Debate Alt-Right Retards -

[Doctor Placebo]

Vox is right. Gatekeepers are awful. They're the ones who will both betray you to The Left and land the final killing blow to The Right. You seem not to like Vox criticizing other "Rightwingers" and others say Vox is jealous. He's not. He doesn't go after Tucker Carlson or Ann Coulter. He goes after Gatekeepers who are the greatest threat to The Right.

Considering how common it is for members of the alt-right to declare conservativism dead, and to actively harm the causes of other right wingers by jumping in with their exceptionalism, displaying fascist and white supremacist symbols at rallies, etc, in a blatant redirecting of focus to their own attention whoring that often sinks whatever the original cause was as they provide the left wing media with a propaganda feast, the alt-right is the last group that should whine about betrayal by other people who are nominally on their side.

See: Charlottesville

How well did the alt-right help keep up those Civil War monuments, huh? That was a PR wet dream for the people who wanted them torn down. But of course the alt-right's response anytime shit like this happens is "It would've happened anyway." Bullshit. There's been controversy over shit like Confederate monuments and the Washington Redskins since the 60's. The alt-right is very effective at getting shit done in politics. For the left.

The alt-right has made it perfectly clear that their relationship with conservatism, libertarianism, civic nationalism, and other more mainstream right wing groups is entirely parasitic. They provide nothing and only take. They weaken and feed off these groups, harming their ability to actually get anything done in the political sphere, and practicing accelerationalism, handing the left victories in the active hope of making things worse so that more people will be radicalized to them in hopes of a real life autism race war or marshal law or some other bullshit because they know damn well they're never getting the amount of power they crave in the political sphere through the current election system.

The alt-right has no leg to stand on whining about "betrayal" when they routinely destroy right wing causes/platforms/etc for the purpose of getting a handful of new recruits to their autism brigade.

 

[BR55]

Considering how common it is for members of the alt-right to declare conservativism dead, and to actively harm the causes of other right wingers by jumping in with their exceptionalism, displaying fascist and white supremacist symbols at rallies, etc, in a blatant redirecting of focus to their own attention whoring that often sinks whatever the original cause was as they provide the left wing media with a propaganda feast, the alt-right is the last group that should whine about betrayal by other people who are nominally on their side.

See: Charlottesville

How well did the alt-right help keep up those Civil War monuments, huh? That was a PR wet dream for the people who wanted them torn down. But of course the alt-right's response anytime shit like this happens is "It would've happened anyway." Bullshit. There's been controversy over shit like Confederate monuments and the Washington Redskins since the 60's. The alt-right is very effective at getting shit done in politics. For the left.

The alt-right has made it perfectly clear that their relationship with conservatism, libertarianism, civic nationalism, and other more mainstream right wing groups is entirely parasitic. They provide nothing and only take. They weaken and feed off these groups, harming their ability to actually get anything done in the political sphere, and practicing accelerationalism, handing the left victories in the active hope of making things worse so that more people will be radicalized to them in hopes of a real life autism race war or marshal law or some other bullshit because they know damn well they're never getting the amount of power they crave in the political sphere through the current election system.

The alt-right has no leg to stand on whining about "betrayal" when they routinely destroy right wing causes/platforms/etc for the purpose of getting a handful of new recruits to their autism brigade.

Honestly Alt Right accelerationists are the right wing equivalent of middle class socialists who think they would survive the revolution.
Just a bunch of pasty basement dwelling LARPing pol tards who think they would come out on top in their little Civil War 2 fantasies.
I think the apex of this was when Richard Spencer said that White Nationalists could move en mass to like Wyoming or something and get a head start on their ethnostate.
Like they were modern day pioneers or voortrekkers or some shit like that.

 

[Flexo]

Considering how common it is for members of the alt-right to declare conservativism dead, and to actively harm the causes of other right wingers by jumping in with their exceptionalism, displaying fascist and white supremacist symbols at rallies, etc, in a blatant redirecting of focus to their own attention whoring that often sinks whatever the original cause was as they provide the left wing media with a propaganda feast, the alt-right is the last group that should whine about betrayal by other people who are nominally on their side.

See: Charlottesville

How well did the alt-right help keep up those Civil War monuments, huh? That was a PR wet dream for the people who wanted them torn down. But of course the alt-right's response anytime shit like this happens is "It would've happened anyway." Bullshit. There's been controversy over shit like Confederate monuments and the Washington Redskins since the 60's. The alt-right is very effective at getting shit done in politics. For the left.

