DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[Pretty Boy Extremism]

Okay let me explain how the ranking system works in Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown, to the best of my knowledge -

You start out at 1st Kyu, which is Level 1. There are 10 Kyu ranks, and you level up quickly through these. You don't lose ranking points for losses, all you have to do is keep playing and winning and you'll keep levelling up.

Level 11 is 1st Dan, and it advances all the way up to 10th Dan at Level 20. You still don't lose points on losses, but it takes a bit longer to move up each rank as you go higher.

At Level 21, you hit "Hunter" rank, and all ranks after that are special names. Starting at Hunter rank you DO lose points for losses, but you can not fall below Hunter rank. If you make it to Level 22, which is "Raider", and you lose too much, you can get demoted back down to Hunter. I believe you have to be playing people of similar rank to gain the most points, too.

When you do matchmaking, you can set it to find people either by "close" rank (which is usually within 5 levels of you, higher or lower), or you can search for ANY rank. I am sure Dave was searching by close rank, and was getting all those scrubs for the first few streams. When he switched to Shun he actually did sort of stumble upon a good scrubkiller strat - that punch into low kick combo of Shun's, which lets you followup with an elbow attack when they're on the ground (if they don't tech roll). He ran into lots of people that just simply would not block that low kick, so he spammed the shit out of that string over and over on people. Call it dumb pigroach luck that he managed to get this far.

But upon making it to Hunter rank, now he's stuck - he's only playing people within like a Level 16-26 range, so at this point he's bound to start running into people that recognize how to block low since he keeps going for that string over and over, and once they start punishing that, he's lost since he has no idea what to do otherwise. He did scrub out some wins here and there (even beat a Level 23 Akira 2-1), but for the most part all he did was lose more than he won so he never made it past Hunter rank tonight, as now he's stuck at a level where people can mostly adapt to what he's doing.

Although he's not actually stuck since he's going to quit the game because of a combination of salt and low tips. You ducked playing GG Strive for this, Phil?

I am gonna be pedantic and correct one thing, but it's pretty much irrelevant to the overall point. During kyu ranks you get rank points and even rank up when losing, while with dan ranks you have to win to get rank up points and get promoted, but the amount of rank-up points you lose when losing in dan ranks is miniscule compared to how many you get by winning and you still can't be demoted at all, that's why he still sometimes encountered Derichs who spam 2-3 shitty strings at high dan levels. Otherwise you're completely correct, that's why I predicted that once he goes to named ranks he's gonna ragenot-having-funquit since at that point he'll play people who know how to do the "advanced" technique of launch punishing his -21 on block move. The Brad player from the stream before yesterday's was the canary in the coal mine since he recognized that he could just do a launcher (or a "mid-style floaty move" as the former pro fighting game player calls them) on Dave since he not only doesn't know how to step or punish them, he doesn't even block them because he keeps pushing buttons on wakeup and gets stuffed by it again and again. We've seen this play out multiple times on yesterday's stream.

Of course, Dave claimed that knowing how to sidestep and how to punish as well as how to do juggles is "abusive stuff" because he's a little bitch and a scrub who refuses to learn or adapt and hell, most of the times he doesn't even know what's happening on screen because he thinks something works the same way in VF as it does in another fighting game series when it doesn't. For example, he claimed that all of those moves are "safe counter hit launchers just like Tekken" but they're not. He got hit on counter hit because he's a mashing scrub but those moves that blew him up also launch on normal hit, plus as I said as a rule of thumb every mid launcher in VF is at least throw punishable and characters with a quick high launcher like Goh and Akira's 46P can even launch punish them. Good, safe counter hit launchers are actually really rare in VF and only a handful of characters have them. It's actually a really smart way of balancing the game because that way you don't have to learn each matchup in-depth, if you face a character for the first time and you block a launcher that successfully hit you earlier in the match, you know that you can at least attempt a throw punish. That's also why there's a few basic generic moves that every character has with the same properties across the board.

He just refuses to learn because he's regressed to the mental state of a toddler and you have to let him win or he starts crying. He's so fucking lazy that he can't look shit up on VFDC, a website where they have frame data and combo lists for each character and each launcher. They also have in-depth beginner's guides for all of the mechanics as well as quick beginner's guides for every character, they list out the best moves in a character's arsenal so you don't get immediately overwhelmed by their move lists wondering which moves are good in most situations and which are not. Instead, when he gets destroyed and doesn't know how to do even the most basic stuff in the game it's the fault of the game, it's the fault of the opponent, they made him lose, not his shitty gameplay.

