Off-Topic Critical Discussion of Trannies and Pedophilia -

[AbraCadaver]

I thought they started adding 2 Spirit in to bolster their trans/genderfluid/non-binary claims. “Look, being non-binary isn’t a new thing, even the ancient backwards ignorant savages (that we absolutely respect, very fine people) had men dressing as women!! If THEY were fine with it in all their savage primitive ignorance (very fine people, noble savages, so much wisdom, I’m not a racist), then modern society should be fine with people like Oger and Yaniv!”

Meanwhile the people whose cultural history they’re co-opting and mining for legitimacy are mostly annoyed at being included and no one’s listening to them when they say two-spirit had nothing to do with all this.

 

[Sourceress]

I thought they started adding 2 Spirit in to bolster their trans/genderfluid/non-binary claims. “Look, being non-binary isn’t a new thing, even the ancient backwards ignorant savages (that we absolutely respect, very fine people) had men dressing as women!! If THEY were fine with it in all their savage primitive ignorance (very fine people, noble savages, so much wisdom, I’m not a racist), then modern society should be fine with people like Oger and Yaniv!”

Meanwhile the people whose cultural history they’re co-opting and mining for legitimacy are mostly annoyed at being included and no one’s listening to them when they say two-spirit had nothing to do with all this.

That's exactly what it is - they also frequently bring up hijra, ancient Jewish "multiple genders", and any other group of othered or crossdressing or intersex people they can find in antiquity.

It's absurd and it's literally always a case of them taking something that very obviously describes the othering of gay and/or intersex people and deciding that because those people were othered, that means they were actually trans. Like the hijra, who are by and large homosexual men othered for being homosexual. The "multiple genders" referred to in Jewish texts describe intersex conditions. Likewise, in those (very few!) Native cultures that did have what are now called "Two Spirit" people, they were literally homosexual men and women who were othered due to their homosexuality and thus either not allowed to take part in the traditional gendered roles of their people or they were relegated to the gendered activities assigned to the opposite sex.

But of course, to the trans crowd, being gender non-conforming, intersex, or homosexual In The Olden Days means you were actually trans. Which is a fun and nifty way of pretending gay people never existed (they were just "straight trans people"!), gender non-conformity never existed (everyone has to conform to their "chosen" gender!), and intersex people have "always" all been trans. What a hyper-conservative pile of shit.

 

[SourDiesel]

I thought they started adding 2 Spirit in to bolster their trans/genderfluid/non-binary claims. “Look, being non-binary isn’t a new thing, even the ancient backwards ignorant savages (that we absolutely respect, very fine people) had men dressing as women!! If THEY were fine with it in all their savage primitive ignorance (very fine people, noble savages, so much wisdom, I’m not a racist), then modern society should be fine with people like Oger and Yaniv!”

Meanwhile the people whose cultural history they’re co-opting and mining for legitimacy are mostly annoyed at being included and no one’s listening to them when they say two-spirit had nothing to do with all this.

Honestly, some native people do have a third gender category for those they deem "abnormal". In the sane world, we would recognize this as basically telling dudes that don't want to fight buffalo that they aren't real men and isolating them from the group. But since that's essentially exactly what trans ideology says is woke, they decided it was so very progressive of them.

Edit: ninja'd

 

[AbraCadaver]

That's exactly what it is - they also frequently bring up hijra, ancient Jewish "multiple genders", and any other group of othered or crossdressing or intersex people they can find in antiquity.

It's absurd and it's literally always a case of them taking something that very obviously describes the othering of gay and/or intersex people and deciding that because those people were othered, that means they were actually trans. Like the hijra, who are by and large homosexual men othered for being homosexual. The "multiple genders" referred to in Jewish texts describe intersex conditions. Likewise, in those (very few!) Native cultures that did have what are now called "Two Spirit" people, they were literally homosexual men and women who were othered due to their homosexuality and thus either not allowed to take part in the traditional gendered roles of their people or they were relegated to the gendered activities assigned to the opposite sex.