The alt-right has made it perfectly clear that their relationship with conservatism, libertarianism, civic nationalism, and other more mainstream right wing groups is entirely parasitic. They provide nothing and only take. They weaken and feed off these groups, harming their ability to actually get anything done in the political sphere, and practicing accelerationalism, handing the left victories in the active hope of making things worse so that more people will be radicalized to them in hopes of a real life autism race war or marshal law or some other bullshit because they know damn well they're never getting the amount of power they crave in the political sphere through the current election system.

The alt-right has no leg to stand on whining about "betrayal" when they routinely destroy right wing causes/platforms/etc for the purpose of getting a handful of new recruits to their autism brigade.

A recent quote I heard from someone that so far holds true:

"In government you can be pure, or you can be productive."

Honestly Alt Right accelerationists are the right wing equivalent of middle class socialists who think they would survive the revolution.
Just a bunch of pasty basement dwelling LARPing pol tards who think they would come out on top in their little Civil War 2 fantasies.
I think the apex of this was when Richard Spencer said that White Nationalists could move en mass to like Wyoming or something and get a head start on their ethnostate.
Like they were modern day pioneers or voortrekkers or some shit like that.

I wish they would.

No really! One thing that bugs me is that everybody seems to have forgotten that the USA was designed to let a thousand experiments bloom. One state can do things one way while another state does things their own way etc. Some may work, some may fail, some things may only work for that state.

Not just the alt-right but the SJWs and communists and everybody else, I wish they would actually do it. You want to prove your ideas are best for government? Then go set up a municipality somewhere and just try running it for a year by your ideas. You want to run the nation? Prove to me that you can run a town.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

A recent quote I heard from someone that so far holds true:

"In government you can be pure, or you can be productive."



I wish they would.

No really! One thing that bugs me is that everybody seems to have forgotten that the USA was designed to let a thousand experiments bloom. One state can do things one way while another state does things their own way etc. Some may work, some may fail, some things may only work for that state.

Not just the alt-right but the SJWs and communists and everybody else, I wish they would actually do it. You want to prove your ideas are best for government? Then go set up a municipality somewhere and just try running it for a year by your ideas. You want to run the nation? Prove to me that you can run a town.

We all know that the alt-right would be shooting each other in meth fueled blood baths and the current sorry batch of communists would be starving to death while living in mountains of their own feces before the end of the year.

Then they would blame their failures on their respective boogiemen.

 

[TitanWest]

Where does he say he dropped the suit? Where does he admit he was wrong to file it in the first place?

He never said he dropped it. He just stop mentioning it and there's been no news on it. He most likely just quietly dropped it since it's been many years.

How do you know the terms were good? When nothing came of the SFWA and Gab suits Vox went quiet and told people to stop asking him about them instead of admitting he lost or quit, which is how he's now behaving with the IndieGoGo suit. I'm not saying for sure the IndieGoGo suit went badly but I'm not going to accept it went well without proof.

Sorry to keep peppering you with questions.

He's talked about the suit extensively and mentioned a settlement. He just won't talk about the settlement outside a loyal cadre involved in the suit. People could get leaks from the insiders, IndieGoGo could call Vox out, or people could probably get a FOIA through. So I doubt he'd even be able to lie. He says he'll let people know the settlement years down the road. If there was a bad outcome why wouldn't he just go radio silence like he did with SFWA?

No problem, you're asking in good faith.

But that's exactly my point. If he had said "I've learned from my own experience..." or something to that effect then I'd have more respect for that post. But look at it again, he phrases it as other people telling him what to do and how he's always right. He always has to paint everything as never being wrong.

I gave my opinion on Vox. Why do you care about these hypotheticals that may have never happened. I don't think you'll respect him until whatever made you dislike him is resolved. He says when he's wrong. He admits things like being wrong on trade and has a group of trusted advisors who he trusts to shoot down over 50% of his ideas on what media to create.

Again, exactly the point. Vox only does for others who have first done for him. But then he complains about nobody ever giving him a shout out. Well maybe they're just operating under the same rules he is and not referencing people unless they first reference them. It's like reversing that old saying, "he doesn't dish it out then complains nobody gives to him."

