Did Hitler Have The Wrong Idea, But The Right Means -

[The Pink Panther]

Think about it. He wanted to influence nazism amongst the people, and let's be real here, nazism is a terrible idea, but he did it correctly. He stayed in the background, increased his party influence, invaded other countries, oppressed the race of which he claims had done wrong to his people, and made himself a God amongst men. The only problem was that it was nazism that was his driving ideological force and nazism is pretty bad, let's be real here. I mean, you'd have to be a fucking idiot, absolutely RETARDED to support Hitler or any breakoff ideology of nazism, but what do I know? His rise to power worked, but replace that with any other ideology, and think of what you can do to control the people? If his idea was better, he would've been the greatest leader of all time.

Hitler may have been a man of his time, but you can't lie that his rise to power was executed in the most perfect way possible despite his idiotic ideas.

 

[Save the Loli]

If Hitler died in early 1939 and Germany didn't start WWII he'd unironically be considered one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century and the only problem people would have with Nazism is that Hitler was rude to the Jews (you know, just like the majority of Europe like Poland was). Okay, sure, Hitler's economic recovery was a bubble that needed a war and looting to be sustained but when the bubble bursts it's because Hitler's successors weren't as good at economics as he was.

The only problem was that it was nazism that was his driving ideological force and nazism is pretty bad, let's be real here

The only problem was that HE LOST THE WAR HE STARTED. Hitler didn't pay enough attention to the logistics on the Eastern Front and was kind of a dick to his generals so they got to blame all their mistakes on him.

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

I earnestly thought this was a Moviebob-themed shitpost.

Spoiler: Seeing as it's not

No, Totalitarianism is not an inherently stable political system. Having national policy depend entirely on a single individual's whims and decisions is inherently a recipe for disastrously bad policy-making, corruption, and political instability when the retard-in-chief dies with no clear successor.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Hitler was charismatic but by all accounts a pretty terrible leader otherwise (even excluding the nazi shit). He wouldn't listen to his generals and appointees, he was delusional and paranoid and hated any bad news, even if it was the truth

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Hitler was charismatic but by all accounts a pretty terrible leader otherwise (even excluding the nazi shit). He wouldn't listen to his generals and appointees, he was delusional and paranoid and hated any bad news, even if it was the truth

There’s a reason he lost the war lol.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Man, Deep Thots is so empty now.....that everyone thought I was being fr....

Did Hitler Have The Right Idea, But The Wrong Means?

Think about it. All he wanted to do was make Germany great again. They were left in shambles and economic turmoil after WWI. A stronger government was needed for the country. He was ambitious and took the reigns and fixed Germany. Without him, Germany wouldn't have such good economic standing...

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[Meat Target]

Hitler was charismatic but by all accounts a pretty terrible leader otherwise (even excluding the nazi shit). He wouldn't listen to his generals and appointees, he was delusional and paranoid and hated any bad news, even if it was the truth

Also, his personal physician, Theodor Morell, was a quack and a slob.

 

[AMERICA]

Right idea, wrong means

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Also, his personal physician, Theodor Morell, was a quack and a slob.

When Hitler was troubled with grogginess in the morning, Morell would inject him with a solution of water mixed with a substance from several small, gold-foiled packets, which he called "Vitamultin". Hitler would arise, refreshed and invigorated. Hitler gave a packet to Himmler, who immediately became suspicious and instead secretly ordered one of his SS physicians, Ernst-Günther Schenck, to have it tested in a laboratory. It was found to contain methamphetamine. On at least one occasion, Hitler ordered his private train stopped so that Morell could inject him without worrying about the train jostlin

lol that'll wake you up

 

[Slimy Time]

Maybe someone can answer this for me. Germany faced great depression, wheelbarrows full of money to get a loaf of bread and burning it to keep warm, everyone poor as shit. This asshole gets into power, turns things around to the point where they are able to fight a hard 2nd world war. What policies did he/his party enact that turned it around in such a short space of time?

A lot of talk about the war and how he was a fuckup that screwed over his generals by making shit decisions, kinda know about how he got into power, beer hall putsch and Reichstag fire, am near ignorant regarding that gap between coming to power and war kicking off, and him turning the economy around.