Also, I saw that Pai player who I know is a streamsniper push Dave's shit in again yesterday. Big ups once again.

 

[HorseSense]

It's a shame VF5 is going to banworld. So many bad assumptions and bad practices really bring out his Inner Scrub. My favorite is how he expects to be able to visually determine frame data. That cascaded into his inability to understand defensive options and throws.

VF set the gold standard for presenting frame data to the player. Yet again, DSP was given a tool and was too arrogant to use it.

 

[PieceofShet]

Divinity died for this?

 

[100% VIRGIN M00TY]

"If it was a hawt new release..." Oh you mean like GG? Poor wage quit excuse.

I caught some of his matches live and there was something really weird about them. In almost every case the other player acted like a bot. They would take a looong time to make any actions. I have never seen players wait so long between inputs. After losing to Phil a couple of times they became aggressive. After winning a few times they became stationary. Was he playing real players or was he playing training AI?

 

[grump]

I am gonna be pedantic and correct one thing, but it's pretty much irrelevant to the overall point. During kyu ranks you get rank points and even rank up when losing, while with dan ranks you have to win to get rank up points and get promoted, but the amount of rank-up points you lose when losing in dan ranks is miniscule compared to how many you get by winning and you still can't be demoted at all, that's why he still sometimes encountered Derichs who spam 2-3 shitty strings at high dan levels. Otherwise you're completely correct, that's why I predicted that once he goes to named ranks he's gonna ragenot-having-funquit since at that point he'll play people who know how to do the "advanced" technique of launch punishing his -21 on block move. The Brad player from the stream before yesterday's was the canary in the coal mine since he recognized that he could just do a launcher (or a "mid-style floaty move" as the former pro fighting game player calls them) on Dave since he not only doesn't know how to step or punish them, he doesn't even block them because he keeps pushing buttons on wakeup and gets stuffed by it again and again. We've seen this play out multiple times on yesterday's stream.

Of course, Dave claimed that knowing how to sidestep and how to punish as well as how to do juggles is "abusive stuff" because he's a little bitch and a scrub who refuses to learn or adapt and hell, most of the times he doesn't even know what's happening on screen because he thinks something works the same way in VF as it does in another fighting game series when it doesn't. For example, he claimed that all of those moves are "safe counter hit launchers just like Tekken" but they're not. He got hit on counter hit because he's a mashing scrub but those moves that blew him up also launch on normal hit, plus as I said as a rule of thumb every mid launcher in VF is at least throw punishable and characters with a quick high launcher like Goh and Akira's 46P can even launch punish them. Good, safe counter hit launchers are actually really rare in VF and only a handful of characters have them. It's actually a really smart way of balancing the game because that way you don't have to learn each matchup in-depth, if you face a character for the first time and you block a launcher that successfully hit you earlier in the match, you know that you can at least attempt a throw punish. That's also why there's a few basic generic moves that every character has with the same properties across the board.

He just refuses to learn because he's regressed to the mental state of a toddler and you have to let him win or he starts crying. He's so fucking lazy that he can't look shit up on VFDC, a website where they have frame data and combo lists for each character and each launcher. They also have in-depth beginner's guides for all of the mechanics as well as quick beginner's guides for every character, they list out the best moves in a character's arsenal so you don't get immediately overwhelmed by their move lists wondering which moves are good in most situations and which are not. Instead, when he gets destroyed and doesn't know how to do even the most basic stuff in the game it's the fault of the game, it's the fault of the opponent, they made him lose, not his shitty gameplay.

Also, I saw that Pai player who I know is a streamsniper push Dave's shit in again yesterday. Big ups once again.

He left most of his old gamer frat bro personality behind including his sexuality but he's still clinging on to the bit where he bases his identity on perceiving himself to be the greatest fighting game player in the world for some reason.

 

[Adebisi]

He left most of his old gamer frat bro personality behind including his sexuality but he's still clinging on to the bit where he bases his identity on perceiving himself to be the greatest fighting game player in the world for some reason.

I think its because a lot of scrubs see fighting games as a dick measuring contest. Every time he gets beat he has to come up with the it's cold outside or you were looking at it from a funny angle excuse.

As a mid tier MK 11 player myself I never understood this mindset. I body some people I get bodied sometimes it's a close match but I always walk away happy just having fun.

He seems to take every loss so personally. I wonder who shit on him at the arcade after they shit on him in game to foster this type of behavior.