Maybe he would get more referrals if he didn't burn so many bridges.

If it's a bad idea then why would anyone shout out Vox who's a gatekeeper that didn't shout them out? See the paradox? Vox has literally set up a perpetuating cycle that just gives him an excuse to bitch.

I said he gave shoutouts to people who do good work. He gave a shoutout to Ron Unz the other day and Unz hasn't really shouted Vox out.

So "gatekeeper" is just like "gamma" and "fascist" then, eh? "Somebody I don't like."

No. A gatekeeper is a cutthroat and/or coward who (Knowingly or not) gets propped up by the establishment as fake opposition. They suck oxygen from others that would put far more use into that oxygen. They're the reason The Right loses.

I disagree with Bernie, but he's not a gatekeeper. The DNC rigging the 2016 primary shows that. Elizabeth Warren is a massive gatekeeper though. Ron Paul wasn't a gatekeeper either. Gary Johnson (Unwittingly) was a gatekeeper used against Trump in 2016.

But Vox does spam gamma a lot. 80% of them are right. Other times it's just "This guy disagrees with me so he's a gamma". Vox isn't perfect - especially his personality. But he fights the good fight, calls out gatekeepers, and points out unique things in a calm non-wignat manner.

Extra ironic then that he labeled PJMedia as a gatekeeper since by the above standard, they aren't as i haven't seen any promo for them from the MSN. (A quick search of the NYT for example yields 0 results.)

I don't know about PJMedia or Vox's critiques of them. However the Intellectual Darkweb and ContraPoints have both been propped up by the NY Times. Both are gatekeepers in their own ways.

Ever consider that the Chinese are pointing fingers to distract from their misdeeds?

Of course they are. But that's not the biggest issue. The biggest issue are the western elites destroying us from within. The MSM constantly points fingers at Russia to distract from their own misdeeds. But I focus on the DNC leaks and the fake Mueller investigation more than I focus on Putin.

Also let me just say glancing at the rest of your post? Yeah I've been following Vox for far longer. I remember the days he was arguing with atheist blogs over his irrational atheist book.

You have to watch him daily for a little while to get a full picture. He's nuanced and is a bit of an acquired taste.

Considering how common it is for members of the alt-right to declare conservativism dead, and to actively harm the causes of other right wingers by jumping in with their exceptionalism, displaying fascist and white supremacist symbols at rallies, etc, in a blatant redirecting of focus to their own attention whoring that often sinks whatever the original cause was as they provide the left wing media with a propaganda feast, the alt-right is the last group that should whine about betrayal by other people who are nominally on their side.

You've described what Neoconservatives have done ever since the 1960's. Especially when Neoconservatives took over the Right and pushed the Paleocons out. They damaged the Right in the eyes of an entire generation just to waste our blood and taxpayer dollars in Iraq.

Vox Day would agree with you on the fascism thing. He's not a fascist or even a wignat. Plenty of Alt Righters like Nick Fuentes and Alternative Hypothesis (People's Veto) take the non-fascist route.

See: Charlottesville

The conservatives punched Right and the Left pushed a false narrative. Conservatives (Including Ben Shapiro) posted all kinds of memes about running over pedestrians if Leftists blocked the road. Then James Fields gets attacked by ANTIFA and panics then gets left to rot with a 400 year sentence.

How well did the alt-right help keep up those Civil War monuments, huh? That was a PR wet dream for the people who wanted them torn down. But of course the alt-right's response anytime shit like this happens is "It would've happened anyway." Bullshit. There's been controversy over shit like Confederate monuments and the Washington Redskins since the 60's. The alt-right is very effective at getting shit done in politics. For the left.

What have the conservatives conserved for the past 60 years? They couldn't even conserve the women's bathroom.

The alt-right has made it perfectly clear that their relationship with conservatism, libertarianism, civic nationalism, and other more mainstream right wing groups is entirely parasitic. They provide nothing and only take. They weaken and feed off these groups, harming their ability to actually get anything done in the political sphere, and practicing accelerationalism, handing the left victories in the active hope of making things worse so that more people will be radicalized to them in hopes of a real life autism race war or marshal law or some other bullshit because they know damn well they're never getting the amount of power they crave in the political sphere through the current election system.

Without the Alt Right Trump never would've gotten past the primaries. Handing the Left victories? That's what Gatekeepers have done for many decades.

