Death Battle - Analyzing weapons, armor, and skills on the Internet since 2010.

[Tism the Return]

The fake math is the least of DB's problems. The biggest issue is I remember hearing Ben arbitrarily chooses who wins. The "research team" (bunch of randos, including unironic Deviantartlets) then has to come up with enough excuses to sound "reasonable" to anyone just listening instead of paying attention and analyzing yourself the evidence that gets presented.

 

[X-Shaped Weeaboo]

The fake math is the least of DB's problems. The biggest issue is I remember hearing Ben arbitrarily chooses who wins. The "research team" (bunch of randos, including unironic Deviantartlets) then has to come up with enough excuses to sound "reasonable" to anyone just listening instead of paying attention and analyzing yourself the evidence that gets presented.

Big if true, where'd you hear this from?

 

[Tism the Return]

Big if true, where'd you hear this from?

The OBD forums, they have a thread discussing DB and one of the posters there mentioned it at some point, don't remember what the claim is based off other than a couple of mentions that Ben dislikes Goku and thinks Superman is invincible, which reflects on the GvS video. The deviantart thing is pretty well known. IIRC another of their team members was http://ulltraguy.blogspot.com/, known in the VS community for very thorough Sonic sperging.

The poster himself got most of his information from his own research, talking to some of the deviantartlets (some guy named Akumasomething? I forgot) and a friend who was involved in the VA industry. The guy backed that by predicting some of the upcoming episodes at the time.

 

[Truthboi]

I think the most absurd fight was Tatsumaki vs Mob only because the creator of both those series outright confirmed how that'd play out and said Mob would win if he was playing serious while Tatsumaki could defeat normal Mob, and then the fight shows him getting serious but loses anyway because reasons.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I personally don’t like it when people take fictional “who would win” super seriously.

Half the debates out there are just “ My dad favorite character is so awesome and he could totally beat your dad your favorite character. Most people aren't really debating who would win, but just debating how awesome their favorite character is.

Death battle can be fun, but, as I've said before, it's just glorified fanfiction.

 

[X-Shaped Weeaboo]

I think the most absurd fight was Tatsumaki vs Mob only because the creator of both those series outright confirmed how that'd play out and said Mob would win if he was playing serious while Tatsumaki could defeat normal Mob, and then the fight shows him getting serious but loses anyway because reasons.

By far the worst thing to come out of Death Battle is the emphasis on visible feats and parading them as "science", especially in the dubious context of which most of those feats are applied. Let's look at Hiei vs Sasuke for example.

So assuming Death Battle really does pick a character as the victor before they do anything else as @Tism the Return stated, the team went to bat for Hiei and worked from there. Problem is, because they use feats literally in every scenario, they had to look at Sasuke's "slicing the moon" feat and had to justify giving their victor a bigger number, which gave them the roundabout, vague scaling bullshit they went with in the actual fight.

Problem I have with this is that looking at feats basically forced the show to ignore what these characters are actually capable of because they take many of them too literally. Who cares if Hiei or Sasuke can crank out the bigger number? What they don't mention nearly at all is the fact that Hiei is a demon. And in the context of his show of origin, being a demon grants several innate abilities and physical/psychological differences that sets them apart from humans. To me, that fact, as well as what that kind of inherit advantages that grants, is far more important than whether or not Sasuke sliced a moon since, again, taking feats literally, Hiei is a breed of creature that fights in a plane of reality that is hardier than the Earth, which the series states someone like Hiei can destroy. Earth > Moon. But look at how boring that is. It ignores the fighting styles of both characters in favor of a bigger number without highlighting what people actually like about them and their fights.

And the same can be said for almost literally every Death Battle.

No, Megaman.exe is not unfathomably faster than any character ever; You misinterpreted the context of that entire series just to give his feat a hard number to follow.
No, Ben 10 is not vulnerable to surprise attacks; You misinterpreted the rules of the show to give Green Lantern a win condition that he really didn't have.
No, Sub-Zero is not canonically punching through titanium; You just have this bizarre tendency to pick and choose which feats are canon and which are not.

Death Battle's analysis rarely ever hits the mark and while I do still enjoy it on a casual level, their tendency to jack off imaginary science to justify their decisions is actually really fucking annoying, especially since to this day there has never been an instance of the crew admitting that their outcome was wrong.

...still substantially less annoying than the Powerlevel fags on YouTube, holy hell that is a special breed of autism.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

The show would be better served if they were just honest. Pick two characters, go through a list of their feats/skills/history then say "and now they fight and our favourite/fan voted victor wins"

This pseudo science bullshit with bad math and TNT is noticeably dumb and worthless. Stop pretending to be a smart show, just have fun.

 

[Random Internet Person]

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[Dumpster dived waifu]

Oh , this episode looked fucking atrociously ugly. I'm usually all for the pixel artstyle, but whoever made these should be fired.

 

[Random Internet Person]

The show would be better served if they were just honest. Pick two characters, go through a list of their feats/skills/history then say "and now they fight and our favourite/fan voted victor wins"

This pseudo science bullshit with bad math and TNT is noticeably dumb and worthless. Stop pretending to be a smart show, just have fun.

To play devil’s advocate for a minute, isn’t the research and determining the winner through research the thing that separates Death Battle from any other vs show on the internet? Take that away and just have it be based on fan votes/popularity and it’s just another show of “who’s gonna win if these guys got into a fight”

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

To play devil’s advocate for a minute, isn’t the research and determining the winner through research the thing that separates Death Battle from any other vs show on the internet? Take that away and just have it be based on fan votes/popularity and it’s just another show of “who’s gonna win if these guys got into a fight”

If that's how they want to sell themselves, they'd best not be making mistakes. But they are.

 

[Yukari Yakumo]

Death Battle is terrible. The 3D animation is terrible, sometimes the 2D animation is alright or good but the fucking dialogue is awful. The personalities hosting it are awful, not only in the videos but outside of them too. The logic employed in the videos is also awful which makes the already terrible community surrounding the topic of VS debates you guess it, terrible.

The Thundercats episode was actually really good though, if only because they managed to channel some of the camp into the actual fight which made it fun to sit through.

Late reply, but it looks like you haven't seen Cartoon Fight Club yet.

 

[Tism the Return]

Late reply, but it looks like you haven't seen Cartoon Fight Club yet.

Oh, it can get worse for sure. But the fact that there's worse garbage out there doesn't really make anything less bad stop being bad by comparison. As with autism, it just means we can go even deeper.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[X-Shaped Weeaboo]

I enjoy animated sprite fights quite a bit, and while this wasn't bad, I feel like for martial arts based combatants 3D would have done this a better job. At the very least, Power Rangers gets it's first win which I'm happy about. Tommy and the Dragonzord got robbed.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[Random Internet Person]

Late reply, but it looks like you haven't seen Cartoon Fight Club yet.

Seeing as we’re talking about other vs shows now, I guess it’s a good enough time to introduce you guys to Crossover X and its vs research based show Battle Royale. While they don’t like to be compared to Death Battle or be considered their rival, I’d still say they’re the closest thing to Death Battle at the moment, even though they don’t post episodes as frequently due to having to rely on funding from Patreon along with anything else DB has going for it. Here’s their most recent episode.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[X-Shaped Weeaboo]

Lmao the second I heard about this match-up I knew Goro stood no chance. Death Battle's tendency to be extremely literal mean Machamp was gonna get away with murder.