 

[Flavius Anthemius]

I think its because a lot of scrubs see fighting games as a dick measuring contest. Every time he gets beat he has to come up with the it's cold outside or you were looking at it from a funny angle excuse.

As a mid tier MK 11 player myself I never understood this mindset. I body some people I get bodied sometimes it's a close match but I always walk away happy to just having fun.

He seems to take every loss so personally. I wonder who shit on him at the arcade after they shit on him in game to foster this type of behavior.

Despite not having much to do with the FGC in years, he still takes pride in how much of an experienced pro player he once was, but can't resist putting people in their place because they're not an evo winner or didn't play the tough hardcore arcade fighters like back in his heyday that took real skill to play, not this modern day garbage like SFV as he likes to point the finger at.

It's just his usual excuses he pulls out of his cobweb brain that it's not his fault, and there can't possibly be many people better then him, narcissistic tendencies in full swing.

It's always funny to see him act like this, and it's a shame he's too much of a coward to pick up the new Guilty Gear, because then he's gonna end up getting bopped by even more new players, miles ahead of him.

 

[King Nutsack]

I am gonna be pedantic and correct one thing, but it's pretty much irrelevant to the overall point. During kyu ranks you get rank points and even rank up when losing, while with dan ranks you have to win to get rank up points and get promoted, but the amount of rank-up points you lose when losing in dan ranks is miniscule compared to how many you get by winning and you still can't be demoted at all, that's why he still sometimes encountered Derichs who spam 2-3 shitty strings at high dan levels.

Whoops! Thanks for the correction.

It was really frustrating watching people get hit by that high-low string over and over in the previous stream, but I knew eventually he'd rank up and run into people that would actually start blocking (and even punishing) that shit. How satisfying

 

[TheGreatWhiteNorth]

All that time wasted doing practice mode a few weeks back comes back to haunt him. As many people have said, VF5 has exposed Phil as someone who refuses to adapt and learn modern mechanics for a 3D fighter that demands you use them. Instead, VF5 has become the ultimate detractor, and trolled Phil in a way that we never could. Bravo.

 

[grump]

Despite not having much to do with the FGC in years, he still takes pride in how much of an experienced pro player he once was, but can't resist putting people in their place because they're not an evo winner or didn't play the tough hardcore arcade fighters like back in his heyday that took real skill to play, not this modern day garbage like SFV as he likes to point the finger at.

It's just his usual excuses he pulls out of his cobweb brain brain that it's not his fault, and there can't possibly be many people better then him, narcissistic tendencies in full swing.

It's always funny to see him act like this, and it's a shame he's too much of a coward to pick up the new Guilty Gear, because then he's gonna end up getting bopped by even more new players, miles ahead of him.

The ironic thing is if you took phil at the height of his FG prowess and threw him in matches today he'd also probably get bodied on the regular by randos. From what I see the landscape is much more competitive than it was during that legendary 4th place win on that boycotted broken port nobody else practiced on.

 

[Mr.PiggyOinkOinkOinkOink]

As a mid tier MK 11 player myself I never understood this mindset. I body some people I get bodied sometimes it's a close match but I always walk away happy just having fun.

yeah, it’s just a maturity thing. I used to get mad everytime I lost, and one day I realized I was just doing my best and if I wasn’t willing to put in the time to get better at these games I shouldn’t get mad when I lose.

found myself having a lot more fun with fighters since I started thinking this way. I have fun when I win, and when I lose I just say “they got me, I tried my best” and move on. It’s really sad to see someone over 10 years my senior still act this immature over losing in a video game

 

[Pretty Boy Extremism]

The ironic thing is if you took phil at the height of his FG prowess and threw him in matches today he'd also probably get bodied on the regular by randos. From what I see the landscape is much more competitive than it was during that legendary 4th place win on that boycotted broken port nobody else practiced on.

Even if you did something like transport top players from back in the day to today they'd get creamed, like let's say you could teleport 2k4 Daigo to today, he'd get creamed by mid-high ranked players online easily. But that's the difference between Dave and players like Daigo who maintained their pro player status even today. The latter kept playing, kept training, kept improving, kept adapting, they know that you have to do that or be left in the dust. That determination and will to constantly improve themselves is why they're still the top dogs in fighting game tournaments while Dave contents himself with beating up on scrubs once a week on a shitty port of Super Turbo nobody plays. You could say the same thing about Dave's ahnline khantent creator career. People who used to be big and are still big managed to do so because they adapted to the changes in khantent creation, Dave still thinks that DAY 1 VIEWS GET THE MONEY is a viable strategy 13 fucking years later. To make a shitty analogy - everyone else is using tanks and machineguns while Dave wonders why his pike&shot strategy isn't working well anymore.

