Debate users Unog and big ups liquid richard about the ethics of lolicon and Venti's stink -

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Nova Prime

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everything she does comes from a place of rampant petty insecurity, which makes me not take her seriously, even when i somewhat agree. but i especially have no love for faggots who simp for anime girls either, so by all means venti. swing away in your autistic slap fight. enjoy the clout while it lasts i guess.

but vtube fanfags aside, it's weird that the loli spergs on twitter feel such a strong need to defend their love for little girl drawings. like, if it's ""not a big deal and it's not pedophilia"", then why do they feel so threatened? likewise, whether it's not considered literal pedophilia (eh i say it's sus as hell and i wouldn't trust any of these niggas near a school zone or a park), it's still degenerate af and not something you should brag about you fucking mongs. why would you feel protective and prideful over degeneracy???
even foot fags have enough decency to experience some degree of shame.
Anyone falsely accused of committing crimes, especially something egregious as child abuse, would prompt a defensive reaction. What's weird however is that these supposed loli crusaders only seem to target western consumers instead of the Japanese artists that produce it without consequences. Probably because they don't wanna look racist for decrying pedophilia on someone that can't talk back in English.
That's not irony, and having "most" as a gotcha when people bring up pedophiles who consume it is petty.
I'd be a liar if I said "all" as shown to me by the AlltheFallen thread. I'm just saying people are fully capable of committing acts of CSA without having come into contact at all with loli art drawn by a Japanese person in their bedroom. There really isn't much you can do about the art since it isn't illegal to draw in most parts of the free world.
 

WhoBusTank69

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I'd be a liar if I said "all" as shown to me by the AlltheFallen thread. I'm just saying people are fully capable of committing acts of CSA without having come into contact at all with loli art drawn by a Japanese person in their bedroom. There really isn't much you can do about the art since it isn't illegal to draw in most parts of the free world.
Not all pedophiles are lolicons, all lolicons are pedophiles.
There, I made it simpler for you.
 

Nova Prime

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Not all pedophiles are lolicons, all lolicons are pedophiles.
There, I made it simpler for you.
And yet the FBI will do zero about those damn Japs that draw shit and post it to Twitter for Eurocucks, libs, and Cuties supporters to sperg over. :stress:

Venti has poked quite the hornet's nest, but since she's too stupid to see the bigger picture on the consequences of her actions, she'll lose the attention at some point again until she makes up another non-issue to garner simps.
 
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Takodachi

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but vtube fanfags aside, it's weird that the loli spergs on twitter feel such a strong need to defend their love for little girl drawings. like, if it's ""not a big deal and it's not pedophilia"", then why do they feel so threatened? likewise, whether it's not considered literal pedophilia (eh i say it's sus as hell and i wouldn't trust any of these niggas near a school zone or a park), it's still degenerate af and not something you should brag about you fucking mongs. why would you feel protective and prideful over degeneracy???
even foot fags have enough decency to experience some degree of shame.

Venti got a point there.
Lolicons are the new bronies, they cant just enjoy their shit in peace they have to push it down everyones' throat. But my issue with Sid doesnt steam from that, it comes from her sending her rabid horde of simps after loli artists.
 
That's not irony, and having "most" as a gotcha when people bring up pedophiles who consume it is petty.
Loli is drawn children. Semantics changes nothing about the specific focus.
You ever notice that he only neg rates the anti loli posts here, even the completely objective evidence posts? And keeps trying to downplay the pedophile aspect. Really makes you think.
 
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Chris_Stuckmann

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First post here, though I've been lurking for awhile.
Idol culture is fascinating, and I think Brittany's made a fundamental miscalculation by deciding to attack it.

