Crystal Weston Chandler...Is Chris? -

[cwcvillemayoress]

Uh If there is a thread for this move it to it's rightful place

I had a thought, Chris's tomgirl persona is the talk of the forums and I came to this conclusion as I read more and more about it.

That his need for having someone named after him only with a feminine twist was unleashed when he started cross-dressing.

Maybe Chris himself has fulfilled the need to become Crystal Weston Chandler? Maybe he thought if he channeled his inner femininity that he'd be both a father and daughter to the daughter that will never come into existence?

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

I think you're overthinking it. I think he's just got this simplistic mindset of "girls good, men bad," although many of the posts from the leak show that he hates and misunderstands women just as badly as men. And he wants to be the one he thinks gets to be passive in a m/f relationship, because Chris is the very definition of passive.

 

[BillRiley]

I'm pretty sure Chris' desire for a sweet little girl named after the illustrious metal dug from the ground predates this whole "Tomgirl" business. Though it all seems part-and-parcel of his general gender confusion.

 

[cubesandcubes]

I would like to think of the two phenomena listed above as kind of dovetailing together in chris' mind.

 

[JULAY]

I'm pretty sure Chris' desire for a sweet little girl named after the illustrious metal dug from the ground predates this whole "Tomgirl" business. Though it all seems part-and-parcel of his general gender confusion.

This.

Chris has been talking about "Crystal" since day 1. And also, gender confusion.

But remember kids, HE IS STRAIGHT.

 

[Metagross]

I don't think it's that deep, but I think Chris just has an attraction to all things feminine, so aspiring to have a daughter with long hair who dresses in pretty clothes and other such feminine things to love is just an outlet to love (and indulge in) 'feminine' things in general. He wants a daughter because he wants to love all forms of femininity???

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I was wondering when someone was gonna catch on to the truth.

 

[thebonesauce]

He's just slowly devolving from autistic manchild to psychopathic murderous lunatic. Sometimes I get the feeling he's one mental breakdown away from murdering EVERYONE.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

Greetings, Anthony LoGatto.

 

[Thepicklesuit]

I don't think he feels like that right now but in the future I could see him going full tomgirl and consider himself a lesbian. I'm sure if he does do this he would give himself that name.

 

[Zim]

Honestly when I first saw the tomgirl photos I was sure that in lue of finding a sweetheart he just gave up and became his own sweetheart. Now I'm pretty sure he just decided that to attract girls he needed to be more girly or something. Who know for sure, though. He's dumb as a bag of hammers. The mind of Chris is a confusing place.

 

[Anchuent Christory]

It's an interesting theory, but I reckon you're overthinking it. People do tend to do that (myself included) because it's very difficult for a normal, socially adjusted person to get down to Chris' level and understand his thought processes.

The general consensus on the Tomgirling seems to be.

hris has always held women in higher regard than men and wants to adopt female traits in a bid to distance himself from JERKS.

hris believes that taking on female characteristics will show that he has more in common with women and will somehow make him more attractive to them.

hris wants to adopt the "passive" role in a relationship, which mass media tells him is traditionally held by the woman and involves nothing more than sitting in the house pursuing their own interests whilst the partner goes to work and takes on all the responsibility.

I don't think Chris wants to be a woman, he's claimed masculinity in the past. I just think he doesn't want the responsibilities of being a man, or at least what television tells him the responsibilities of being a man is. What he fails to realize is that it's not about being a man or a woman, it's about being an adult and really it's the responsibilities of growing up that he's avoiding. Chris wants to cherry pick elements of adulthood that appeal to him like driving, sex, playing mature games, drinking and "earning" money, whist retaining all the attractions of being a child such as playing with his toys, not having to work and having somebody else do everything for him.

That's just my two cents anyway.

 

[Marvin]

I don't think he feels like that right now but in the future I could see him going full tomgirl and consider himself a lesbian. I'm sure if he does do this he would give himself that name.

A tomgirl isn't female, so Chris wouldn't (on his own, at least) call himself a lesbian.

It's an interesting theory, but I reckon you're overthinking it. People do tend to do that (myself included) because it's very difficult for a normal, socially adjusted person to get down to Chris' level and understand his thought processes.

The general consensus on the Tomgirling seems to be.

hris has always held women in higher regard than men and wants to adopt female traits in a bid to distance himself from JERKS.

hris believes that taking on female characteristics will show that he has more in common with women and will somehow make him more attractive to them.

hris wants to adopt the "passive" role in a relationship, which mass media tells him is traditionally held by the woman and involves nothing more than sitting in the house pursuing their own interests whilst the partner goes to work and takes on all the responsibility.