 

[Swallow Moon]

He probably would have quit with exactly the same speech, referencing 'flashy combos' instead of 'sidestepping' as a mechanic he doesn't have time to learn, and maybe just dropped it a little later.

He already gave his excuse for GGS being too complicated: there are 4 whole colors of Roman Cancel, dood!

I caught some of his matches live and there was something really weird about them. In almost every case the other player acted like a bot. They would take a looong time to make any actions. I have never seen players wait so long between inputs. After losing to Phil a couple of times they became aggressive. After winning a few times they became stationary. Was he playing real players or was he playing training AI?

Maybe at the very start, but otherwise I think it is just the other side of bad/new players. Some mash buttons constantly because they don't know what they are doing, others freeze up even when they have the advantage because they don't know what to do.

 

[Nurse Ratchet]

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"I got my ass kicked in a fighting game and tips we're low. I can't handle both at the same time so I'm quitting this fucking game. Fuck you."

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Cope, seethe, dilate harder, Simba. Jfc.

Suffering this faggot & anything he publicly communicates summons a milder version of old demons that used to chase me.

Under the 2nd Bush regime, I remember the trepidation I used to feel leading up to a public Dubya speech, & then the humiliation on behalf of my country every time the speech would start. By the end of the wordpuke, I just wanted to neck knowing that the rest of the globe just watched this tragedy of oration unfold along with me, & prayed to gods I don't even believe in that at least some of everyone else knew that bumbling retard was not representative of Americans. Because oh my fucking god. And I'm not even addressing the political content. I'm talking about the fact that he was borderline retarded.

I know why, but it'll never not piss me off & embarrass me that we couldn't have muzzled Dubya & just only let Cheney do the talking.

This rampant embarrassment is akin to how I feel knowing that Fatfuck is out there, with thumbs, maw, & internet connection. Without a Cheney relief pitcher.

​

 

[Rainyday Hedge Fund]

He's a manchild consoomer. Its why he can't bear to part with his stupid statues instead of just throwing them out on one his cat-shit-dump-runs

Lol. Those raise in price over the years to collectors dood! They are more valuable now that they are "custom 3D" puzzle statues too(all statues are probably broken in some fashion). Guile's comb can now be played with too.

According to what Phil told us recently, he "got rid of it (his statues) when he declared bankruptcy". I don't know what he meant with this, because it's not clear if he sold them, hide them or just threw them in the dump so the government would not get them from him. Who knows at this point...

Dave is that paranoid but think laziness and greed won out....they're in the nook collecting dust still most likely. Those statues were investments man.

Man, I really hope GaryBurgerKing can save us!

With all the reveals of his paypigs I bet this dude might go by GaryBTK. They are all handicap in some way, furries, or creepers.

Breaking. Things are not "back to normal." Although it sucks, and DSP hates doing it, we are back to begging for tips. Roughly 40 minutes left on stream. If you could, please by all means contribute, as tonight tips have been EXTREMELY slow.

Damn it man! Dave said he was done and I believed him because he has always stuck to his word like the mature, honest, family having professional gamer he is

Phil has been dropping alotta games recently, just like with what happened with Divinity, it's being phased out into the background, never to be seen or heard from again.

If it isn't a candy crush clone with crap pull rates, Dave doesn't want to play it...too much effort.

​

Cope, seethe, dilate harder, Simba. Jfc.

Suffering this faggot & anything he publicly communicates summons a milder version of old demons that used to chase me.

Under the 2nd Bush regime, I remember the trepidation I used to feel leading up to a public Dubya speech, & then the humiliation on behalf of my country every time the speech would start. By the end of the wordpuke, I just wanted to neck knowing that the rest of the globe just watched this tragedy of oration unfold along with me, & prayed to gods I don't even believe in that at least some of everyone else knew that bumbling retard was not representative of Americans. Because oh my fucking god. And I'm not even addressing the political content. I'm talking about the fact that he was borderline retarded.

I know why, but it'll never not piss me off & embarrass me that we couldn't have muzzled Dubya & just only let Cheney do the talking.

This rampant embarrassment is akin to how I feel knowing that Fatfuck is out there, with thumbs, maw, & internet connection. Without a Cheney relief pitcher.

