Debate Alt-Right exceptional individuals -

Dom Cruise

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Alright, I've avoided power leveling about my personal beliefs when it comes to the Alt Right, Neo Nazism etc for as long as I could, but I feel like I need to finally get some things off my chest.

I'm not Alt Right or a Neo Nazi, I don't think of myself as racist or anti-semitic, but for those of you here who are, I'm not angry at you, I'm not judging you or blaming you and I of course ask myself the question whether you are right, I'm not convinced yet, but I'm not outraged over people asking difficult questions.

Because shucks, the modern media landscape seems like it purposely wants to stoke white resentment, it does everything in its power to, so I don't blame anyone.

But therein lies the problem, I feel like the only winning move in this game is to not play, the media and SJWs need a boogeyman to justify their agendas, they want there to be an Alt Right.

So instead maybe we should transcend it instead of getting on their level, pointing out that the only real racists here are them, you don't fight racism with more racism, that's what the insane SJW regressive left thinks you do, how about we give not being racist, whether that's white racism or anti-white racism, a try instead?

And when it comes to the Nazis, it's clear now that what happened in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s wasn't as black and white as we're told today, but that doesn't necessarily make the Nazis good guys, I really feel like Fascism and Communism are just two sides of the same coin, authoritarian, totalitarian, utopian cult like movements that feed off of one another, first you get the Commies, then you get the Fascist backlash, which that backlash can be more understandable when given the proper historical context, but it all still results in a lot of innocent people getting killed, how about we get off that merry go round and focus on good old freedom and Democracy? How about we respect people as individuals? No one gets special privileges and excuses for bad behavior, but no one gets lumped in with assholes just because they share certain superficial features either?
 

Senior Lexmechanic

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So giving you an example of Federal overreach that conservatism did nothing to prevent is a fallacy? There are plenty more examples of private citizens being harrassed, detained and murdered for their political beliefs, are all of them fallacies too? At least I admit freely that an ideal National Socialist state would crack down with brute force on its enemies, and don't try to dress up politically motivated state violence as a "miscarriage of justice" to try and defend a poorly conceived argument.



His competence is irrelevant, fact of the matter is he was targeted multiple times by the state, as are countless other white advocates, because the views he expresses aren't in line with the government's wishes. So your "First Amendment", in actual reality, is pick-and-choose, according to who submits to the government agenda and who doesn't. And conservatives are fine with that because, as I said, they're cowards who don't want to enact real change - as long as censorship and state harassment aren't on their doorstep they don't actually care about it.



No, in my ideology the State exists to serve the race. That you think this only shows your poor grasp of National Socialism. And that ideal State would conserve more tradition than conservatism has - demonstrably, since as I've shown, the liberties you're afforded are given to you by the government, and it can choose to revoke them and use countless measures, legal or otherwise, as soon as you go against its wishes. This is how America has slid into the drain, because conservatism is incapable of actually conserving anything beyond abstract principles, and even those will be lost as the West declines. As I said before, conservatism is a conciliatory position.

Just as an aside, I find it pretty funny that you've conceded defeat, claimed there never was an argument, and then come back to argue some more, in this supposedly nonexistent argument lol. Seems you're pretty angry that some of us see through the conservative charade, and you can say "b-but muh individual rights" but it doesn't change the fundamental fact that conservatism is cowardice and inertia masquerading as a principle.
1. "Murdered for their political beliefs". First, citation needed. Second, the idea that you would go "boo hoo, this man's rights were infringed on!" when, if your party was in power, there would have been no stand-off to be begin with because he and his wife would be shot dead on bar one is quite rich.
2. He was "targeted" because he explicitly said "Go out and kill non-whites in the name of the White Race", and then the people he said this to went out and killed a black man explicitly for racial reasons, in their own words. I know that you think there is absolutely nothing wrong with this and that the people who did it should be given a parade, but the idea that murder is wrong is a foundational part of civilization.
3. And who defines the race and what the race wants? Certainly not the people that make up the race. And tradition? The Nazi party dressed itself in the trappings of tradition, but rejected most traditional German positions outright, including encouraging women to have children with anonymous men out of wedlock, eroding the influence of the Church in the public sphere, and obsessively controlling virtually every aspect of public and private life to a degree that even the most tyrannical and paranoid noble could scarcely have dreamed of. The real oath of National Socialism is "For tradition- until Tradition threatens our stranglehold on the People." The ideology of National Socialism is anti-human on first principles, because it holds free thought, free expression, and free action as total anathema.
4. I tried to effortpost because this is DT now and I decided to try and take your ideas seriously.
I'll point this out: what would it take for you to be convinced that deliberate terrorism in an attempt to plunge the entire West into anarchy in the hopes that a white supremacist authoritarian state will rise from the ashes is wrong?
 
