Debate user 'Mother puss bucket' about feminism and TERFs in tranny threads -

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Mother puss bucket

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I get my own thread!

No true scotsman is the classic feminist argument whenever you discuss anything feminists do. They used this argument against MRAs for years who are themselves a branch of feminist ideology. "I just want equality" as almost all modern people do is considered a feminist statement so being part of that ideology you need to understand all the shit we deal with now is part of it. Niggers, Spics, Islam, Trannies, fags, you name it and you're playing your part. When you say "I want alternative life styles to be accepted as normal" you don't have a way to put the brakes on that. The same way first and second wave feminists thought they could get just what they wanted and move on, the most insane will never move on. If you push the kart up a hill, don't bitch when someone else rides it down the other side. There are plenty of anti-feminist women and women who don't want any part of feminism but still benefit from it and object to people pushing against it. Saying you want human rights and equality comes with a shit load of baggage you need to own up to when the chickens come to roost.

I've noticed feminists and now TERFs are finding their ways into spaces they previously rejected for being 'problematic'. It's the classic story of the death of a community. People move away from feminist places because they're censorship heavy shit holes. Then the censorship gets worse and worse until eventually the feminists are on the chopping block. They then proceed to learn nothing and invade the spaces which they earlier rejected because those are the only places which won't eject them for not being woke enough. Then they proceed to police those places into oblivion and turn them back into censorship heavy shit holes. If you want an example of that I present to you... Kiwi Farms. Where the upboat system lets feminists dog pile people posting against them and slap each other on the back by displaying approved of opinions and disapproved of opinions. Leading people to instinctively learn towards the carrot which the feminist bullies hand out with likes/dislikes. If you have spent any time lurking 'free speech' places you have noticed the feminists start to leak in and treat it like they did Twitter and Reddit before they got the ban hammer. They never learn their lesson, so I may as well spell it out for you.

The world is full of predators. The wolves are always knocking at your door and you need a guard dog to keep them away. When you refuse to act as the guard dog needs for fulfillment the guard dog says fuck it let the wolves have her. If you treat the guard dog well he'll do everything in his power to make you happy as long as you do your best to do the same for him. Some wolves will pretend they're dogs and if you have enough guard dogs around they will find these wolves and lynch them for you. This is the basis of the human family and the community. When you say "fuck that, I want to do my own things!" you deserve your tranny infested shit holes. If it was just YOU being raped by those trannies then it would be karmic justice and you would get exactly what you deserved. But you dragged that kart up the hill with all the innocent people inside it and now they have to deal with it too. And because you brow beat all the men who would have protected you and turned them away from women/being masculine you no longer have any options for guards at all. When you bitch about gender roles and being a fulfilling partner men say fuck women I'll go play video games and watch porn. The sexual dynamic isn't as simple as one ruling the other and everything must be done as the man commands. Most relationships the woman has more power over the family than the man does, but the man has the final say. If you have ever dealt with a woman who's emotions bounce from hormones you instantly know why this is how it works. The more emotionally stable (well until feminism fucked up men) family member is in charge but acts in ways which benefit everyone under his charge.

Men have been evolutionary selected to look after women and children, the vast majority of them will defend a woman no matter who she is if she sees them attacked in the street. Is what I would be saying if feminists didn't promote multiculturalism and invited in a bunch of foreign hostile groups not because they care about these people. But because feminism is such a spiteful ideology it doesn't care to build anything or to promote anything, as long as it tears down tradition and traditional institutions it's happy. There are places all over Europe now women can't go because feminist ideology thought destroying straight white's men hard work was a good thing and invited refugees on mass into areas then tried to silence any men who fought back (including now making it illegal to fight back and letting the government arrest these people). This is the truth of all leftist ideologies and why none of them make sense when taken as a whole picture. It doesn't matter what it stands for, as long as it attacks tradition and stability it's welcome under leftist banners. Which makes all feminism and all feminists by default destructive and hostile to a stable civilization.

If feminists shit themselves and stayed where they were it wouldn't be such a problem. But they never do, they always have to shit themselves, smear it on the walls then move on when they think the place has too much shit on it. This is pretty common for women in general who want to complain about things not to fix them. It's why men and women often come into conflict when a woman wants to bitch and complain and the man wants to resolve the problem. Women want to be understood in their emotional state and men think they're asking for him to do something. The problem with online spaces and especially feminist in online spaces is there are always men out there willing to simp for women and this non-stop complaining leads to censorship and the soul of any place they invade dying. Feminism has spread into so many spaces now everything is dying and rotten. Feminism is now the dominant ideology in the world and it's making everyone miserable except for the destructive forces which get to rape, loot and burn anything they want and have full protection under feminism. But don't blame feminists for any problems they caused, they just had Daddy issues and wanted to larp as men.
 