On a surface level, it makes sense that she would. Afterall, her previous targets were in many ways Western bastardizations of Jap idol bullshit. Anisa, Shoe, and Pokimane in particular all are good examples of western idols in that they're basically camwhores who pretend to be comedians. That pretense allowed those three to gain an enormous amount of popularity, as their online simps were more willing to part with their time and money when they had the option to pretend like they really only liked their idol for her wit or charm and not her body. That made them targets for Brittany as she could easily undermine that pretense by pointing out the various lewd things that those camwhores do to garner male attention. This strategy will not work on Hololive, and I don't think Brittany's smart enough to figure that out.
Why, you ask? Well, part of it is because the culture that surrounds Hololive and idol culture in general is far hardier and more self-aware than it appears (this might not be apparent if all you look at is YouTube comment sections). One of the most interesting aspects of Hololive's idol culture is the presence of open secrets that everybody knows and nobody divulges. The identity of Kiryuu Coco, for instance, is common knowledge amongst large sections of the Hololive fandom. And yet, it is considered highly taboo for her fans to speak of it and they actually manage to do a good job of keeping it on the down-low. This is pretty impressive for a massive, constantly growing fandom like the one that Coco has.
There's also the fact that most of the Western fans of Hololive and Vtubers in general don't originate from the livestreams but from translated clips of stream highlights. Due to this, the number of simps in Hololive's overseas fandom has been stifled somewhat and the number people who are fans of Vtubers due to their sense of humor has been heightened. One of the most popular Vtubers in the West is Usada Pekora, who isn't lewd at all and is actually pretty funny. Her fans don't like her primarily because she's cute, but primarily because of the clips in which she trolls her fellow idols.
 

Nova Prime

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You ever notice that he only neg rates the anti loli posts here, even the completely objective evidence posts? And keeps trying to downplay the pedophile aspect. Really makes you think.
There really is nothing that can be done about the drawings as long as concepts like the First Amendment exists in the free world. That's an objective fact I came to the realization to. All this attention on drawings does literally nothing at all for children, and Sid has the gall to compare CSA trauma to some Jap's drawing.

I understand your stance on the subject of lolis and share your concern for the children. It makes me uncomfortable, too, but there's nothing that can done about it in the long run and it takes focus away from children who suffer real abuse.
 

Nova Prime

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Here we go again...Pedophilia is pedophilia. It shouldn't be ignored. It needs to be culled.
Finish the sentence. Drawings of children getting raped. This shit is so out of hand. 10-15 years ago, you barely heard about the loli shit. Now its a glorified lifestyle to be a weeb pedo on twitter.
As long as Japanese people stand by the mantra of "You can draw whatever you want as long as you don't do it in real life." and our First Amendment is still in effect, they'll continue producing it regardless of your opinion.
 
Fuck out of here, people have been arguing about anime and pedophilia since at least the 80s. You haven't brought up anything that hasn't already been said 30 years ago.
Now its a glorified lifestyle to be a weeb pedo on twitter. Huge difference. You can't criticize them without the huge flood of anime avatars coming out and crying while trying to cancel you. Way different than how it was 30 years ago.

As long as Japanese people stand by the mantra of "You can draw whatever you want as long as you don't do it in real life." and our First Amendment is still in effect, they'll continue producing it regardless of your opinion.
We still have obscenity laws and drawing child porn isn't free speech. It can be banned in the countries that matter.
 
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Chris_Stuckmann

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Now its a glorified lifestyle to be a weeb pedo on twitter. Huge difference. You can't criticize them without the huge flood of anime avatars coming out and crying while trying to cancel you. Way different than how it was 30 years ago.
There's a difference between something being glorified and something being understood. There's nothing good about being a lolicon, but there's nothing harmful about jacking off to a picture either. You can have both.
 

Unog

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Now its a glorified lifestyle to be an infidel on twitter. Huge difference. You can't criticize them without the huge flood of apostates and kafir coming out and crying while trying to cancel you. Way different than how it was 30 years ago.


We still have obscenity laws and drawing Muhammad isn't free speech. It can be banned in the countries that matter.

Inshallah, brother.
 
There's nothing good about being a lolicon, but there's nothing harmful about jacking off to a picture either.
A picture of children having sex, you left that part out.
it definitely is harmful to their psyche, and society as a whole.
Inshallah, brother.
One is a historical figure, the other is child porn. Big difference in the actual content.
 

Unog

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One is a historical figure, the other is child porn. Big difference in the actual content.

Both are otherwise rational adults getting steaming, fuming mad at drawings.

I get it, I really do, but getting upset at pen put to paper is fucking exceptional. There's plenty of repugnant, horrible shit that isn't child porn that isn't unlawful to draw, either. Legal != moral.
 
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