I don't think you can quantify something like that, on a precise level, beyond the systems we have in place (which are designed to modulate Left to Right for this exact reason). There is just too much complexity in the world, too many variations, too much happenstance, and ceaseless data. I think like everything it has to be done on a case by case basis, purely on the individual level, which is what has always defined us Westerners.One needs a set of standard for calibration ..where might those be found?
A society can't be ruled exclusively by Science, or rather pure rationality. Some allowance for insanity is necessary."I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."
You can build a man a perfect utopian society, but all he will do is smash it down. We need a little crazy, just as much as we need order. Our society is shockingly well built, although I don't think you can give credit to one singular person, but rather we found ourselves at this point naturally. We instinctively came to this conclusion through basic trial and error. In some sense, if you wanted to accept full on insanity, you might even go on to suggest that it's perfect. Although I don't think i'm quite that insane, yet."And why are you so firmly, so triumphantly, convinced that only the normal and the positive – in other words, only what is conducive to welfare – is for the advantage of man? Is not reason in error as regards advantage? Does not man, perhaps, love something besides well-being? Perhaps he is just as fond of suffering? Perhaps suffering is just as great a benefit to him as well-being? Man is sometimes extraordinarily, passionately, in love with suffering, and that is a fact. There is no need to appeal to universal history to prove that; only ask yourself, if you are a man and have lived at all. As far as my personal opinion is concerned, to care only for well-being seems to me positively ill-bred. Whether it's good or bad, it is sometimes very pleasant, too, to smash things."
I prefer Hugo Black's view of First Amendment protections, which is not that of Stewart "I know it when I see it," but instead, quite simply that the government has no authority to regulate it whatsoever so should not even be inquiring into the subject matter or content of expressive material at all, ever, full stop. In short, "Congress shall make no law" should mean Congress shall make no law.
The eerie thing now is that it's not strictly governments that are trying to reduce free speech but it's private companies that are trying to push the overton window so over time due to social media influences and popular trends the courts could be filled with indoctrinated crazy people but we've been boiled so slowly that doing anything effective against it would be seen by the public at large as a "free speech extremist" whatever the fuck that means.I prefer Hugo Black's view of First Amendment protections, which is not that of Stewart "I know it when I see it," but instead, quite simply that the government has no authority to regulate it whatsoever so should not even be inquiring into the subject matter or content of expressive material at all, ever, full stop. In short, "Congress shall make no law" should mean Congress shall make no law.
Then, for reasons I'm still trying to properly understand and chronologize, the entire movement was
hijackedtaken over by these freaks who changed the whole message to:
We gotta love, tolerate, and accept EVERYONE!!!!
Queering societyMore like mutating into more virulent strains....NAMBLA is trying to jump on the LBGTQXYZ train.
We're to accept desmond as "normal"?
You might be a Libertarian. I know I am.Again pigeon holing....People can't find common ground if they're cast into specific groups.
I consider myself a "conservative", yet I have conservatives telling me I'm not.
I'm a rabid atheist, I don't believe ANY religion should be taught in schools, which doesn't fit the agenda.
I'm pro 2nd amend. which the progressives & libs say makes me a "conservative".
I support gay rights which "conservatives" would say makes me a lib.
I'm against trans being in sports competing against bio males or females...Guess that makes me a "conservative" transphobe?
I don't think JY fits into any of the categories, & is just using it for his own sick needs. Yet in the beginning anyone against him was automatically labeled a "transphobe"....same with rachel mckenna.
Remember it's his rights as a protected class that he used to start this shitshow
We won't have common ground until we get past this
"U don't like me because I'm gay"....(insert those who support desmond) No...I think U specifically are an asshole
"U don't like me because I'm Black" ...(insert al sharpton) No...I think U specifically are an asshole
"U don't like me because I'm a woman...(insert linda sasour) No...I think U specifically are an asshole
if one can't call a person out without being accused of demonizing a whole group....we have a problem
And this is what the whole JY controversy is about
I'm sorry but fucking kids is wrong. I watched the video. I couldn't agree with it. I don't think you like kids.Speaking of NAMBLA, here is a fascinating documentary called ChickenHawk: Men Who Love Boys (1994).
Definitely worth checking out. I am unsure where to archive YouTube videos, archive.org?
This movie is in no way, shape or form anything other then neutral. Which is quite the accomplishment, considering the subjects are homosexual pedophile men who redirect their interests into political lobbying. It resists the temptation to condemn them, and instead gives them enough rope to hang themselves, which of course they do.
One scene has footage of NAMBLA members attempting to normalize themselves as part of the LGBT movement, trying to march in a gay/lesbian parade, with other marchers telling them to get lost.
The film is also an excellent psychological study of how some people, pedophiles in particular, will lie to themselves in order to remain happy. Does this sound like another group we know?
See how the man Leland repeatedly talks about how it's the children who really go out of their way to "seduce" him, but then when we actually see footage of him interacting with a child outside a store, it becomes clear that he is the predator in the situation and that the child wants to leave, but in the interview after that scene, Leland STILL describes it in terms of the child "flirting" with him. The film makes clear that these people can only live with themselves by constructing an elaborate fantasy world.
NAMBLA was on its way out as an organization even when this was being filmed, but their legacy sure seems to live on.