But of course, to the trans crowd, being gender non-conforming, intersex, or homosexual In The Olden Days means you were actually trans. Which is a fun and nifty way of pretending gay people never existed (they were just "straight trans people"!), gender non-conformity never existed (everyone has to conform to their "chosen" gender!), and intersex people have "always" all been trans. What a hyper-conservative pile of shit.

Any appeal to antiquity, I suppose. It is funny that sjws scream about cultural appropriation, even in pointless things like wearing clothes from another country, then they grab another culture’s history, rewrite it and stitch it onto their rainbow quilt when it suits their cause.

I do love the sanctimonious attitude when they decide to redefine something not-trans as trans or non-genderfluid as such. When they say “We should really be having a dialogue about the cultural significance of this and how it parallels modern ideas”, what they mean is “piss off native, you may be from that culture but you’re STRAIGHT and I bet you haven’t researched your own history at all. I’m a genderqueer white woman who read wikipedia, so as a queer person I’m more entitled to interpret your two-spirit cultural history than you are. and I say it belongs in my alphabet oppression soup.”

 

[Sourceress]

Any appeal to antiquity, I suppose. It is funny that sjws scream about cultural appropriation, even in pointless things like wearing clothes from another country, then they grab another culture’s history, rewrite it and stitch it onto their rainbow quilt when it suits their cause.

I do love the sanctimonious attitude when they decide to redefine something not-trans as trans or non-genderfluid as such. When they say “We should really be having a dialogue about the cultural significance of this and how it parallels modern ideas”, what they mean is “piss off native, you may be from that culture but you’re STRAIGHT and I bet you haven’t researched your own history at all. I’m a genderqueer white woman who read wikipedia, so as a queer person I’m more entitled to interpret your two-spirit cultural history than you are. and I say it belongs in my alphabet oppression soup.”

Yup. It's the same song and dance they use when they try to trans historical lesbians who disguised themselves as men so they could like.. you know, love women openly without being murdered and all that jazz. Straight women in drag screaming, "I know your culture better than you and that woman who only lived as a man so she could marry her partner legally during Victorian times was definitely NOT a lesbian, they were a straight transman you stupid dyke! Lesbians don't real!"

Anything to legitimize their conservative baby movement and make it sound like it's older than 2005 I guess. Bonus points if they can use that legitimization to erase the existence of historical gays and lesbians (and gender non-conforming people in general), since trans activists fucking hate homosexuals and legit think they don't (or shouldn't) exist.

 

[Abortions4All]

It's because it's a conservative movement based on sterilizing autistic kids, mentally ill people, rape victims, and homosexuals.

They're literally appealing to antiquity using societies that hated women and gay people. India's hijra and Thailand's ladyboys could only evolve in political and social climates that were deeply anti-gay and considered bottoming so feminine that it canceled your manhood card.

The reason people have really noticed troons recently is that the hetero ones want the same recognition and to pretend they're the other kind.

 

[AbraCadaver]

Yup. It's the same song and dance they use when they try to trans historical lesbians who disguised themselves as men so they could like.. you know, love women openly without being murdered and all that jazz. Straight women in drag screaming, "I know your culture better than you and that woman who only lived as a man so she could marry her partner legally during Victorian times was definitely NOT a lesbian, they were a straight transman you stupid dyke! Lesbians don't real!"

Anything to legitimize their conservative baby movement and make it sound like it's older than 2005 I guess. Bonus points if they can use that legitimization to erase the existence of historical gays and lesbians (and gender non-conforming people in general), since trans activists fucking hate homosexuals and legit think they don't (or shouldn't) exist.

“Gender constructs are totally cultural and don’t really exist, men can wear skirts, women can be mechanics, toys shouldn’t be labeled by gender for kids, everyone is on a spectrum of self-expression that has nothing to do with their real gender identity!”

Also

“That woman wore trousers back in the day SHE WAS CLEARLY A MAN INSIDE.”

Can you guys take the two spirit talk to one of the tranny threads and stop bloating up this thread about Yaniv being a pedo?

Yaniv has two spirits inside him...pedophile and mumfucker.

 

[Sourceress]

“Gender constructs are totally cultural and don’t really exist, men can wear skirts, women can be mechanics, toys shouldn’t be labeled by gender for kids, everyone is on a spectrum of self-expression that has nothing to do with their real gender identity!”