 

[garakfan69]

This asshole gets into power, turns things around to the point where they are able to fight a hard 2nd world war. What policies did he/his party enact that turned it around in such a short space of time?

Germany's economy started recovering alongside every other country from the Great Depression shortly before he took power.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Maybe someone can answer this for me. Germany faced great depression, wheelbarrows full of money to get a loaf of bread and burning it to keep warm, everyone poor as shit. This asshole gets into power, turns things around to the point where they are able to fight a hard 2nd world war. What policies did he/his party enact that turned it around in such a short space of time?

A lot of talk about the war and how he was a fuckup that screwed over his generals by making shit decisions, kinda know about how he got into power, beer hall putsch and Reichstag fire, am near ignorant regarding that gap between coming to power and war kicking off, and him turning the economy around.

From my understanding, the Nazis privatized several industries such as banking, transportation infrastructure, and shipping so they boosted entrepreneurial growth in the economy. They took in taxes from the common folk for public infrastructure works such as the Autobahn and Volkswagen. But a lot of it was deficit spending and deceptive bookkeeping so that the rest of the world was unaware that Germany was rearming itself. So much of Germany's economic growth was the military build-up and other industrial developments.

That deficit was going to be paid back from plundering the conquered territory, or at least that is what ended up happening, but not at the amount needed to pay back the deficit in full. Hitler is quoted as saying that one of the strengths of the Nazi party is that they have no economic theory, which is like saying I am going to be financial stable by not making a budget.

What we can conclude from this is that Hitler and the Nazi party were more retarded than a mega short bus at capacity. Their party platform was that every Jew in the world was controlling the world by somehow being in charge of communism and capitalism and that the only way to save the German people (defined under a pseudoscientific assumption of the origin of the human species) was to engage in massive war against their neighboring countries. They would then get rid of all those they deemed subhuman, either by deportation, sterilization, or genocide. Then there would be a utopia for the German people. I guess there was just an assumption that everything would work out right and that any problem could be overcome by the "superior race".

I have a feeling that if the internet was around in the Weimar Republic, the Nazis wouldn't have been able to take over because they would have mocked to oblivion for their batshit insane beliefs.

 

[Niggerman]

Hitler was charismatic but by all accounts a pretty terrible leader otherwise (even excluding the nazi shit). He wouldn't listen to his generals and appointees, he was delusional and paranoid and hated any bad news, even if it was the truth

Hitler was a mediocre leader he had good and bad calls. Most of the stuff about him being bad and delusional is allied propaganda or Post War German Generals blaming him for their own incompetence.

 

[Lemmingwise]

What policies did he/his party enact that turned it around in such a short space of time?

They got rid of rothschild bankers, lol.

They fixed their weak currency with a new kind of labourbacked bond. Huge infrastructure works that employed massive amounts of people (like building freeways).

And as it was infrastructure and not some "keep em busy" jobs, it was great for the economy too.

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The way currency is set up basicly is how it's possible to siphon money without too many people noticing. The reason that each time a country leader wants to set up some kind of alternate currency, like Saddam with oil euro, or ghaddafi with gold backing and why they get crushed so quickly, is because that's the prime system of control that has to be defended (not democracy or christianity or freedom).

If you wonder how wildly succesful a non-controlled currency is, look at how bitcoin, an unbacked, low liquidity, exorbitant fee currency is doing.

You can also look at what countries don't have a central bank and you'll know where the next wars will be fought.

This was the list in 2000:

-Afghanistan
-Iraq
-Sudan
-Libya
-Cuba
-North Korea
-Iran

And now the list is:

-Cuba
-North Korea
-Iran

If his idea was better, he would've been the greatest leader of all time.

Hitler may have been a man of his time, but you can't lie that his rise to power was executed in the most perfect way possible despite his idiotic ideas.

I don't think there was anything very special about the man to be honest. We tend to lend a lot of credit and blame to the person on top.

One of the reasons it was easy to preach radical doctrines to the german people was because there had just been a war that looked like they were winning on the battlefield and then suddenly collapsed from higher-up in germany, which made it look like betrayal, whether it was or wasn't.

A communist coup in russia starts to change the country considerably and kills the leadership. A communist coup in germany fails. Meanwhile people are starving, exorbitant debts are paid to foreign countries and most of the food grown is exported.