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3119967d0c

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Ruby Ridge was a weird, exceptional person who liked guns getting curbstomped by the Feds because the Feds are fucking gigantic assholes. Ruby Ridge should have resulted in Fed heads rolling, because regardless of the fact that the dude was a nutter with guns BEING A NUTTER WITH GUNS IS NOT A FUCKING FEDERAL CRIME.
There will be federal red flag laws that make it illegal to own guns as a person who- like Randy- wants to raise their kids right within a decade at most (just in case there are still one or two states which haven't done the same at that point).

If Trump is reelected, he will push for them, and his fellow conservative GOP AIPAC boys in the Congress and Senate will oblige.
what would it take for you to be convinced that deliberate terrorism in an attempt to plunge the entire West into anarchy in the hopes that a white supremacist authoritarian state will rise from the ashes is wrong?
What would it take for you to be convinced that something other than ticking the box for the guy with the (R) beside his name might be justified, in order to ensure that your grandson is not an even more horrifying riff on Amazing Desmond- as will occur if conservativism continues to 'win', or are you an explicit antinatalist?
 
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Syaoran Li

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The title is wildly inaccurate, really. The idea of a 'alt right' vs. 'conservative' paradigm is ridiculous. Anyone who wouldn't take Stalinism over Ammurrican 'conservatism' is broken in the head.
>Claims to be opposed to leftism
>Would rather live under Stalinism than American conservatism
:story:


I'm not the biggest fan of American conservatism either and I used to be a goddamn Democrat until the SJW inmates began running the asylum. But the fact that you'd prefer a totalitarian dictatorship over what we have now is proof that you're just a petty alt-right edgelord who likes being offensive. You're just a right-wing equivalent of those Antifa punks on Twitter and Reddit.

As shitty as our current society is, it's still leagues better than living under an authoritarian shithole. Whether it's Fascism and Nazism or Communism and Anarchism, a tyranny is still a tyranny. History has proven time and time again that tyrannies universally suck for everyone except the tyrant.

I'm just here to say that the Alt-Right is to the right as to what SJWs are to the left.
This guy gets it.
 

Your Weird Fetish

Intersectional fetishist
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He's an Islamist. It's pretty consistent internally I gotta admit, even if I think the ideology is evil. I'm not sure why /pol/tards usually hate kebab, they tend to share a lot of positions ideologically. In that sense our Mohammedan poster is refreshing.

I'm just here to say that the Alt-Right is to the right as to what SJWs are to the left.
A movement that began as legitimate but degenerated rapidly into a snarlword such that only the most intolerable autist would ever voluntarily describe themselves as a member?
 

3119967d0c

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>Claims to be opposed to leftism
>Would rather live under Stalinism than American conservatism
:story:


I'm not the biggest fan of American conservatism either and I used to be a goddamn Democrat until the SJW inmates began running the asylum. But the fact that you'd prefer a totalitarian dictatorship over what we have now is proof that you're just a petty alt-right edgelord who likes being offensive. You're just a right-wing equivalent of those Antifa punks on Twitter and Reddit.

As shitty as our current society is, it's still leagues better than living under an authoritarian shithole. Whether it's Fascism and Nazism or Communism and Anarchism, a tyranny is still a tyranny. History has proven time and time again that tyrannies universally suck for everyone except the tyrant.
u triggered bro?

You're literally saying that a 'society' that allows Desmond is Amazing to appear in public and be raped by a string of men is better than a functioning society. AMAZIN

That's conservatism I guess

I'm just here to say that the Alt-Right is to the right as to what SJWs are to the left.
Imagine ever talking about 'SJWs'. Either you're pro child molestation (liberalism, conservatism) or you're not (Stalinism, Sh'ia Islamic democracy, Catholic integralism, fascism, Judenfrei monarchism).
 

