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What is the social and economic reality surrounding the 18% difference in wages between men and women? Men make more than women; however, we are socially conditioned to expect men to take on more work than women and to be providers. All things considered, does the wage gap matter and what would be the implications of closing it?
 

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What is the social and economic reality surrounding the 18% difference in wages between men and women? Men make more than women; however, we are socially conditioned to expect men to take on more work than women and to be providers. All things considered, does the wage gap matter and what would be the implications of closing it?

I think that men being seen as providers and "taking on more work" than women discounts how much work women do that they don't get paid for. I know plenty of women who are employed full-time and who are still expected to do all is the domestic tasks at home. That work is not factored into any studies on the wage gap because it's not considered actual employment. So what about women who don't "take on more work" outside the home because they're already working hard at home? I think that's where the pay gap comes in. Not so much from discrimination, which does happen, but because women are expected to do more unpaid labor than men, so of course we make less money.
 

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What is the social and economic reality surrounding the 18% difference in wages between men and women? Men make more than women; however, we are socially conditioned to expect men to take on more work than women and to be providers. All things considered, does the wage gap matter and what would be the implications of closing it?
The wage gap exists simply because of the fact that employers know that, statistically, men and women of the same age/education level/experience level work different hours per week. Although not all women are the primary caregivers of children, enough of them are, which means that they have obligations outside of the workplace that cause them to leave early/come in late.

I forget the exact figure but full-time male workers (of all professions) work something like 44 hours per week to female workers' 36 on average. Men are paid more upfront because companies expect women to put in less time. Anyone who has ever worked closely in an office with a mother knows that they use their kids as an excuse to leave early at least once a week. Hiring managers know this, too. Is it fair to childless women, no. Is it fair to the mothers who think that they can just take off whenever because "day care called," yes. Equal pay for equal work should be a thing, but how do you effectively prove (as a boss) that salaried men are working more than salaried women without a witch hunt in the office? Instead they just pay the women a little less for the same job from the start, assuming that the women will work less hours. It's usually true.
 
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The wage gap exists simply because of the fact that employers know that, statistically, men and women of the same age/education level/experience level work different hours per week. Although not all women are the primary caregivers of children, enough of them are, which means that they have obligations outside of the workplace that cause them to leave early/come in late.

I forget the exact figure but full-time male workers (of all professions) work something like 44 hours per week to female workers' 36 on average. Men are paid more upfront because companies expect women to put in less time. Anyone who has ever worked closely in an office with a mother knows that they use their kids as an excuse to leave early at least once a week. Hiring managers know this, too. Is it fair to childless women, no. Is it fair to the mothers who think that they can just take off whenever because "day care called," yes. Equal pay for equal work should be a thing, but how do you effectively prove (as a boss) that salaried men are working more than salaried women without a witch hunt in the office? Instead they just pay the women a little less for the same job from the start, assuming that the women will work less hours. It's usually true.
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I think that men being seen as providers and "taking on more work" than women discounts how much work women do that they don't get paid for. I know plenty of women who are employed full-time and who are still expected to do all is the domestic tasks at home. That work is not factored into any studies on the wage gap because it's not considered actual employment. So what about women who don't "take on more work" outside the home because they're already working hard at home? I think that's where the pay gap comes in. Not so much from discrimination, which does happen, but because women are expected to do more unpaid labor than men, so of course we make less money.

I know quite a few women who work salary (meaning they usually end up working way more that 40 hours a week) that still go home and do all the domestic chores as well, while their husbands work similar hours and just come home. I think we're at a point in our society that we're fine with women going out to work, but haven't quite gotten over the domestic chores hurdle. If a man wants to be a stay-at-home dad with the kids and do all the housework, he's considered a deadbeat in quite a few people's eyes. It's slowly shifting (I know plenty of families who share the chores as well), but it'll be another couple of decades before it's the norm for less traditional families.
 
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when people talk about the wage gap between men and women, i think that might have something to do with women typically taking jobs that pay less anyway.

men tend to be doctors.
women tend to be nurses.

but then the question we should ask is whether being a nurse was already a low-paying job, or that it became a low-paying job because women tend to be in that field.

also if a woman can prove that she is being paid less than a man while she is doing the same job as the man, and putting in the same number of hours, then legally-speaking she must be paid the same amount as a man, and she should report it.
 

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but then the question we should ask is whether being a nurse was already a low-paying job, or that it became a low-paying job because women tend to be in that field.

I think that's part of it. See also teachers (I primarily mean K-12 but universities swing disproportionately female too and are shockingly badly paid). Somehow that became traditionally female in the US because we're supposed to be natural caretakers and nurturers and shit. I think that's related to the perception of what nursing is vs. how difficult it actually is.
 
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