If you mean violent accelerationism - we don't support that. A minority support political and social acceleration. Vox isn't really one of them, he has more of a patient "longview" perspective. Many on the Alt Right say: "You don't control how fast things accelerate".

We don't seek to radicalize. That's just what people at the NY Times say. We seek to recruit, build legal defese networks, social networks, platforms, and prepare for the coming decline so we'll land on our feet when things get shitty and begin rebuilding. We're in it for the long haul. We're dedicated. We punch far above our weight. The Left didn't win via elections. They won via culture and institutions. "The Long March Through The Institutions". We don't have the same focus, but we have a similar longterm mindset.

The alt-right has no leg to stand on whining about "betrayal" when they routinely destroy right wing causes/platforms/etc for the purpose of getting a handful of new recruits to their autism brigade.

Destroy? The Left destroys. And they can only do that because conservatives are either scared of the Left or share more with the Left than they let on. CPAC literally gave ANTIFA journos press passes while kicking milquetoast Alt Lite Civic Nationalists out of the building. Was that our fault?

You're falling into The Left's frame: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnMbYSrq-ZY

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

Let's count the VFM shibboleths:

What have the conservatives conserved for the past 60 years? They couldn't even conserve the women's bathroom.

We seek to recruit, build legal defese networks, social networks, platforms, and prepare for the coming decline

Alt Lite Civic Nationalists

You're falling into The Left's frame

Only four? Come on dude, shill harder.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Without the Alt Right Trump never would've gotten past the primaries. Handing the Left victories? That's what Gatekeepers have done for many decades.

Like how internet memers made Snakes on a Plane a massive box office success?

Over and over again we've seen that getting a lot of attention on the internet has no correlation to actual, tangible success. Ask Sargon of UKIP how well internet fame translates to votes. The biggest factors in Trump winning the primaries were that he was the only candidate addressing the economic problems in the middle American rustbelt and that he got tons of media coverage.

You could argue that the alt-right circus was a contributing factor in the media coverage, but the media was already drooling to cover him. John Oliver begged him to run before he officially announced it, and that was before the God Emperor memes and before anyone in the mainstream media knew who the alt-right were. Stuff like him calling the Iraq War a disaster and saying that the Bush administration lied about it would have made him stand out and gotten him tons of attention too, regardless of what some /pol/lacks were doing.

And that's setting aside how the alt-right back in 2016 had lots of people like dear leader @Null who wouldn't consider themselves part of the alt-right anymore because back then the term was used for a much more wide range of people, whereas now it's been narrowed down to where the only people self-identifying by the term are ethno-nationalists. Not that I think people like Null were instrumental in getting Trump elected either. Hell, Null can't even vote in the USA.

No, the people who elected Trump were those middle American rustbelt voters, who swung the key states to him early on in both the primaries and the general election, because again, he was the only one, Democrat or Republican who was addressing their economic problems.

As for all the "don't punch right" crap, we already talked about that over in the Chris Cantwell thread, where he tried to pull that to get his fellow white nationalists to stop shitting on him for being an FBI narc and his elderly latina GF. Just because Antifa does it doesn't make it okay when the other side does. Any political movement that lets its shittiest, most retarded members run wild isn't worth a damn, and this is the wrong forum for cow shielding.

 

[Null]

And that's setting aside how the alt-right back in 2016 had lots of people like dear leader @Null who wouldn't consider themselves part of the alt-right anymore because back then the term was used for a much more wide range of people, whereas now it's been narrowed down to where the only people self-identifying by the term are ethno-nationalists. Not that I think people like Null were instrumental in getting Trump elected either. Hell, Null can't even vote in the USA.

why do you talk like you know anything

1. Alt-right conceptually meant "American conservative without religious baggage" for maybe a week. When the idea had staying power, it was slandered as being purely white nationalist by people like Clinton and immediately aborted before it had a chance to grow. I don't think anyone uses any umbrella term anymore because any named organization just gets called pedophile terrorists now.

2. Why the fuck wouldn't I be able to vote? I can mail in a ballot. You can register to vote in California from any foreign country, have a ballot mailed to you, and mail it back without any ID checks. You don't get disenfranchised from voting until you are convicted. It was a big deal when some spree killer awaiting trial voted from prison and people started talking about revoking voting rights at the accusatory phase.

