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Did Michael Jackson Molest Children?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 46.1%
  • No

    Votes: 76 39.8%
  • He Touched Me

    Votes: 74 38.7%

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ICametoLurk

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According to (Gordon) Novel, the Jacksons believed that it was all a grand conspiracy, that the accuser’s mother was being paid by Jackson’s enemies, who wanted to take control of his major economic asset, the Sony/ATV Music catalogue, which holds publishing rights to 251 Beatles songs and works by scores of other pop artists. Jackson claimed that the main conspirators were Sony Records; its former president, Tommy Mottola; and Santa Barbara County district attorney Tom Sneddon, the prosecutor, who also investigated Jackson in 1993. The catalogue is held jointly by Jackson and Sony, and Jackson’s share is mortgaged for more than $200 million. If Jackson defaults, Sony has first chance to buy his half as early as this coming December. (A Sony spokesperson said, “We are not going to comment on any aspect of this.”)

Jackson explained to Novel that the conspirators had introduced him to Al Malnik, a wealthy Miami attorney who had once represented Meyer Lansky. Malnik later helped Jackson refinance his loans. That was not what Jackson told Novel, however. According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik’s house in Miami Beach by film director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful it would make him catatonic. He said that once he was there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to put his fingers in the singer’s business. Jackson also said he received a call from Tommy Mottola while he was there, which aroused his suspicion, but he did not tell Novel that he later put Malnik on the board of the Sony/ATV Music partnership. (Reached by telephone, Malnik scoffed at the idea of a conspiracy or of his having any Mafia ties. He said, “It does not make any sense.” Ratner confirmed that he took Jackson to Malnik’s house and that he considers Malnik a father figure.)

Jackson and Mottola have been at odds for years. In New York in July 2002, Jackson staged a public protest against Mottola with the Reverend Al Sharpton, calling him a racist and “very, very devilish.” He called for a boycott of Sony, which is believed to have contributed to Mottola’s ouster from the company six months later. Jackson is reportedly so frightened of Mottola that one of the reasons he surrounded himself with Nation of Islam guards in 2003 was that he thought Mottola could put out a hit on him. (Mottola could not be reached for comment.)

Jackson wanted Novel to find the links among these characters. Novel told me in March that “he believes he’ll get convicted. He believes the judge, the D.A., and the Sony guys are a conspiracy to take over his money.”

Jackson was also paranoid about Jews (Hollywood is full of Jews so might not be all Jews)
They suck them like leeches. They start out the most popular person in the world, make a lot of money, big house, cars and everything and end up penniless. It’s a conspiracy. The Jews do it on purpose.

To the point of well

https://nypost.com/2014/08/10/michael-jacksons-ex-maids-reveal-madness-at-neverland/
“He also kept a dartboard in the foyer of his bedroom with pictures of DreamWorks founders Steven Spielberg, David Geffen and Jeffrey Katzenberg — who he believed had stolen his idea for the studio and even its boy-on-the-moon logo.

“Any of the children he played with who hit the bull’s-eye would get extra ice cream or anything else they wanted,” said Maid No. 3, who worked from 1996 to 1999. “He hated those guys with a passion. He was surprisingly very anti-Semitic. He’d lead some of the kids in chants: ‘Kill the bastards,’ and ‘Kill the bloodsuckers.’ ”
 
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Jackson was also paranoid about Jews (Hollywood is full of Jews so might not be all Jews)


To the point of well

https://nypost.com/2014/08/10/michael-jacksons-ex-maids-reveal-madness-at-neverland/

Spielberg, Geffen, and Katzenberg are considered in the entertainment gossip circles as the kingpins of pedophilia in Hollywood btw.
 

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Jackson was also paranoid about Jews (Hollywood is full of Jews so might not be all Jews)


To the point of well

https://nypost.com/2014/08/10/michael-jacksons-ex-maids-reveal-madness-at-neverland/

So that's why Steven Spielberg turns into an ugly claymation monster on Moonwalker.


What if: Macaulay Culkin defended Michael because he was in denial from the abuse from his own father?
(Not that Michael abused him, but what if Culkin was warped because of his father.) If Michael did these things a kid like that is the perfect person to seek out because of the dysfunctional family. Same with Corey Feldman.
 

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Minds can be changed. I used to think he was innocent.