​

Kinda felt the same way but have more respect for W. than Trump. I'm sure if you went over Donnie's speeches they would be equal if not worst and doing so in only one term. The bush-isms really brought forward his misspeaking too. With Trump it was like watching a drunk retard go off script and no one to wrangle him in. The bowing down and not opposing Putin was great too. I see Dave as more of a Trump type. Narcissistic, disrespectful, Fails at every level but still has money, and delusional. Wonder if Deustch bank will go after him with being 500 million in the hole and his personal banker responsible for most of the loaned money resigning after Trump left office with the WH keys lol?

 

[Iron Hamster]

DSP actually playing Danganronpa is funny to me because the game makes fun of “gamers” like him:

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Being a childrens entertainer, it should be called 'Danganronparoom'.

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Phil still lurks in his Twitch chat that is actually really sad. So desperately wants to be let back into the partner program.

Today is a big day peeps! One month since the super serious bidnez ultimatum. Shirley twitch comes crawling back today.

but what the actual fuck does stirring tomato sauce every X time for half a day actually do? Am I missing something?

Gives him an excuse not to entertain the paying customers. But give him money.

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"I got my ass kicked in a fighting game and tips we're low. I can't handle both at the same time so I'm quitting this fucking game. Fuck you."

The guy who 'can pick up any fighting game and play at a professional level immediately'.

 

[Very Honest Content]

Can anyone familiar with VF explain what a 'floaty mid-style' move is (yes that is a direct quote)? Surely Dark wouldn't just spout complete nonsense to excuse his losses right?

It's a move used by any opponent that DSP is too shitty at the game to block, counter, or side step that connects that his ego must immediately cover his ass over. It means nothing outside of exactly that.

That stall at the end of the stream was great, we got a salty rant about how bad the game sucks and how this could be it for VF5. Turns off YouTube to talk about his schedule again but slides a beg right in the middle of it. Finished off by minutes of the Wheelchair art show. Tonight was some classic Phil. Reminded a bit of his SF4 days just with more upfront begging.

His autism inflicted mental routine glitched over the same rant topics three times sequentially one after the other desperate for some WWE Champions money to chase the next sweatymanjpg, it was art and the second most entertaining part of the stream after he was getting dominated matched up with players ranked in levels 21-24 or so.

I also liked that during that time, he repeatedly pointed out that tips were low and insinuated that meant a disinterest in Virtua Fighter...

He also complained that the game brought all the trolls out. This is pretty unfair. A more accurate assessment is that none of his mods could be bothered to show up tonight, so the trolls realized they could shitpost with impunity. But of course, the game takes the fall for that too.

KGokken was there. Chat didn't hand hold his counter flow charts for him is more like it which really salted the pork.

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but whenever Phil plays a fighting game I'm reminded of David Sirlin's book Playing to Win where he defines what a scrub is, and it's Phil. It's 100% Phil, and given that they were both in the Super Turbo scene at the same time and encountered each other in tournaments, it could very well be partially based on Phil.

That type of player has always struck me as autistic growing up witnessing their stupid mentalities and the fact Phil goes for it too just cements the fact he's either un-diagnosed on the spectrum or just isn't getting the care for his diagnosis he requires.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Phil's stupidity and rigidity continue to confound me on the most advanced levels.

 

[Texas Funnyhair]

Went onto pigpiggo to see if I could clip when Dave said that using him as a case study in idiot proofing a game was illegal. I think there might be something wrong since the last result I got for the word "tip" was May 14th.

Also saw that Dave is somewhat on a downward trend for using the word "tip". He peaked in April 2020 and then there was a spike in January 2021.

Also did a trend line for "fuck", Dave is pussywhipped visually confirmed.

"Shit"

 

[Rainyday Hedge Fund]

Went onto pigpiggo to see if I could clip when Dave said that using him as a case study in idiot proofing a game was illegal. I think there might be something wrong since the last result I got for the word "tip" was in May 14th.

Also saw that Dave is somewhat on a downward trend for using the word "tip". He peaked in April 2020 and then there was a spike in January 2021.
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Also did a trend line for "fuck", Dave is pussywhipped visually confirmed.

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Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! The "tips" became super noticeable around the bankruptcy time lol. With the second graph, Kat must be grabbing him by his over-sized clit.

Edit: check out the word "mom" and you'll get a ton of results...some are not him, but the game as pigpiggo does this. The majority is him bringing up mom.