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For the sake of comprehension, I will note that there are actually a growing number of so called “terfs” that don’t hate men the way many radfems do. It’s probably because the Troon shit is such a clear cut issue it naturally attracts a lot of normal women, and because men have an easier time talking about this stuff than women do. I know some will disagree with that last part but if you’ve been around troons you know it’s true, also the word terf goes a long way in writing off the women talking about this. Men just don’t get the same automatic vitriol, though they do get it I’ve just noticed that they really, really loathe the women who talk about it. It’s pretty easy to figure out why that is.

Also fuckin love the argument they use like “why are you so obsessed with us just trying to exist” because yes, if one group is obsessed with the other it’s definitely women obsessed with MTFs and not the other way around. Beautiful self own, like many of the things they say.
Do you really think men can enter these circles and say anything they want without automatic vitriol? Must be some sort of incel, neckbeard permavirgin gamergater! Men have it so shit under feminism they're automatically on the bottom of the totem. They're the target of the most hate (straight white men especially) and can't even fend for themselves. If 5 men and 5 women walked into a feminist discussion group the men would be told they're privileged and need to let the women speak first.

If you think men are better able to deal with feminist attacks then explain why MRAs and male rape shelters are so fiercely attacked by feminists. MRAs are just the sex swapped version of feminists, they blame all the same problems on the same causes. Yet MRAs are despised and constantly attacked by feminists and told to stop talking and let the feminists talk for them instead. The Honey badgers were pretty famous in MRA circles because they were allowed to speak and say things male MRAs were not. They turned out to be a bunch of grifters but that doesn't change how easy it was for female MRAs to get better treatment than male MRAs. Which is a branch of feminist ideology which becomes anti-feminist from the way men are treated under feminism, but holds all the same ideals, ideas and goals.
 

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Just about every vocal feminist I've encountered has been a gibbering narcissist with a woefully out-of-touch perspective on how the sexes typically interact. The only real difference between "radical" feminists and "liberal" ones is that the former are more uncompromising and dogmatic about it.

To their credit, the "TERF" camp do have a point when it comes to the excesses of trans activism and where it ultimately leads, but I think we can mostly attribute this to the old adage that a stopped clock is right twice a day.
 

Mother puss bucket

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Just about every vocal feminist I've encountered has been a gibbering narcissist with a woefully out-of-touch perspective on how the sexes typically interact. The only real difference between "radical" feminists and "liberal" ones is that the former are more uncompromising and dogmatic about it.

To their credit, the "TERF" camp do have a point when it comes to the excesses of trans activism and where it ultimately leads, but I think we can mostly attribute this to the old adage that a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Your post reminded me of this blog post by socialjusticewizard trying to explain why anime made men into trannies. Originals gone now but it's archived on the way back machine. The trans activism isn't anything new, it's the same stuff they've been doing for decades but now they're not the chosen people any more. The article talks about how feminist destruction of gender roles is needed to prevent trannies from existing, despite a lack of sex roles being what leads people to consume weird pornography and have no clue who they are as a person which lets the tranny ideas take root in their minds. They have such insane ideas as boys are punished for laughing unless it's because they beat someone. How many men have a childhood where laughing was considered too feminine and got punished for it? So many of these people have abnormal childhoods and then blame everyone else for it and assume theirs is the normal one instead of a slither of a percentage.

 

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What privileges and delusions do you think women have now because of radical feminism that you think we should give up in exchange for your help?
I think I saw you say you don't support "golf club" feminism so this probably doesn't apply to you.

In my hobby (cycling) women are allowed to barge in and complain that clubs are too male. If we say it's because most women can't keep up it's sexist. They even say we're macho and show off by going downhill too fast even though heavier objects roll downhill faster (Galileo's falling cannonballs experiment doesn't apply to rolling objects). They literally want us to Harrison Bergeron ourselves and hold the brakes.

Men actually found a solution to this and started buying e-bikes for their wives/girlfriends/dads/etc so they can come out and keep up. Pinarello picked up on this and ran ads with middle aged men and young women. Women then called this solution sexist to imply they're too weak to keep up with men and Pinarello got cancelled.

Check out the different reactions for each image:
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(These bikes are $8k btw and the female ad is clearly aimed at serious cyclist husbands/boyfriends buying it as a present.)

