Dietary Cultists - YOU'RE EATING YOURSELF TO DEATH

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If you've read any internet discussion with more than three replies, you've no doubt stumbled upon people who eat a certain way and are immensely passionate about it. And by "eating a certain way", they're avoiding eating like a normal omnivorous ghrelin- and leptin-controlled human being and doing weird shit. Which is fine, except the "immensely passionate" part involves uncontrolled hostile hysteria that A. other people are doing it wrong and B. they MUST be convinced that they're doing it wrong and converted.

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Exhibit A... A new zero carb follower who's given himself scurvy.

These are dietary cults. They may have some peer-reviewed evidence behind them encouraging some exploration, but as nutrition is a notoriously difficult field in establishing large randomized cohorts for study and finding any sort of significant result, they will pick and choose publications enabling their view and ignoring others.

No, the hallmark of dietary cults is hearsay and personal stories -- almost always focusing on weight loss, rather than other marks of general well-being, and really the product of the intention-to-treat principle. There are individuals who play some leadership roles in these cults: Dietitians gone rogue, nutritionists with vague and bogus qualifications, your average 100k+ follower Instagrams hawking shirts and oversaturated photos. Followers of these cults can range from the most diligent of fitness fanatics to chronically dieting Protestant moms herding around their 5 kids, but almost all of them share the common component of their capability to be obsessive and defensive of their lifestyle. (Note that this is in contrast to non-cultists, who adhere to the diet but make it their own business, and within reason.)

Dietary cults perpetuate themselves by creating insular communities where people jack off, in unison, to their adherence to the unbreakable rules and hiss about the heathens and apostates. However, they inevitably leak out of their little dens to hijack any discussion about food to make it weirdly emotionally-charged.

Paleo
The current bad boy of dietary cults. Really founded in the late 90's/early 00's by well-intentioned but ideologically stubborn people like Dr. Loren Cordain, it's gotten exponential press in the last couple of years as consequence of the "clean eating" movement. Its basic tenants are "eat like a caveman" -- which, in their eyes, involves cutting out all grains, all legumes, nightshades, probably dairy, anything "processed", and drastically reducing simple carbohydrates. In practice, Homo S. Sapiens in their early form had diets dependent on their region and we don't really have firm knowledge of what was available; whatever it was, it's likely awfully different to conventionally grown modern crops regardless.

Paleo people, for their love of cherrypicking evidence and converting the obvious conclusion from "a diet less in pasta is generally better for you" to "humans are being poisoned by bread, scientists who genetically modify crops are evil and somehow different than organic farmers doing the same thing manually, insulin is a delicate seesaw and every time you eat an mango you'll careen it off the rails like that speeding Amtrak", and so-on. In truth, Paleo takes a decent concept and ratches it up to be particularly orthorexic and anti-science.

Paleo communities include Mark's Daily Apple, Paleohacks, and /r/Paleo and every single popular baking recipe on the internet with a comment thread like "omg... this is so bad for you!" No shit, Catherine. It's cake.

Gluten-free
Gluten really is the glutelin and prolamin proteins found in the seeds of grains, particularly wheat. They're neat because they're the reason why flour exhibits elasticity when water is added to it, and why baked goods can rise. Nutritionally, gluten is a handy little additional source of protein in goods and also holds a bit of iron and calcium.

Some people legitimately exhibit an immunoresponse to gluten involving severe GI distress symptoms, which can actually be quite serious. This is called Celiac Disease.

About 0.5%-1% of the human population has Celiac Disease. Most gluten-free people are not diagnosed Celiacs. Instead, they espouse "gluten sensitivity", where they allege that very mild symptoms are alleviated by cessation of the consumption of gluten. Maybe it's because they're not eating a loaf of bread everyday, I dunno. Anyway, they blame the ails of the modern man to the consumption of gluten and are the people ruining your local baker and making their goods crumbly as hell. Naturally, all Paleo people are gluten-free.

Keto
Oh, boy. These people are something.