People v. Jackson (full title: 1133603: The People of the State of California v. Michael Joe Jackson) was a 2004–2005 criminal trial held in Santa Barbara County Superior Court in which American recording artist Michael Jackson was charged with molesting Gavin Arvizo, a 13-year-old boy. Jackson was indicted for four counts of molesting a minor, four counts of intoxicating a minor to molest him, one count of attempted child molestation, one count of conspiring to hold the boy and his family captive, and conspiring to commit extortion and child abduction. He pleaded not guilty to all counts. The trial spanned approximately 18 months, from Jackson's arraignment on January 16, 2004 to June 13, 2005. The jury delivered a verdict of not guilty on all charges, including four lesser misdemeanour counts.

In 2017, the documentary series The Jury Speaks (2017) covered the trial with four members of the jury.[43] Some reported receiving anonymous threats, and one said someone had loosened the wheels on her car.[43] All said they would acquit Jackson again, even in the wake of later allegations.[43] One juror said: "It was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family ... there wasn't a shred of evidence that was able to show us or give us any doubt in voting not guilty."[36]

In 2013, choreographer Wade Robson, who had testified in the trial that Jackson had not molested him, filed a $1.5 billion dollar civil lawsuit against Jackson's estate,[12] claiming Jackson had molested him over seven years when he was a child.[39] In May 2015, judge Mitchell Beckloff dismissed the lawsuit, saying Robson had waited too long to make it.[39]

In 2013, another man who had spent time with Jackson as a child, James Safechuck, filed suit with the same lawyer as Robson. Safechuck claimed he realized he had been abused when he heard Robson's allegations.[12] He alleged that he had been sexually abused by Jackson over 100 times in a four-year period, and had been "brainwashed" into believing the incidents were "acts of love".[53] The lawsuit was dismissed by a probate court in 2017.[12]

Robson and Safechuck's allegations are the focus of a 2019 documentary film, Leaving Neverland.
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Why did they change their stories?
 
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From reading into it a bit the one woman who’d know the truth is Norma Staikos, she ran everything for Micheal and did everything in her power to keep him happy, those who accuse Michael say she helped procure children and made sure the staff stayed in line, keeping strict rules and procols for staff and guests - https://www.mjfacts.com/the-dark-dark-world-of-norma-staikos/

For example in the documentary she was the one who arranged the meetings between Michael and the kids as well as arranging the first class flights, hotel and limo rides for them and their parents.

People v. Jackson (full title: 1133603: The People of the State of California v. Michael Joe Jackson) was a 2004–2005 criminal trial held in Santa Barbara County Superior Court in which American recording artist Michael Jackson was charged with molesting Gavin Arvizo, a 13-year-old boy. Jackson was indicted for four counts of molesting a minor, four counts of intoxicating a minor to molest him, one count of attempted child molestation, one count of conspiring to hold the boy and his family captive, and conspiring to commit extortion and child abduction. He pleaded not guilty to all counts. The trial spanned approximately 18 months, from Jackson's arraignment on January 16, 2004 to June 13, 2005. The jury delivered a verdict of not guilty on all charges, including four lesser misdemeanour counts.

In 2017, the documentary series The Jury Speaks (2017) covered the trial with four members of the jury.[43] Some reported receiving anonymous threats, and one said someone had loosened the wheels on her car.[43] All said they would acquit Jackson again, even in the wake of later allegations.[43] One juror said: "It was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family ... there wasn't a shred of evidence that was able to show us or give us any doubt in voting not guilty."[36]

In 2013, choreographer Wade Robson, who had testified in the trial that Jackson had not molested him, filed a $1.5 billion dollar civil lawsuit against Jackson's estate,[12] claiming Jackson had molested him over seven years when he was a child.[39] In May 2015, judge Mitchell Beckloff dismissed the lawsuit, saying Robson had waited too long to make it.[39]

In 2013, another man who had spent time with Jackson as a child, James Safechuck, filed suit with the same lawyer as Robson. Safechuck claimed he realized he had been abused when he heard Robson's allegations.[12] He alleged that he had been sexually abused by Jackson over 100 times in a four-year period, and had been "brainwashed" into believing the incidents were "acts of love".[53] The lawsuit was dismissed by a probate court in 2017.[12]

Robson and Safechuck's allegations are the focus of a 2019 documentary film, Leaving Neverland.
[54]

Why did they change their stories?
In the documentary Wade says he was keeping it a secret as he believed he and Michael were in love and had a genuine relationship and the thing that changed his mind and was when he had his first child it made him realise how naive and innocent children are and that he was taken advantage of by an adult and basically had a mental breakdown.