Now trannies are allowed into women's races and suddenly the tune changes. They want us to save them but they won't even admit they did any of this previous stuff.

For the sake of comprehension, I will note that there are actually a growing number of so called “terfs” that don’t hate men the way many radfems do.
This is undoubtedly true but this is also similar to how we got here in the first place. How many of these born again TERFs previously blindly supported mainstream feminism because they believed the simple "feminism is the belief that men and women are equal" and unwittingly supported shitty causes like trannies while calling anyone who tried to warn them misogynist? Now they blindly support TERFism and there's no indication it won't repeat itself.

If they admitted that maybe the money they spent on the "this is what a feminist looks like" shirt perhaps didn't go to a good cause then I'd give them some slack but they double down and admit absolutely no fault.

If they got off the ride years ago then fair play but a lot of it seems to be recent converts like JK Rowling who only changed their minds when they were personally effected.

and because men have an easier time talking about this stuff than women do.
When you're already called homophobic, misogynist, racist, Islamophobic, etc then adding transphobic to the pile makes no difference. Women are only scared to speak up because they're not used to the abuse. They're not used to the abuse because they supported most things that lead us up to this point. Religious women have less of a problem because they're used to their religion being attacked.

I saw a post on KF along the lines of "men can't take criticism so they will save us when they're called transphobes for refusing to suck girldick". How deep in the bubble do you have to be to say that.
 
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Do you really think men can enter these circles and say anything they want without automatic vitriol? Must be some sort of incel, neckbeard permavirgin gamergater! Men have it so shit under feminism they're automatically on the bottom of the totem. They're the target of the most hate (straight white men especially) and can't even fend for themselves. If 5 men and 5 women walked into a feminist discussion group the men would be told they're privileged and need to let the women speak first.

If you think men are better able to deal with feminist attacks then explain why MRAs and male rape shelters are so fiercely attacked by feminists. MRAs are just the sex swapped version of feminists, they blame all the same problems on the same causes. Yet MRAs are despised and constantly attacked by feminists and told to stop talking and let the feminists talk for them instead. The Honey badgers were pretty famous in MRA circles because they were allowed to speak and say things male MRAs were not. They turned out to be a bunch of grifters but that doesn't change how easy it was for female MRAs to get better treatment than male MRAs. Which is a branch of feminist ideology which becomes anti-feminist from the way men are treated under feminism, but holds all the same ideals, ideas and goals.

Hahaha fuck off dude you’re responding to shit I didn’t even say, nor did I imply and nor did I mean. I’m talking about centre circles of feminism and you replied as if I’m talking about the gamergate ilk. In many circles it’s men and women talking about troon shit and it’s all allowed, no one tells men to stfu and many are well respected in those communities. Obviously there are the men hating ones, but I so fucking clearly wasn’t talking about them.
You started off, in the comment I replied to, not generalising. Now you’re generalising to the point of idiocy and I’m not even going to spend a single minute more repeating a million disclaimers (some people do this but some do that and some think this etc etc etc) when what I said is pretty easy to understand - but I will address one of your points.

“ If you think men are better able to deal with feminist attacks” was talking about troon attacks not feminist attacks but OK and btw every single time you see people complain about men’s abuse centres there are always a load of “feminists” (the ones I was mainly talking about) talking about how batshit the people trying to get it closed are.
 

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Then the censorship gets worse and worse until eventually the feminists are on the chopping block. They then proceed to learn nothing and invade the spaces which they earlier rejected because those are the only places which won't eject them for not being woke enough. Then they proceed to police those places into oblivion and turn them back into censorship heavy shit holes. If you want an example of that I present to you... Kiwi Farms. Where the upboat system lets feminists dog pile people posting against them and slap each other on the back by displaying approved of opinions and disapproved of opinions. Leading people to instinctively learn towards the carrot which the feminist bullies hand out with likes/dislikes. If you have spent any time lurking 'free speech' places you have noticed the feminists start to leak in and treat it like they did Twitter and Reddit before they got the ban hammer. They never learn their lesson, so I may as well spell it out for you.
Caring way too much about internet stickers man. It ain't that deep. Negrates shouldn't bother you, if you really believe in free speech you just speak your mind without minding the shiny lady stickers.
When you say "fuck that, I want to do my own things!" you deserve your tranny infested shit holes. If it was just YOU being raped by those trannies then it would be karmic justice and you would get exactly what you deserved
Okay I think this is literally a meme. There's that "you get what you fucking deserve" meme plus writing an autistic screed worthy of multiple copypastas. @SIGSEGV get your copypasta folder ready.
They even say we're macho and show off by going downhill too fast even though heavier objects roll downhill faster (Galileo's falling cannonballs experiment doesn't apply to rolling objects). They literally want us to Harrison Bergeron ourselves and hold the brakes.
So are you saying they get mad that you're acting macho by going down a hill too fast or they want you to slow down when it's not easy to do so? I know nothing about sports.
 