 

[MZ 052]

Considering how common it is for members of the alt-right to declare conservativism dead, and to actively harm the causes of other right wingers by jumping in with their exceptionalism, displaying fascist and white supremacist symbols at rallies, etc, in a blatant redirecting of focus to their own attention whoring that often sinks whatever the original cause was as they provide the left wing media with a propaganda feast, the alt-right is the last group that should whine about betrayal by other people who are nominally on their side.

See: Charlottesville

How well did the alt-right help keep up those Civil War monuments, huh? That was a PR wet dream for the people who wanted them torn down. But of course the alt-right's response anytime shit like this happens is "It would've happened anyway." Bullshit. There's been controversy over shit like Confederate monuments and the Washington Redskins since the 60's. The alt-right is very effective at getting shit done in politics. For the left.

The alt-right has made it perfectly clear that their relationship with conservatism, libertarianism, civic nationalism, and other more mainstream right wing groups is entirely parasitic. They provide nothing and only take. They weaken and feed off these groups, harming their ability to actually get anything done in the political sphere, and practicing accelerationalism, handing the left victories in the active hope of making things worse so that more people will be radicalized to them in hopes of a real life autism race war or marshal law or some other bullshit because they know damn well they're never getting the amount of power they crave in the political sphere through the current election system.

The alt-right has no leg to stand on whining about "betrayal" when they routinely destroy right wing causes/platforms/etc for the purpose of getting a handful of new recruits to their autism brigade.

Conservatism is dead though. It's had absolutely no efficacy for decades. What exactly is it that conservatives are trying to get done that you feel "alt-right" types are impeding?

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Conservatism is dead though. It's had absolutely no efficacy for decades. What exactly is it that conservatives are trying to get done that you feel "alt-right" types are impeding?

There's an example right in the post you're quoting. Confederate war monuments, which there has been controversy about since the 60's, but they've always stayed up before. Then come the Charlottesville tiki torch and vehicular manslaughter fiasco, tons of statues came down and the heat was so bad for a while that some kid who came to salute the statue the next day unrelated to the march got expelled from college.

 

[3119967d0c]

There's an example right in the post you're quoting. Confederate war monuments, which there has been controversy about since the 60's, but they've always stayed up before. Then come the Charlottesville tiki torch and vehicular manslaughter fiasco, tons of statues came down and the heat was so bad for a while that some kid who came to salute the statue the next day unrelated to the march got expelled from college.

Hahah, this is hilarious. Conservative pussies couldn't even keep the stars and bars in state flags.

Your arguments are every bit as valid as Mr. Beale's. You should stick to conserving the conservative value of gay marriage between one man and one man (until the conservative value becomes plural gay transbestiality in a decade or two).

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Hahah, this is hilarious. Conservative pussies couldn't even keep the stars and bars in state flags.

Your arguments are every bit as valid as Mr. Beale's. You should stick to conserving the conservative value of gay marriage between one man and one man (until the conservative value becomes plural gay transbestiality in a decade or two).

The alt-right meanwhile has been very successful at cucking each other and getting arrested for trailer park brawls. Can you list one thing the alt-right has actually succeeded at? They take credit for Trump getting elected (extremely unlikely, as I said earlier) but now they hate him because he wasn't the far right extremist the media portrayed him as.

At least I can point to some things conservatism has done, like mostly preserve the right to bear arms everywhere that isn't a liberal hellhole, despite constant attacks on it. That's a hell of a lot more than the alt-right has done.

It's easy to find things to attack about conservatism and liberalism because they're the two largest political movements in America and have been for the past 200 years or so. Of course they both have their fair share of screw ups and failures. But members of far more exceptional fringe groups try to make themselves look better because of that, when an actual comparison shows they're far bigger failures. Communists and other idiots on the left do the same shit with liberalism, ranting about how liberals are constantly failing and losing ground due to tolerance of the ebil Nazis. Funny how both mainstream political movements are constantly failing and losing ground according to the extremists on their side.

So what do you actually support anyway? You think I'm wrong, you think Teddy Spaghetti is wrong, but it's easy to act superior when you put forward nothing yourself and only criticize everyone else. You wanna run for president or governor on banning gay marriage? Go for it. See how it goes.