It's not really difficult to rile up people in such a situation and point to the people who had just tried to coup the country (never mind that hitler had gone to prison for a coup attempt).

Honestly looking back I'm still surprised the communist coup failed because people would have been just as susceptable to their radical rhetoric as that of the nazi party.

 

[rotten apple]

Politics is manipulation and a means for resource control. It is not just making people to do something, but making them to want something. People who want something will do something impulsively, repeatedly, and on their own with no one else to blame. Also it is with full support of their conscience.

Rather than fighting for scraps or infighting you get like minded individuals working harder and more organized toward a singular goal. All for the opportunity to see more of what they all want. Which is often the case to see the people they at least believe are holding them back die in the most painful ways possible. Look past the personalization and you see politics is getting the drones to be productive and thwarting anything that might harm the centralization.

Nazis created a hate sink that aligned their population towards a common goal, that was further amplified by the wars. It also gave the excuse to purge undesirables that were not the obvious, such as sympathizers. For all the gridlock of congress, imaging if one of the parties were so thoroughly suppressed that it was one party rule. A government that is unfettered and never taking a step back can be a terrifyingly productive one so long as the leaders are not incompetent.

The concept of endless wars with enemies at home and abroad is common and well understood by anyone in power. You can see leaders everywhere trying to capture that nazi energy by saber rattling or even calling political opponents nazis. Hitler himself ended up with a wonderful failure or gone horribly right when the momentum couldn't be stopped. Whether you are on the giving or receiving end, do keep this in mind. As an aside, watch candidates call for blood during the election and healing just after they win.

They want your life broken, your children turned against you, and they think its funny. The means to those ends that someone provides will produce entertainment that will be milked for rewards. And finally it either inverts and continues with a new target, or all the witches get burned. Then they personalize a new one and it continues. Fuck monkey politics.

 

[Lemmingwise]

They want your life broken, your children turned against you, and they think its funny

Truest words of the thread.

Read lifting the veil by timothy silver for anyone that disagrees or wants to understand why that would be the case.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Truest words of the thread.

Yes from legendary 16-year-old fucker and school shooter Sam Hyde.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

The whole 'Hitler didn't listen to his generals' thing is complete bollocks. Literally made up by Hitlers generals as an excuse to why the later war actions were so shoddy. He listened, they fucked up, and when he didn't listen he made a mixed bag of good and bad choices.

The issue is the man tried taking on the entire dammed planet. I don't know what he expected? Even under the best outcome of a fascist Britain, and a boot through the rotten structure of the USSR, Hitler probably couldn't have won. A fascist Britain wouldn't be Hitlers friend, they would be the British Empire but fascist. They'd more likely be the Japanese allies due to WW1 alliances.

Even if the H man managed to beat the USSR, keep the British off his ass, stop America from intervening and secured Europe then five or ten years down the line there would probably have been internal civil wars that would have broken the Greater Reich apart.

Or not, I don't have a time machine, maybe if Uncle Adolf managed to beat the world he could hold onto it. Doubt it though.

 

[Aaa0aaa0]

What we can conclude from this is that Hitler and the Nazi party were more retarded than a mega short bus at capacity.

Thanks, this is the kind of sentence that gets me through the day.

I'd like to complement this thread for being actual deep thots about history. Keep it up.

I think he had the wrong ideas and the wrong means. He should have gone into oil instead of watercolor.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

He stayed in the background, increased his party influence, invaded other countries, oppressed the race of which he claims had done wrong to his people, and made himself a God amongst men. The only problem was that it was nazism that was his driving ideological force and nazism is pretty bad, let's be real here. I mean, you'd have to be a fucking idiot, absolutely RETARDED to support Hitler or any breakoff ideology of nazism, but what do I know?

I disagree, you just have to be desperate. Hyperinflation, the great depression, the normalization of underage prostitution to the point you would know members of your family who were involved. I think more people than you think would join out of blind deperation and then slowly wake up to the horror too late. There was a Reichstag election 1930 where the Social Democratic Party of Germany had 29.8% of the seats to Hitler's 2.6%, then Hitler just started climbing as Hindenburg started ruling by emergency powers alone and the SPD plummeted because they couldn't form a government. The politics of the Wiemar Republic are so strange it would take hours to explain them.