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It amazes me how much vitriol the truth garners..lmao
 

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So are you saying they get mad that you're acting macho by going down a hill too fast or they want you to slow down when it's not easy to do so? I know nothing about sports.
The terminal velocity of a 75kg person coasting/rolling down a 5% hill is about 46km/h (28.5mph)

The terminal velocity of a 55kg person coasting/rolling down a 5% hill is about 40km/h (25mph)

They can both descend safely and brake the same amount into corners but the heavier rider will always accelerate out of them faster and reach a higher max speed. (IIRC, acceleration from gravity is the same but the heavier rider has more mass to overcome deacceleration from air friction.)

So if most men do literally nothing they will arrive at the bottom before most women. Some women then get embarrassed because the group has to stop and wait for them. They don't realise the physics and think we're pedalling hard to race to the bottom and embarrass them on purpose.

Men get embarrassed too but have no-one to blame. Vegan Cyclist is a YouTuber who rides with pros and he always mentions how embarrassing it is to be dying while the pros next to him are having a casual chat. He memes it as "vegan excuses".
 
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The terminal velocity of a 75kg person rolling down a 5% hill is about 46km/h (28.5mph)

The terminal velocity of a 55kg person rolling down a 5% hill is about 40km/h (25mph)

They can both descend safely and brake the same amount into corners but the heavier rider will always accelerate out of them faster and reach a higher max speed. (IIRC, acceleration from gravity is the same but the heavier rider has more mass to overcome deacceleration from air friction.)

So if most men do literally nothing they will arrive at the bottom before most women. Some women then get embarrassed because the group has to stop and wait for them. They don't realise the physics and think we're pedalling hard to race to the bottom and embarrass them on purpose.

Men get embarrassed too but have no-one to blame. Vegan Cyclist is a YouTuber who rides with pros and he always mentions how embarrassing it is to be dying while the pros next to him are having a casual chat. He memes it as "vegan excuses".
Oh wow, so gravity is just basically pulling them down faster because they're bigger and the women see it as some personal misogynist slight? Interesting. Feminism can definitely lead to stuff like that if you're not logical about applying it. I think the atomization of capitalist society is the root to all these gender issues. They're looking for more conflict because they know they can't defeat capitalism.
 

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In many circles it’s men and women talking about troon shit and it’s all allowed, no one tells men to stfu and many are well respected in those communities.
Men constantly get told to STFU and you can see many examples of the language they use in the post right above yours. It's literally the progressive stack in action.

Caring way too much about internet stickers man. It ain't that deep. Negrates shouldn't bother you, if you really believe in free speech you just speak your mind without minding the shiny lady stickers.
Not the way human psychology works. Internet stickers don't matter but people respond to negative and positive feedback. Stickers and upvotes on Reddit work the same way in pushing group think towards the approval of the most autistic.

Oh wow, so gravity is just basically pulling them down faster because they're bigger and the women see it as some personal misogynist slight? Interesting. Feminism can definitely lead to stuff like that if you're not logical about applying it. I think the atomization of capitalist society is the root to all these gender issues. They're looking for more conflict because they know they can't defeat capitalism.
Are you insane? This has nothing to do with being a commie or a capitalist. It's obviously about women being told they're equal to men and they're not. Instead of facing reality and accepting they're less capable of doing what men are they act like men are trying to cheat and make them look bad. A sane woman would accept men are better at physical sports and gravity makes them go down hill faster than women do. Feminism brainwashed these women into believing they're equal to men and they can't get past that when reality knocks on the door. They bitch and whine then start throwing 'isms around when they're told the truth and refuse to accept it.

Feminism is responsible for the atomization of society. By removing the mother from the home you lack a core to the family unit. You put them in the work force and you lack people always mingling with their neighbours and local community events. Feminisms support of foreigners coming in made it even worse where people inside those communities still left can't trust each other any more. One slip of wrong think and a neighbour they didn't know was woke can have them arrested for hate speech. A culture has to have similar ideals, similar ethnic make up and similar life styles to bond together, feminism made sure none of that is possible and continues to do so.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If TERFs were particularly laugh worthy, instead of just plain up boring, I would join in too.
That's a nice video game idea but reality doesn't work that way. TERFs will happily stab you in the back for being a white male as soon as you do their bidding. Women all through out human history have used men to fight their battles for them and happily tossed them away soon after. Feminists are not your friend and crying for help before they stab you in the back is how many men have ended up with their lives destroyed.
 