 

[3119967d0c]

At least I can point to some things conservatism has done, like mostly preserve the right to bear arms everywhere that isn't a liberal hellhole, despite constant attacks on it. That's a hell of a lot more than the alt-right has done...

You wanna run for president or governor on banning gay marriage? Go for it. See how it goes.

So to sum up your argument, you admit that conservatism is worse than doing nothing, it has consistently retreated from the previous working society- that's pretty fucking hilarious. The idea that gun rights have been 'preserved' is ridiculous- to the extent that is true, conservatives will never use them for anything useful, so it's totally irrelevant.

Vox is an enormous self-promoting jackass, but he's still better than any conservative. Sad.

 

[MZ 052]

There's an example right in the post you're quoting. Confederate war monuments, which there has been controversy about since the 60's, but they've always stayed up before. Then come the Charlottesville tiki torch and vehicular manslaughter fiasco, tons of statues came down and the heat was so bad for a while that some kid who came to salute the statue the next day unrelated to the march got expelled from college.

So conservatism exists to protect the existence of statues? And do you really think the local government wasn't going to acquiesce to the niggers and reds sooner or later and bring down the statues? It's a different time than it was in the 60s, these people's every demand is being met with less and less resistance/questioning. As ever, conservatism wasn't going to prevent the zeitgeist moving left, facilitating the takedown of the statues, it was simply going to quietly, meekly object and tut at anyone who actually spoke up in a way that might break "civility", as it always does. If conservatives had any efficacy, the question of removing the statues would never have even been raised. Again, what is it that conservatism is trying to do that "Alt-Right" movements are threatening? Or are the statues it?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

So conservatism exists to protect the existence of statues? And do you really think the local government wasn't going to acquiesce to the niggers and reds sooner or later and bring down the statues? It's a different time than it was in the 60s, these people's every demand is being met with less and less resistance/questioning. As ever, conservatism wasn't going to prevent the zeitgeist moving left, facilitating the takedown of the statues, it was simply going to quietly, meekly object and tut at anyone who actually spoke up in a way that might break "civility", as it always does. If conservatives had any efficacy, the question of removing the statues would never have even been raised. Again, what is it that conservatism is trying to do that "Alt-Right" movements are threatening? Or are the statues it?

As usual, the alt-right definition of "efficacy" is "flawless perfect actualization of the eschaton" for their competition, and "doing anything at all" for themselves.
The idea of free speech and public debate is part of the foundation of American society, and "viciously suppress public debate" is a position anathema to American values, which makes Vox's attempts to drape himself in the flag while cheering on all the worst elements of the monarchist system America was founded in opposition to especially hilarious
>inb4 "Well I never said viciously suppress public debate, why does your mind go to that immediately, typical libtard!"

 

[MZ 052]

As usual, the alt-right definition of "efficacy" is "flawless perfect actualization of the eschaton" for their competition, and "doing anything at all" for themselves.
The idea of free speech and public debate is part of the foundation of American society, and "viciously suppress public debate" is a position anathema to American values, which makes Vox's attempts to drape himself in the flag while cheering on all the worst elements of the monarchist system America was founded in opposition to especially hilarious
>inb4 "Well I never said viciously suppress public debate, why does your mind go to that immediately, typical libtard!"

I don't like Vox or America and its values, I just want @Doctor Placebo to clarify what exactly he believes conservatism is trying to achieve that the "Alt-Right" is threatening.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I don't like Vox or America and its values, I just want @Doctor Placebo to clarify what exactly he believes conservatism is trying to achieve that the "Alt-Right" is threatening.

Given that you axiomatically reject the foundation of American culture, I doubt that's going to be a productive conversation.
Personally, I'd say they threaten conservative values by constantly making conservative positions look like the domain of foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics who want a race war and by implicitly or openly endorsing accelerationism (actively trying to agitate tensions and accelerate the collapse of a society into total disorder, civil war, or violent revolution, through terrorism, rioting, and sabotage) as a default praxis, which isn't just against American values, but is against the values of every civil society throughout history.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

So to sum up your argument, you admit that conservatism is worse than doing nothing, it has consistently retreated from the previous working society- that's pretty fucking hilarious. The idea that gun rights have been 'preserved' is ridiculous- to the extent that is true, conservatives will never use them for anything useful, so it's totally irrelevant.

Vox is an enormous self-promoting jackass, but he's still better than any conservative. Sad.