Dom Cruise

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u triggered bro?

You're literally saying that a 'society' that allows Desmond is Amazing to appear in public and be raped by a string of men is better than a functioning society. AMAZIN

That's conservatism I guess


Imagine ever talking about 'SJWs'. Either you're pro child molestation (liberalism, conservatism) or you're not (Stalinism, Sh'ia Islamic democracy, Catholic integralism, fascism, Judenfrei monarchism).
Total anarchy is preferable to total authoritarianism.

Which fictional world would you rather live in? 1984 or Mad Max? The post apocalyptic world of Mad Max was a pretty rough place, but compared to the brutality of Oceania and how it totally broke the human spirit, I say strap on some leather and grab the sawn off shotgun because at least then you're free.
 

3119967d0c

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Total anarchy is preferable to total authoritarianism.

Which fictional world would you rather live in? 1984 or Mad Max? The post apocalyptic world of Mad Max was a pretty rough place, but compared to the brutality of Oceania and how it totally broke the human spirit, I say strap on some leather and grab the sawn off shotgun because at least then you're free.
Ammurrican conservatism/liberalism is literally the plot of 'Brave New World', in a couple different flavors.
 

Your Weird Fetish

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Total anarchy is preferable to total authoritarianism.

Which fictional world would you rather live in? 1984 or Mad Max? The post apocalyptic world of Mad Max was a pretty rough place, but compared to the brutality of Oceania and how it totally broke the human spirit, I say strap on some leather and grab the sawn off shotgun because at least then you're free.
I witness you, brother.
 

Doctor Placebo

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u triggered bro?

You're literally saying that a 'society' that allows Desmond is Amazing to appear in public and be raped by a string of men is better than a functioning society. AMAZIN

That's conservatism I guess


Imagine ever talking about 'SJWs'. Either you're pro child molestation (liberalism, conservatism) or you're not (Stalinism, Sh'ia Islamic democracy, Catholic integralism, fascism, Judenfrei monarchism).
If you really are an Islamic fundamentalist, you should know a thing or two about raping kids.

At least Desmond is an anomaly that normies are repulsed by, not an enshrined part of our religion, for fuck's sake. And if it were actually provable they were fucking him, instead of being an open secret, they would in fact get Epstein'd. Which is more than Islamic fundie countries can say.
 

Syaoran Li

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u triggered bro?

You're literally saying that a 'society' that allows Desmond is Amazing to appear in public and be raped by a string of men is better than a functioning society. AMAZIN

That's conservatism I guess


Imagine ever talking about 'SJWs'. Either you're pro child molestation (liberalism, conservatism) or you're not (Stalinism, Sh'ia Islamic democracy, Catholic integralism, fascism, Judenfrei monarchism).
I think you might need some help, bro.

I do find it hilariously ironic that you blame conservatism and liberalism for child molestation yet you present Catholic and Islamic theocracies as alternatives, considering Islam's greatest prophet married a six-year old and the Catholic Church has had so many child molestation scandals that it's become its own entire sub-genre of corny jokes and TV punchlines.

Not sure if you know this, but you can oppose pedophilia and still oppose totalitarianism.
 

Syaoran Li

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Funny that you say this, when conservatism has done this no more successfully than it has anything else.

Larry Craig is the archetype of conservatism.
You do realize I'm a centrist and not a conservative, right?

The one thing that Alt-Right LARP'ers and SJW's have in common is that they always think in black-and-white extremes to an utterly insane and autistic degree.

There is a massive middle ground between being a Weinstein-tier sexual degenerate and a Jack Chick-tier backwards puritan.
 

Dr W

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He's an Islamist. It's pretty consistent internally I gotta admit, even if I think the ideology is evil. I'm not sure why /pol/tards usually hate kebab, they tend to share a lot of positions ideologically. In that sense our Mohammedan poster is refreshing.


A movement that began as legitimate but degenerated rapidly into a snarlword such that only the most intolerable autist would ever voluntarily describe themselves as a member?
I mean, technically I'd say yes, but the truth is I was just thinking stupid totalitarian dystopia pushing fuckwads who don't understand the systems they are trying to build, or if they do, they delusionally believe they will be on top of the pile.
 
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