If Hitler died in early 1939 and Germany didn't start WWII he'd unironically be considered one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century and the only problem people would have with Nazism is that Hitler was rude to the Jews (you know, just like the majority of Europe like Poland was). Okay, sure, Hitler's economic recovery was a bubble that needed a war and looting to be sustained but when the bubble bursts it's because Hitler's successors weren't as good at economics as he was.

This is so frighteningly true, Germany would have been huge compared to its 1990 form too
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He probably would have been treated like Lenin in the USSR, and however replaced him would definitely acted like Stalin and purged until they died. Afterward though, depending on the geopolitics Germany probably would have shrunk to about 1990 size anyway. Probably for the best, Peaceful Nazis probably would have acquired the atomic bomb.

The only problem was that HE LOST THE WAR HE STARTED. Hitler didn't pay enough attention to the logistics on the Eastern Front and was kind of a dick to his generals so they got to blame all their mistakes on him.

50% of the Tiger tanks lost were abandoned after transmission and engine issues not enemy action. Every opposing force used a perfectly fine 76mm high velocity anti-tank gun, and the maximum size of their tanks reflected this. Hitler wanted his 88 and his tigers. The Pak 42 was the largest gun he needed, but he wanted bigger everything.

The tank corps rode far in advance of the infantry until they became worn out by logistical bottlenecks and battle, and the workers who were supposed to be in the factories supplying them with replacement parts were conscripted for the infantry as Russia was only going to be a 6-8 month war.

Not to even touch on the foolishness of setting the common people against you, their racism lost them the war all on its own. They couldn't defeat the partisans because they already used horror on them, there was no escalation from casual rape and genocide that you inflict to get them to stop.

The movie Come and See (1985) is something else

No, Totalitarianism is not an inherently stable political system. Having national policy depend entirely on a single individual's whims and decisions is inherently a recipe for disastrously bad policy-making, corruption, and political instability when the retard-in-chief dies with no clear successor.

Hitler couldn't figure out what to do after 1940, the British wouldn't leave the war and he assumed Stalin and Roosevelt were the reason why. His paranoia completely unraveled whatever he had gained. Yugoslavia notwithstanding, there was never going to be a victory after France, the Austrian Corporal never thought past that point. He couldn't think of how to end the war without capitulating.

From my understanding, the Nazis privatized several industries such as banking, transportation infrastructure, and shipping so they boosted entrepreneurial growth in the economy. They took in taxes from the common folk for public infrastructure works such as the Autobahn and Volkswagen. But a lot of it was deficit spending and deceptive bookkeeping so that the rest of the world was unaware that Germany was rearming itself. So much of Germany's economic growth was the military build-up and other industrial developments.

That deficit was going to be paid back from plundering the conquered territory, or at least that is what ended up happening, but not at the amount needed to pay back the deficit in full. Hitler is quoted as saying that one of the strengths of the Nazi party is that they have no economic theory, which is like saying I am going to be financial stable by not making a budget.

Hjalmar Schacht was responsible for most of that. In August 1934 Hitler appointed Schacht as Germany's Reichsminister of Economics. Schacht supported public-works programs, most notably the construction of autobahnen (highways) to attempt to alleviate unemployment – policies which had been instituted in Germany by von Schleicher's government in late 1932, and had in turn influenced Roosevelt's policies. He also introduced the "New Plan", Germany's attempt to achieve economic "autarky", in September 1934. Germany had accrued a massive foreign currency deficit during the Great Depression, which continued into the early years of the Third Reich. Schacht negotiated several trade agreements with countries in South America and southeastern Europe, under which Germany would continue to receive raw materials, but would pay in Reichsmarks. This ensured that the deficit would not get any worse, while allowing the German government to deal with the gap which had already developed. Schacht also found an innovative solution to the problem of the government deficit by using MEFO bills.

He was appointed General Plenipotentiary for the War Economy in May 1935 by provision of the Reich Defense Law of 21 May 1935 and was awarded honorary membership in the NSDAP and the Golden Party Badge in January 1937. During the economic crisis of 1935–36, Schacht, together with the Price Commissioner Dr. Carl Friedrich Goerdeler, helped lead the "free-market" faction in the German government. They urged Hitler to reduce military spending, turn away from autarkic and protectionist policies, and reduce state control in the economy. Schacht and Goerdeler were opposed by a faction centering on Hermann Göring. Göring was appointed "Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan" on 18 October 1936, with broad powers that conflicted with Schacht's authority.