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I think while it is poetic it'd be a lot funnier if the stakes weren't rape. I mean it's still funny, you have womxn running from dudes in dressing who are screaming about not being creepy predators and how it marginalizes them to be profiled like that, womxn getting beat at what was supposed to be their exclusive game (like IRL too). After running from a "woman" using their oppression to browbeat them, the womxn comes here and whinges about how traditional gender roles are the precursor to marital rape. Its like pottery, and I'd almost think it was an obvious joke till I saw all these autistic screeds flying back and forth.
10/10 thread I'd say never change, but if you haven't yet, I know I'll be enjoying my tad-too-dark-for-my-taste-schadenfreude for years to come.
 

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Men constantly get told to STFU and you can see many examples of the language they use in the post right above yours. It's literally the progressive stack in action.


Not the way human psychology works. Internet stickers don't matter but people respond to negative and positive feedback. Stickers and upvotes on Reddit work the same way in pushing group think towards the approval of the most autistic.


Are you insane? This has nothing to do with being a commie or a capitalist. It's obviously about women being told they're equal to men and they're not. Instead of facing reality and accepting they're less capable of doing what men are they act like men are trying to cheat and make them look bad. A sane woman would accept men are better at physical sports and gravity makes them go down hill faster than women do. Feminism brainwashed these women into believing they're equal to men and they can't get past that when reality knocks on the door. They bitch and whine then start throwing 'isms around when they're told the truth and refuse to accept it.

Feminism is responsible for the atomization of society. By removing the mother from the home you lack a core to the family unit. You put them in the work force and you lack people always mingling with their neighbours and local community events. Feminisms support of foreigners coming in made it even worse where people inside those communities still left can't trust each other any more. One slip of wrong think and a neighbour they didn't know was woke can have them arrested for hate speech. A culture has to have similar ideals, similar ethnic make up and similar life styles to bond together, feminism made sure none of that is possible and continues to do so.


That's a nice video game idea but reality doesn't work that way. TERFs will happily stab you in the back for being a white male as soon as you do their bidding. Women all through out human history have used men to fight their battles for them and happily tossed them away soon after. Feminists are not your friend and crying for help before they stab you in the back is how many men have ended up with their lives destroyed.
You know there's anti-immigrant feminists right? They just get banned from everything. I myself am an anti-miscegenation polytheist feminist socialist. Feel free to send me love letters, the future is female wuw!
 

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You know there's anti-immigrant feminists right? They just get banned from everything. I myself am an anti-miscegenation polytheist feminist socialist. Feel free to send me love letters, the future is female wuw!
So you're exceptional? Got it.

Anti-immigrant doesn't change the ground work laid by those feminists allowing for the immigration flood. Feminism lowers the birth rate and that's where businesses can lobby for more immigrants.
 

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No true feminist yet again huh? Same old argument of "that's not what a feminist stands for!" that loops forever. Feminists are Legion, it's a big ball of retards making a giant mass that stands for everything and nothing and uses the other tards as a battering ram no matter what they believe.

Fuck shame, beat them instead. No sissies or bulldykes.
So, taking this out of the TERF thread before we get spanked by the jannies, and here we go. First-wave feminism is centered on the suffragette movement, which was pretty evenly split between radical social-justice advocates and conservative women who just wanted a seat at the table of power. Outside of female suffrage, the radicals focused on issues like abolitionism and rights for minorities, while the conservatives focused on austerity movements and pro-war campaigns like the whitefeathers. Both camps are absolutely true feminists, and I don't downplay or disavow anything they did. They're feminists, and they did and thought bad things.

But they absolutely believed in gender-roles, and their doctrine was absolutely incompatible with second-wave 'radical' feminism except for the idea that women should be able to vote. You're crying about men being forced into suicide because of the dismantling of gender roles and the example you bring up is whitefeathers ; who explictly and deliberately tried to force men into suicide by appealing to their gender roles. I can understand why anyone might be apprehensive at the thought of gender abolition, but you're not being the slightest bit consistent here. Are you for gender roles, or are you against them? Are whitefeathers a good thing, or a bad thing?
 
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