Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - You Are Not "Vaccine Hesitant" For Using Critical Thinking
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Tell that to the 600k dead Americans and their families, you room-temperature IQ retard
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Up to a million people die of flu directly globally per annum. God knows how many millions die due to complications brought on by influenza. Shall we institute lockdowns for the common cold too?
Covid has a death rate higher than that of the flu and is way more contagious. Overwhelming health care system is a very real thing that could've happened without the lockdowns and even did happen in some areas when they were lifted.
Covid killed over 3.5 million people in a year. The flu usually kills 250-500k world-wide.
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The common flu only kills a fraction of this number without any kind of countermeasures, but I guess that's just yet another sign of some weird nonsensical conspiracy.
The boogeyman grows ever taller and scarier with every proof to his nonexistence.
And not to mention: 600k dead in the USA despite countermeasures like masks, lockdowns, social distancing, etc.
The common flu only kills a fraction of this number without any kind of countermeasures, but I guess that's just yet another sign of some weird nonsensical conspiracy.
The boogeyman grows ever taller and scarier with every proof to his nonexistence.
No, it doesn't. Otherwise, you should count deaths caused by co-morbidities of people sick with flu. You wouldn't like the picture.
And yeah, contagiousness is the entire point of virii - they exists to spread. The less lethal it is, the more it can spread.
The more you treat sceptics as snooty-nosed children, instead of addressing their concerns (especially considering how scientists sold themselves to politicians for good boye points, the fewer people will actually believe you when it's time and an actual death plague is at our doorstep. Choose wisely.
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I should have guessed that you are one of those "covid didn't kill the person, the things covid caused did!" retards. So I guess HIV doesn't kill anyone, but the secondary conditions it leads to does. I guess we should tell the WHO that HIV is harmless because some retard from Russia on Kiwi Farms says so. Stab wounds don't kill people, but the blood loss that it leads to does, so I guess stab wounds don't ever kill anyone, either.
Just when I think you're one of the biggest retards on here, you outdo yourself.
It's cute how uneducated right-wing retards like you think you know more about subjects than people who devoted their lives to studying it. Tell Vladimir that I say hi.
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HIV/AIDS triggers a decreased immune response, making co-morbidities more powerful, while Coronaviridae are more lethal in those who already had a decreased immune response.
Pick up a book or three, brother, instead of being so angry and campaigning for killing babies. Better yet, talk to your partner about her withholding sex from you.
Well, if that's the case, how about you cough up some numbers, then? You're so sure about this, clearly this must be more than just a hunch, right? That won't be happening though, since this is complete horseshit:
Annual hospitalizations for the flu range from 140k to 810k with 12k to 61k deaths per year depending on the severity of the flu. You'd have to assume that in a particularly bad year literally everyone hospitalized for the flu died of a co-morbidity to match the numbers of Corona right now and that is a claim that is simply ludicrous, since it would be almost a third of the entirety of annual deaths in the USA.
I will gladly admit that the number of corona-deaths is inflated due to how they are counted in many places, but even if the number of deaths is inflated by a factor of 10, the annual average of flu deaths (without co-morbidities) would still be lower - and that despite the flu spreading completely unchecked by the countermeasures used to slow down Corona.
Of course, nothing of this matters to you, cause it goes against the narrative you're subscribing to and I will never for the life of me understand what draws you in to that worldview.
My choice? Laughing at you. I don't even humor the thought of converting any of you away from your little cult, I might as well try to order tide to stop.
>snobbish I FACKIN LOVE SAINS type
>calls someone out for being in a cult
Well, I guess it takes one to know one, bubba.
The whole "COMORBIDITY!" thing you tards keep spouting isn't even really that correct. Covid causes things like renal failure and other things, which retards like you then think is a comorbidity. It's not a comorbidity if covid itself caused it.
Yes, there are things that make it more likely to be deadly (obesity, etc) but to say covid is harmless is completely retarded. Then again, you're a Russian right-wing tard who is still assmad that I am getting laid regularly and you aren't, so I shouldn't expect much from you
Oh fuck they are quoting Tim pool now wtf is wrong with them.
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Hey man, how do you know he's not a deathfat boomer behind that keyboard?
Listen buddy, Boomers are worth 500x a baby.
That's what The Science (TM) told me, anyways!
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So Tim pool is wrong exactly how?
you are right tim pool is correct.
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-Trump elected 2020
-Vaccines will fuck you up
Guy is 3/3 he is a modern day Nostradamus.
