digital ID, central bank digital currency, and social credit scores.
 

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then flash forward to late 2019
Slight nitpick but the virus was definitely released much, much earlier.
The probable scenarios we're looking at suggest the virus either got away somewhere around late 2018/early 2019 or even earlier somewhere in early 2018,
How do we know this? Because the virus and it's antibodies have been have been found in blood and enviromental samples dating months before the supposed late 2019 release of the virus in Wuhan.

Here are a few:
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32835962/
>SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating in northern Italy since December 2019: Evidence from environmental monitoring
Waste water samples from Milan and Turin. December 2019.

>https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/AEM.02750-20
>Time Evolution of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in Wastewater during the First Pandemic Wave of COVID-19 in the Metropolitan Area of Barcelona, Spain
Waste water samples from Barcelona. January 2020, one full month before the first "official" case. The preprint actually featured a detection from March 2019(!) which was omitted in the final version because it was based on a high cycle PCR test and therefore very uncertain.

>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0300891620974755
>Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy
Decetion of antibodies in people participating in a lung cancer screening in Italy. First probable detection in a sample taken in early September, meaning the person would've had the virus somewhere in August or July.

>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00716-2
>Evidence of early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 in France: findings from the population-based “CONSTANCES” cohort
Antibodies found in France. November 2019.

>https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.26.20140731v1
>SARS-CoV-2 in human sewage in Santa Catalina, Brazil, November 2019
Virus fragments found in waste water samples in Brazil. Dating full two months before the first official cases on the American continent.

Incidentially this also disproves the theory of the "deadly bioweapon strain" released in Wuhan which I've seen thrown around on imageboards.