I don't think Chris wants to be a woman, he's claimed masculinity in the past. I just think he doesn't want the responsibilities of being a man, or at least what television tells him the responsibilities of being a man is. What he fails to realize is that it's not about being a man or a woman, it's about being an adult and really it's the responsibilities of growing up that he's avoiding. Chris wants to cherry pick elements of adulthood that appeal to him like driving, sex, playing mature games, drinking and "earning" money, whist retaining all the attractions of being a child such as playing with his toys, not having to work and having somebody else do everything for him.

That's just my two cents anyway.

This was the standard theory for awhile, but it turns out Chris is a lot more messed up than anyone thought. He has serious gender issues. He doesn't have the resources or the understanding to do anything about it, though.

 

[93Aiwass]

I don't think he feels like that right now but in the future I could see him going full tomgirl and consider himself a lesbian. I'm sure if he does do this he would give himself that name.

*facepalm* Yeah, when I started transition five and a half years ago, I was afraid I would turn out to be something like Chris-tran. Even though I still have a lot of work to do, I didn't become anything like Chris and I am happy for that fact.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

This was the standard theory for awhile, but it turns out Chris is a lot more messed up than anyone thought. He has serious gender issues. He doesn't have the resources or the understanding to do anything about it, though.

Yep.

A little while ago Marvin and I were talking, and I came up with an idea: He has always been so invested in the idea of having Crystal, and giving her a "perfect" childhood, because I think he would want to live vicariously through her. He wants her childhood to be free of the traumas and disappointments he feels he unfairly endured.

Difficult to do in practice, of course, but now - while "Crystal" is just a hypothetical twinkle in his eye - he can fantasize about Crystal having a fun childhood, but he's really placing himself into her position in whatever daydream he's having.

Jury's still out on whether he specifically fantasizes about a female daughter because he wants to fantasize about being a female daughter. If his gender issues have nothing to do with it, then it's more about Chris wanting to relive childhood as he envisions it, and he focused on a daughter either incidentally, or it's just an extension of his general distaste for men.

 

[DrChristianTroy]

Does he still want Crystal? While I'm sure he still wants the whole wife/kids/househusband deal does he still want Crystal in particular? It's been quite some time since he has mentioned her. At least publiclly/in a leak.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Crystal was invented before Chris went through his late, late puberty, right? Started as a twin sister, then became a girlfriend, then daughter. My guess is that Chris didn't put too much thought into Crystal besides that she was the perfect woman (being a female version of the perfect man, CWC). Her purpose was probably always just to cure Chris's loneliness - the "daughter" bit presumably being just a retcon after someone called him out on the incest thing.

I wonder if Crystal was inspired in part by "Where's Waldo" 's girlfriend who wore the same stripes and hat. Chris was the right age to read those instead of doing schoolwork.

 

[Marvin]

Does he still want Crystal? While I'm sure he still wants the whole wife/kids/househusband deal does he still want Crystal in particular? It's been quite some time since he has mentioned her. At least publiclly/in a leak.

Hasn't talked about her, probably doesn't care as much, I guess she's still part of his future fantasy, but I think he's a lot more worried about getting there in the first place. He's trying his best (that is, pestering anyone around him) to get a girlfriend as the first step.

 

[Kindness Coin]

Alternative theory:

Chris is very confused about gender roles in general. E.g. he seems to think that women will approach HIM if he just stands around looking available. And while it's not unheard of for women to do the approaching, he doesn't seem to understand that the expectation, the norm, is still for the man to do so. Another example: 'riding' his love dolls ...

From this, I conclude that Chris doesn't really grasp that there's a difference in attraction for men and women. He knows that he, like most other (heterosexual) men, find his attention drawn to women who are physically attractive and show a lot of skin. His mistake is that he thinks women find the same things attractive in men. I don't mean to suggest that physical attraction is not important for women, but Chris sends pictures of his naked ass to potential sweethearts. Just his naked ass.

So maybe Chris's logic is that, because he is attracted to women who wear makeup, long hair and mini skirts, they will be attracted to him if he wears makeup, long hair and mini skirts. It's the most rational explanation I can come up with for him simultaneously being a tomgirl and continuing to seek china. But then this is Chris so maybe rational explanations are sort of irrelevant.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, that's a pretty solid description of Chris' thoughts. But just to reiterate, Chris has some serious gender issues, unrelated to what you talked about. Trust me.