Yeah, that's where I draw the line. Free speech is all well and good until you hit stuff like child porn. There are things that should be outlawed. You have to go pretty far to get to the point where I start to think censorship is a good thing -- but, for me, child porn is where I hit the wall and why I can't be completely anti-censorship.I'm sorry but fucking kids is wrong. I watched the video. I couldn't agree with it.
I totally agree.Yeah, that's where I draw the line. Free speech is all well and good until you hit stuff like child porn. There are things that should be outlawed. You have to go pretty far to get to the point where I start to think censorship is a good thing -- but, for me, child porn is where I hit the wall and why I can't be completely anti-censorship.
There are a lot of gross, vile, immoral things that adults can do to and with each other. But as long as they are consenting adults and they don't put it out in the public where I am forced to watch it -- It's not my business. But, horrible acts involving animals, children, and non-consenting adults -- hell no. I'm ready to open the gulags and/or concentration camps and fire up the ovens.
They can also be fed Soylent via a biomechanical nipple in their cell in the hive, rather like bees being refueled with stored honey in winter.I think that Uncle Ted would say that trannies are selected for by the industrial system. Trannies are sterile, meaning that they reduce population growth. Immigration is favored by the system over population growth because it minimizes wages, and reduces demands on utilities and resources. Trannies also are more willing to work longer hours than real women, dont have families to distract them, and dont get pregnant. This makes them more advantageous than hiring real women.
In stupidity dwells genius.as a newcomer to kiwifarms, it really amuses me to see how a lot of stupid shit is kept on the site, just so people can make up their own mind, rather than relying on a cadre of moderators to do that decision for you, as is the case for almost every other forum on the internet. the beginning of this thread is so dumb and I love it. peak of "mad at the internet".
Speaking of Tom O'Carroll, is it at all possible to dox the fucker?Here's the Times coverage of it: http://archive.li/FYWSN
There's a lot of horrific stuff in there, the bit about the paedo dad is here:
"One case has haunted her. “All the pushing was coming from the father to put the kid on puberty blockers. Thinking back on it now, I fear that the father was a paedophile and the child was being abused.” There is no suggestion the service knowingly ignored the case, and the outcome is unknown. "
Ah, I meant they had been riding the gay rights bandwagon to push their nonce agenda. I'm not sure if they're on the trans bandwagon now, but former PIE members and supporters certainly are. Tom O'Carroll, convicted paedophile and former chairman of PIE, is a big fan of "drag kids" and parents trooning out their kids, he'd posted about Desmond Is Amazing, whose parents have a thread here.
Tom O'Carroll isn't developmentally messed up or of abnormally low IQ. He wasn't sexually abused as a kid. He's decided it's OK to have sex with kids and uses his intellect to rationalize that and convince others it's fine with word games.
I’m genuinely shocked no one has taken him out yet, or at least have tried.Tom O'Carroll isn't developmentally messed up or of abnormally low IQ. He wasn't sexually abused as a kid. He's decided it's OK to have sex with kids and uses his intellect to rationalize that and convince others it's fine with word games.
E.g. the rather naive interviewer asks him about him seeking out jobs where he'd be in proximity with children which he would then abuse and if this is obsessive and predatory. Look how slippery he is in comparing this to the way men in sexually repressed Middle Eastern countries turn to homosexuality.
I.e, it's all society's fault! If only we were all a bit more accepting of his predatory behavior. Though of course, he quibbles about the semantics of the word predatory, pointing out when animals are predatory they're trying to kill each other whereas he was just looking for a relationship! Oh and that being 'obsessive' isn't necessarily a bad thing - most Nobel Prize winners were 'obsessive' after all.
This is what evil looks like - some guy going through life doing enormous damage, being utterly indifferent to it and batting away criticism by quibbling about semantics.
At the risk of a-logging, this dude should be locked up indefinitely. Or worse. Either way, he should not be walking around free because he is much too dangerous.
It's odd how everyone hates pedos in theory but in practice, the media and legal system seem to collude to make sure nothing too terrible happens to them. Almost like the media and legal system is full of pedos or something.I’m genuinely shocked no one has taken him out yet, or at least have tried.
It's odd how everyone hates pedos in theory but in practice, the media and legal system seem to collude to make sure nothing too terrible happens to them. Almost like the media and legal system is full of pedos or something.
My research concurs. It does seem that pressure from rad fems and lesbians helped kick out PIE and Nambla. They just move on and change their names. The Trudeau Foundation has the triangular boylover symbol.The media and LGBT community were defending the right for a guy named "John Robin sharpe" to make Child porn drawings in the 90's in Vancouver.
It later changed to trying to legalize turning actual Child porn photo's and videos into "Drawings" and "Cartoons" using Photoshop and Video editor filters
on the condition that the original photo's and videos were deleted after the conversion was complete.
I was at that court case as well. The fucker tried to sit next to me in the court room one day and I told him to get the fuck away from me in case
someone walked into the place with a gun to kill him.
The LGBT community also claims they block NAMBLA from marching in their parades but they didn't in the 70's and the 80's
they only did so when the normal world found out what the letters in the name stood for and they were forced to kick them out.
I lived on Church street in Toronto in the 80's, NAMBLA marched in their parades. There were no smartphones back then and camcorders
were expensive as hell, so there's little or no evidence that exists now to show.