Also

“That woman wore trousers back in the day SHE WAS CLEARLY A MAN INSIDE.”

They gave up on that first part a long time ago now. They don't advocate that men can wear skirts - they advocate that any man who wears skirts must be a woman inside. Fucking loons.

 

[AbraCadaver]

They gave up on that first part a long time ago now. They don't advocate that men can wear skirts - they advocate that any man who wears skirts must be a woman inside. Fucking loons.

Oh thank god. We can stop labeling the dolls aisle at the toy store “children’s toys” and just label it “girls and soon-to-be-girls.”

 

[Junkail]

They gave up on that first part a long time ago now. They don't advocate that men can wear skirts - they advocate that any man who wears skirts must be a woman inside. Fucking loons.

And that all women must wax their balls.

 

[Sourceress]

And that all women must wax their balls.

But of course! After all, "sex is a spectrum" and "there's no such thing as male and female". Same reason they think lesbians have to fuck men, gay men have to fuck women, breastfeeding now has to be called "chestfeeding," "people" get pregnant instead of women, etc. etc. so wax those fucking balls, you bigot, women have penises now!

 

[AbraCadaver]

But of course! After all, "sex is a spectrum" and "there's no such thing as male and female". Same reason they think lesbians have to fuck men, gay men have to fuck women, breastfeeding now has to be called "chestfeeding," "people" get pregnant instead of women, etc. etc. so wax those fucking balls, you bigot, women have penises now!

If you say your dick is a female organ, it is.

If you say you’re a man who likes wearing skirts...fuck you no you don’t, you’re a woman. Stop lying to yourself and transition.

I don’t get this timeline.

 

[Sourceress]

If you say your dick is a female organ, it is.

If you say you’re a man who likes wearing skirts...fuck you no you don’t, you’re a woman. Stop lying to yourself and transition.

I don’t get this timeline.

Right? Me, either. Anyone else remember when the trans movement had an aneurysm because Jaden Smith (I think it was?) wore a skirt and proclaimed that dudes can wear skirts, and they declared it was "transphobic"? lol

My gf and I have a running gag at this point about how many times we've been "disqualified" as women by the troon squad for things like wearing men's t-shirts and having short hair lol. Just read a troon blog and see how long until you have to go "Ah dammit, I guess I'm a man again!"

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

It's because it's a conservative movement based on sterilizing autistic kids, mentally ill people, rape victims, and homosexuals.

They're literally appealing to antiquity using societies that hated women and gay people. India's hijra and Thailand's ladyboys could only evolve in political and social climates that were deeply anti-gay and considered bottoming so feminine that it canceled your manhood card.

The reason people have really noticed troons recently is that the hetero ones want the same recognition and to pretend they're the other kind.

There is nothing at all "conservative" about radically redefining basic social institutions and tearing apart the basics of biology itself.

 

[Sourceress]

There is nothing at all "conservative" about radically redefining basic social institutions and tearing apart the basics of biology itself.

That depends on how you're redefining them, really. Trans activists are redefining social institutions, biology, and other things in a fundamentally conservative way: Gender roles are sacrosanct, gays don't exist and/or are evil disgusting heathens, women don't have rights, men get to define everything including the meaning of womanhood... those are conservative ideas. The idea that gender non-conforming and homosexual people can (and need to be) be "fixed" to be "straight" via transition and sterilization is a conservative idea - Iran currently forcibly transitions homosexuals (or kills them - you get to pick, and they don't really care which one you go for), in the UK they used to give convicted homosexuals estrogen (see: Turing), and of course most Western countries have a storied history of forcibly sterilizing the mentally ill, autistic people, and other minorities. The idea that gay and gnc people should be othered and can't be considered normal men or women is conservative.