Schacht objected to continued high military spending, which he believed would cause inflation, thus coming into conflict with Hitler and Göring. In 1937 Schacht met with Chinese Finance Minister Dr. H. H. Kung. Schacht told him that "German-Chinese friendship stemmed in good part from the hard struggle of both for independence". Kung said, "China considers Germany its best friend ... I hope and wish that Germany will participate in supporting the further development of China, the opening up of its sources of raw materials, the upbuilding of its industries and means of transportation." In November 1937 he resigned as Reichsminister of Economics and General Plenipotentiary at both his and Göring's request. He had grown increasingly dissatisfied with Göring's near-total ignorance of economics, and was also concerned that Germany was coming close to bankruptcy.

The only thing Hjalmar didn't do was SS-Oberführer Porsche's SS Sturmwerk Volkswagen that was all Ferdinand Porsche.

They got rid of rothschild bankers, lol.

They fixed their weak currency with a new kind of labourbacked bond. Huge infrastructure works that employed massive amounts of people (like building freeways).

And as it was infrastructure and not some "keep em busy" jobs, it was great for the economy too.

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The way currency is set up basicly is how it's possible to siphon money without too many people noticing. The reason that each time a country leader wants to set up some kind of alternate currency, like Saddam with oil euro, or ghaddafi with gold backing and why they get crushed so quickly, is because that's the prime system of control that has to be defended (not democracy or christianity or freedom).

If you wonder how wildly succesful a non-controlled currency is, look at how bitcoin, an unbacked, low liquidity, exorbitant fee currency is doing.

After the collapse of the Bretton Woods gold standard in the early 1970s, the United States struck a deal with Saudi Arabia to standardize oil prices in dollar terms. Through this deal, the petrodollar system was born, along with a shift away from pegged exchanged rates and gold-backed currencies to non-backed, floating rate regimes.

America no longer made the world's products, but it was the world's reserve currency since the energy industry ran on it. Once you are the world's reserve currency, you have to murder the absolute shit out of anyone screwing you out of your seat. America will never willingly lose the petrodollar. It will murder you if you so much as think about undermining it.

I don't think there was anything very special about the man to be honest. We tend to lend a lot of credit and blame to the person on top.

The situation was do dire, and the man so confidant. That was his charisma, he spoke about what people wanted to hear and they trusted him for it. That was it, you would be amazed what the one man in the room who empathizes with you can get you to do.

Honestly looking back I'm still surprised the communist coup failed because people would have been just as susceptable to their radical rhetoric as that of the nazi party.

Ha, no. The uprising was primarily a power struggle between the moderate Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) led by Friedrich Ebert and the radical communists of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), led by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg. The Social Democrats supported the Freikorp putting their rivals down.

Leftist always fall into the familiar pattern of intense competition among factions that appears, to an outsider, to be over ideological distinctions so small as to be invisible, thus portraying the phenomenon of the narcissism of small differences. The People's Front of Judea hates the Judean People's Front, the Campaign for a Free Galilee, and the Judean Popular Front after all.

It was the same during the Spanish Civil War. The communists tried to kill George Orwell during the whole affair, he wrote about it under his real name in Homage to Catalonia. Leftists are always infighting!

The issue is the man tried taking on the entire dammed planet. I don't know what he expected? Even under the best outcome of a fascist Britain, and a boot through the rotten structure of the USSR, Hitler probably couldn't have won. A fascist Britain wouldn't be Hitlers friend, they would be the British Empire but fascist. They'd more likely be the Japanese allies due to WW1 alliances.

Even if the H man managed to beat the USSR, keep the British off his ass, stop America from intervening and secured Europe then five or ten years down the line there would probably have been internal civil wars that would have broken the Greater Reich apart.

Or not, I don't have a time machine, maybe if Uncle Adolf managed to beat the world he could hold onto it. Doubt it though.

Mosley liked Mussolini, I imagine it would have went poorly for Hitler but maybe more for England had Italy sided with the allies.