You didn't answer my question about what you want to accomplish or how you intend to accomplish it.

"The idea that gun rights have been 'reserved' is ridiculous-to the extent that is true..." What the fuck are you talking about? I can go to a gun store and buy an AR-15 right now. Who do you think is responsible for preventing laws from being passed that interfere with that? Or rolling back gun control laws from the 90's? Liberals? A few hundred trailer park methheads who make up whatever the current incarnation of the American Nazi Party is?

So conservatism exists to protect the existence of statues? And do you really think the local government wasn't going to acquiesce to the niggers and reds sooner or later and bring down the statues? It's a different time than it was in the 60s, these people's every demand is being met with less and less resistance/questioning. As ever, conservatism wasn't going to prevent the zeitgeist moving left, facilitating the takedown of the statues, it was simply going to quietly, meekly object and tut at anyone who actually spoke up in a way that might break "civility", as it always does. If conservatives had any efficacy, the question of removing the statues would never have even been raised. Again, what is it that conservatism is trying to do that "Alt-Right" movements are threatening? Or are the statues it?

I already gave another example up above. Gun rights. Which are kind of a massive deal. Brandon Tarrant, who aside from killing a bunch of people has beliefs that aren't too out of step with many people in the alt-right, flat out said he wanted to cause gun confiscation in both New Zealand and America in hopes of escalating muh civil war. It didn't work in America but it worked pretty great in New Zealand, except for the slight problem of over a million Kiwis not turning over their guns.

And if you want the question of removing the statues to never be raised, you want a dictatorship. That's the only way that happens. You've also just come up with a far right version of "Why are people still saying and believing this?! It's the current year!", so congrats for that.

 

[MZ 052]

Given that you axiomatically reject the foundation of American culture, I doubt that's going to be a productive conversation.
Personally, I'd say they threaten conservative values by constantly making conservative positions look like the domain of foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics who want a race war and by implicitly or openly endorsing accelerationism (actively trying to agitate tensions and accelerate the collapse of a society into total disorder, civil war, or violent revolution, through terrorism, rioting, and sabotage) as a default praxis, which isn't just against American values, but is against the values of every civil society throughout history.

What conservative values? What conservative positions? I don't know how many times I can ask this and not get a straight answer. Conservatism is ultimately a conciliatory position. It only exists to conserve the status quo, the status quo reached by ceding ground to the left over the decades. The MAGA crowd are already defending BASED trannies. Conservatism is a joke.

You didn't answer my question about what you want to accomplish or how you intend to accomplish it.

"The idea that gun rights have been 'reserved' is ridiculous-to the extent that is true..." What the fuck are you talking about? I can go to a gun store and buy an AR-15 right now. Who do you think is responsible for preventing laws from being passed that interfere with that? Or rolling back gun control laws from the 90's? Liberals? A few hundred trailer park methheads who make up whatever the current incarnation of the American Nazi Party is?


I already gave another example up above. Gun rights. Which are kind of a massive deal. Brandon Tarrant, who aside from killing a bunch of people has beliefs that aren't too out of step with many people in the alt-right, flat out said he wanted to cause gun confiscation in both New Zealand and America in hopes of escalating muh civil war. It didn't work in America but it worked pretty great in New Zealand, except for the slight problem of over a million Kiwis not turning over their guns.

1: His name is Brenton Tarrant
2:Looks like his plan to create animosity between the government and gun-owning New Zealanders worked then, didn't it?
3: Can you go and buy a bump stock? And will you still be able to get an AR-15 once red flag laws are passed, if someone decides to report you because they think you shouldn't be trusted with one?

 

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What conservative values? What conservative positions? I don't know how many times I can ask this and not get a straight answer. Conservatism is ultimately a conciliatory position. It only exists to conserve the status quo, the status quo reached by ceding ground to the left over the decades. The MAGA crowd are already defending BASED trannies. Conservatism is a joke.

1: His name is Brenton Tarrant
2:Looks like his plan to create animosity between the government and gun-owning New Zealanders worked then, didn't it?
3: Can you go and buy a bump stock? And will you still be able to get an AR-15 once red flag laws are passed, if someone decides to report you because they think you shouldn't be trusted with one?

"Conservatism is a joke because they refuse to endorse the silencing of opinions that I dislike!"
For someone who dislikes Vox Day, you sure sound like him.