Basically, transactivism is what happens when you go so far left you end up in the far right.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

That depends on how you're redefining them, really. Trans activists are redefining social institutions, biology, and other things in a fundamentally conservative way: Gender roles are sacrosanct, gays don't exist and/or are evil disgusting heathens, women don't have rights, men get to define everything including the meaning of womanhood... those are conservative ideas. The idea that gender non-conforming and homosexual people can (and need to be) be "fixed" to be "straight" via transition and sterilization is a conservative idea - Iran currently forcibly transitions homosexuals (or kills them - you get to pick, and they don't really care which one you go for), in the UK they used to give convicted homosexuals estrogen (see: Turing), and of course most Western countries have a storied history of forcibly sterilizing the mentally ill, autistic people, and other minorities. The idea that gay and gnc people should be othered and can't be considered normal men or women is conservative.

Basically, transactivism is what happens when you go so far left you end up in the far right.

I guess you could argue it is in some cases reactionary. I don't buy the radfem line that it's all about abolishing lesbians though. The people doing it don't care if that happens, so they aren't exactly pro-lez, but it's not in any way a main goal. Nor do they want to eliminate gay men. Just look at the sheer number of heterosexuals versus homosexuals caught up in the current fad and you can see it clearly isn't about that at all. Even most of the ROGD girls are straight wanting to be uwu softbois, and most of their parents are vapid Target-shopping soccer mom liberals, not bible thumpers. It's not gay genocide. It's just next level perversity. They pushed the old boundaries until they gave way, now it's time to go after the next one, and the one after that, and so on.

Anyhow:

conservative

• adj.
  Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
• adj.
  Traditional or restrained in style.
• adj.
  Moderate; cautious.

 

[AbraCadaver]

I guess you could argue it is in some cases reactionary. I don't buy the radfem line that it's all about abolishing lesbians though. The people doing it don't care if that happens, so they aren't exactly pro-lez, but it's not in any way a main goal. Nor do they want to eliminate gay men. Just look at the sheer number of heterosexuals versus homosexuals caught up in the current fad and you can see it clearly isn't about that at all. Even most of the ROGD girls are straight wanting to be uwu softbois, and most of their parents are vapid Target-shopping soccer mom liberals, not bible thumpers. It's not gay genocide. It's just next level perversity. They pushed the old boundaries until they gave way, now it's time to go after the next one, and the one after that, and so on.

Anyhow:

Remember back in the day when, if a girl wanted to get attention at school, she’d buy mall-goth pentagrams and tell everyone she was a witch?

Now being wiccan is a chubby older lesbian thing and no longer edgy. So I guess the kids have to dress as boys and demand to be called “xim/xer” to make people pay attention to them. Seems like so much more work.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Remember back in the day when, if a girl wanted to get attention at school, she’d buy mall-goth pentagrams and tell everyone she was a witch?

Now being wiccan is a chubby older lesbian thing and no longer edgy. So I guess the kids have to dress as boys and demand to be called “xim/xer” to make people pay attention to them. Seems like so much more work.

Yeah I would say it is much more like a teen witch phase or edgy bisexualism than conversion therapy or whatever. Especially the enby shit, which is the low effort Hot Topic version of troonery.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

Link to the NHS Tavistock leaks? They sound REALLY juicy.

Here's the Times coverage of it: http://archive.md/FYWSN
There's a lot of horrific stuff in there, the bit about the paedo dad is here:

"One case has haunted her. “All the pushing was coming from the father to put the kid on puberty blockers. Thinking back on it now, I fear that the father was a paedophile and the child was being abused.” There is no suggestion the service knowingly ignored the case, and the outcome is unknown. "

What makes you think NAMBLA is on the trans bandwagon? It makes sense, but if there's a proven link between the two it would be interesting to see.

Ah, I meant they had been riding the gay rights bandwagon to push their nonce agenda. I'm not sure if they're on the trans bandwagon now, but former PIE members and supporters certainly are. Tom O'Carroll, convicted paedophile and former chairman of PIE, is a big fan of "drag kids" and parents trooning out their kids, he'd posted about Desmond Is Amazing, whose parents have a thread here.

 

[W00K #17]

"NAMBLA was always shot to pieces by the gay rights movement, so why the fuck is this so nascent in modern parlance?"


No it wasnt, nambla was one of the biggest players in the early gay rights movement. Only after public pressure and because it was an image problem did they kick them to the curb. They ditched them because it was a PR issue, not because the gay movement actually had any moral qualms about molesting children.