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mRNA breaks down very rapidly. If the strands are damaged, then the protein won't be produced. mRNA has to translate into something. It just doesn't code for random shit. Its not going to work if it doesn't produce a specific protein.
The mRNA itself doesn't travel far from the site of injection as it was radiolabeled and disappears. The problem is the extent of spike protein accumulation.
I mean, I agree with Dr. Malone here. Obviously there was not proper dose-response testing done in regards to the production of the Spike protein. Which is why we're seeing such reactions. As far as I can tell, he's right in that there have been no dose response studies done in terms of the Spike protein, which is troubling. Which means we don't exactly know how much of the protein is being produced by our cellular machinery and it could vary from person to person depending on genetic factors.
So while the mRNA was radiolabeled, the Spike protein was not. That's a study I'd like to see, radio-labeling of the Spike protein itself and accumulation in specific tissues. That's something we really don't know honestly. The probability is that they over-estimated the mRNA amount and it is probably producing far more Spike protein than is needed to produce a response. So that's why we can be seeing this adverse effect range.
Again, its up to you. But this is the largest clinical trial in history and I understand if you don't want to be a part of it, Most people are focusing on the mRNA, which isn't the problem. Its the production of the protein that is the problem. It is way cheaper to develop an mRNA than have that Spike protein harvested. This probably fucked us over since you don't really need to hypothesize the response in people.
Also, don't forget, COVID and its mutations have very long lasting effects if you do get it. So even if you do survive there will still be long term damage. Yeah, you can probably live and ride it out, but it still is damaging. Now is it as damaging as the vaccine? No, probably not. I would most certainly not give it to children or teens, however. That's completely idiotic.
I mean, when something is pushed so hard you should be skeptical about it. The media is getting retardedly political about it and its pretty fucking disgusting. Usually when you see something being pushed hard, people are going to push back at it. So you look at this shit and go 'What the fuck are you so concerned about'. I mean, it only gets horrifying when its at the point of a gun. Most people still aren't vaccinated and only got one dose.
You're worrying over nothing, All they'd have to do is release hormonal analogues in chemical production, which they already do. Sperm production and testosterone is down in males. The economic conditions are such that people aren't having kids. They don't need to create a vaccine with nefarious products if that was their intention. It is far, far easier to control people's behavior through economic conditions.
Also COVID can enter the brain anyway, so I don't know where you're getting your information from. COVID is pretty much already highly damaging to numerous body tissues. The effects of the vaccine are overloaded immune responses due to over-dosing and possibly a bad target. We don't know yet. I don't think the Spike protein is a bad target, I just think they underestimated just how much Spike protein the mRNA vaccine would produce, didn't account for genetic variation and cellular turnover. Young people's cells turn over more rapidly, so they could pump out more Spike protein theoretically.
We just don't know how much these vaccines are producing in terms of the Spike protein. But they're immunological responses. What could possibly be happening is the Spike protein, being over produced is sticking to cells and the immune system is going and just blowing the ever living shit out of them, instead of the Spike protein itself. Here's the thing, we don't know the Spike protein binding rate alone. You could do an ELISA theoretically and see the amount of Spike protein that binds to cells.
I understand the skepticism, as obviously these vaccines were rushed. But its not a campaign to sterilize anyone. The need to import labor and a labor shortage is evidence of that. Its only a very small percentage who think that. And the amount of people in a mass sterilization campaign would be insane. Especially involved in the production of this vaccine. That's a bugfuck conspiracy notion. I mean, COVID itself is found in testicular tissues. So...
Basically it is all China's fault because they fucked up with their research and their Biolab level '4' was more than likely built half-assed and some gain of function research clearly slipped loose. I've been saying this from the start. The thing is, it just happened to be beneficial for the ultra wealthy.
The lack of counterargument has been duly noted. Well, honestly, it was expected, since I doubt you'd be able to put together anything in return to my counterargument of your utterly vapid point about comorbidities.
The irony of this cult accusation is not lost on me, I am well aware that to you, everyone not bleating the samethink of your silly cult is a cult in itself. But we have a saying in Germany regarding that sad "no you" non-argument: "Was schert's die Eiche, wenn sich eine Wildsau an ihr reibt?".
While we're on the subject of non-arguments: "Autoritätsdusel ist der größte Feind der Wahrheit"
And on the subject of trust: "Ein jeder habe das fröhliche, gesunde Misstrauen" .
And of course, my favourite: Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority.
Time will inevitably show us who's right and who's wrong.
Time won't show you shit, cause you've made up your mind, but congrats on (possibly) being fluent in god's best language.
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