There were also motives for him to keep quiet, such as his career of being the choreographer for top pop acts like N-Sync and Britney Spears which would have probally affected but that isn’t mentioned in the documentary.
 
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In the documentary Wade says he was keeping it a secret as he believed he and Michael were in love and had a genuine relationship and the thing that changed his mind and was when he had his first child it made him realise how naive and innocent children are and that he was taken advantage of by an adult and basically had a mental breakdown.

There were also motives for him to keep quiet, such as his career of being the choreographer for top pop acts like N-Sync and Britney Spears which would have probally affected but that isn’t mentioned in the documentary.

So once again it comes back to allegations that have already been thrown out of court. With a case that was found not guilty. So basically, there's no convincing people is there, and there never will. They want to believe Jackson is a pedophile, it's as simple as that.

Even if today those two accusers recanted, there would still be people saying they were paid off. It's a futile discussion.
 

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They probably changed their stories because they were having issues at the time or didn't want to deal with it. That's pretty common with victims and doesn't prove anything. Or they didn't want their families to know about it. One of them actually mentions this in the documentary. Or because Michael Jackson groomed them and they still loved him, which was also said in the show.

That's what happens when a grown person grooms a person. They still feel loyal. As for "he got off in court." So did Casey Anthony and OJ and everyone knows they're guilty.
 

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I'm in the camp that believes that MJ definitely crossed some boundaries, and did creepy things with kids that would make me not want to have mine around him, but he didn't sexually assault them.
 

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They probably changed their stories because they were having issues at the time or didn't want to deal with it. That's pretty common with victims and doesn't prove anything. Or they didn't want their families to know about it. One of them actually mentions this in the documentary. Or because Michael Jackson groomed them and they still loved him, which was also said in the show.

That's what happens when a grown person grooms a person. They still feel loyal. As for "he got off in court." So did Casey Anthony and OJ and everyone knows they're guilty.
Yes, and given that they're straight men, who admittatly thought they were in a romantic relationship with a male, pop icon. I believe them.
 

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Yes, and given that they're straight men, who admittatly thought they were in a romantic relationship with a male, pop icon. I believe them.

I believe people are out of touch with what goes on with CSA victims psychologically. This is all classic CSA behavior and how young people act when they get groomed. Example: facts being given to disprove claims that were made by the victims. Except there's one thing. CSA victims don't think logically because they're mentally messed up and won't react with logic in their behavior. They'll do weird things.
 

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I believe people are out of touch with what goes on with CSA victims psychologically. This is all classic CSA behavior and how young people act when they get groomed. Example: facts being given to disprove claims that were made by the victims. Except there's one thing. CSA victims don't think logically because they're mentally messed up and won't react with logic in their behavior. They'll do weird things.
Agree, I think that most people believe that child sex abuse is like a Lifetime original film where there's a clear boundary being violated. It's never as simple as someone's creepy uncle touching someone's penis or anus. I just don't understand how people can label these two guys as liars, when they don't have established history of lying like Corey Feldman. They did lie to protect someone they loved and someone who they thought loved them, but it was only that one time. It's not uncommon for a lot of victims to lie for their abusers. Some victims even think they enjoy being molested up until a certain point in their development. Just watch Mysterious Skin to get a more accurate portrayal of what child sex abuse looks like. I think the bigger problem is, people have no empathy until something like this hits closer to home.
 

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Like anyone that grew up in the '80s, I loved the Thriller album. Off the Wall and Bad were pretty great too. I would really wish it to be true that Michael was just this innocent childlike soul like his hype would like you to believe.

But I'd have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to believe that. His behavior was so much like Jerry Sandusky, Jared Fogle, and that Jimmy Saville nonce... The way they each created these childrens' charities, surrounded themselves with kids to camouflage themselves as some sort of unassailable philanthropists... The same way pedophiles become priests or teachers.

Even after he got caught with that Jordan Chandler kid (and NO, Chandler never retracted his statements about Michael molesting him), Michael still couldn't keep away from little boys, his desire was that strong and he got caught that second time.
I just pray that Michael croaked before he could lay his hands on those two boys he adopted. Because you just know they were designed to be his next playthings.
 
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