Let's look at KEGG, which is a great resource for examining metabolic pathways for a number of species. Here's us. You might recognize that big ol' circle as the citric acid, or Krebs cycle. It's how we synthesize energy from Acetyl-CoA. Now, you can see that human beings make Acetyl-CoA from the products of many different other metabolic processes -- glycolysis, fatty acid metabolism, amino acid degredation and even breaking down ethanol. The efficiency of glycolysis makes us favor that pathway, and as such we derive much of our energy from carbohydrates. When we don't have much glucose, we pick up those other options. We also produce glucose ourselves with gluconeogenesis, which is "essentially a reversal of glycolysis with minor variations of alternative paths" doing shit like creating fructose from oxaloacetate.

Keto involves eating so few carbohydrates -- think less than 30g a day -- that your body assumes it's perpetually fucking starved and switches into fatty acid metabolism and also breaking down the valine, leucine and isoleucine amino acids. This is known as ketosis. As you can see, you directly produce acetoacetate in the process so you smell fucking awful.

People get hooked on keto because while you drain your body of circulating carbohydrates, you lose the capability to store as much water and dehydrate (which eventually falls to a plateau). You also mess up your leptin/ghrelin signalling a bit, and fat is quite satiating -- so people allege suppressed appetite. They say it's a good thing. To some, keto can be a handy way to lean up for a competition with weight classes, or control an issue with insulin temporarily, or is a tool to be prescribed to epileptics. To many, keto is a lifestyle to be kept up until you die because all carbohydrates are poison and that any mild inflammatory response is clearly the sign of the end times.

Keto is prevalent with the Paleo crowd, but inexplicably popular with fit people (who would likely benefit the most out of anybody with a diet high in carbohydrates). Woe is anybody who is tasked for feeding one at a party.

Vegan
You know these guys. Once upon a time, vegetarians were radicals for cutting out chicken and sticking to their grassfed yogurts. Now, vegetarians are a group of mostly normal people who care a bit about animals (and that religious Indian guy you work with).

Veganism has a stronger ethical/moralistic component than other dietary cults; you'll find an existing thread here.

Raw
Absolute nutters. Expanding on the concept that "processing" is "bad", these people believe that cooking carrots makes them carcinogenic and that one achieves enlightenment by consuming goods that have never reached 115 degrees Farenheight (thus excluding anybody who has consumed produce that was on a truck passing Phoenix in summertime).

As their body lacks the capability to truly absorb the fiber-laden fruits and lettuces they gorge, the concept of calories and energy goes out the window (their assholes). Generally a front for an eating disorder, particularly considering female ones brag about losing their periods. Usually vegans but there are some brave omnivores going for it too, which actually might be more reasonable -- sans aforementioned scurvy for raw carnivores.

Others
There are a lot of other diet cults like people who fast (particularly intermittently, meaning they hate you for eating breakfast), to those who've turned a GI treatment strategy like FODMAPS into a "thing" of good vs. bad. Let's chat about the particularly egregious ones you see leak into mainstream discussion.
 
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I would add one more to that, the anti-"artificial" group. They're one of the main components along with paleo and "clean labels" but push to get rid of artificial flavors and colors on health reasons, even though studies have been done and found no real link.

All of them are bad. Keto is weird but from what I've seen keto doesn't try to start Internet slapfights or push manufacturers to change things to their way (see the "artificial" things above, they forced General Mills to change Trix but then the new cereal sold poorly).
Vegans can go fuck themselves, they do all sorts of mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they have the moral high ground for reasons above (very much like a cult), and use flawed logic to "prove" their point. They have the most Internet slapfights.
GF is full of shit, making up things like "gluten allergy" and trying to paint it as legitimately unhealthy
Paleo is also full of shit and the most legitimately anti-science and possibly anti-food. /r/paleo is probably grounds for finding a lot of wacky people that could probably get their own thread.
 

Carly Rae Jepsen

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It was a hell of a lot of fun watching the manosphere become obsessed with the paleo diet. Like it was some sort of panacea that was inseparable from 'game' and talked about it like it was a MLM. You either "got it" or you didn't, and you couldn't get it, unless you did it.

Some of the castoffs from the PUA sphere even started referring to the manosphere at one point as the "paleo-game cult"
 

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Bugaboo

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I was at the bulk barn once and a lady with two children in the line ahead of me started telling the cashier her life's story and how her two children are "allergic to gmos" and how she pulled them out of school because a teacher DARED offer her daughter a lollipop that was gmo'd as a treat

I can tolerate these people but once they start bringing children into this nonsense it's not good. You shouldn't restrict nutritious food to children because they're growing and need all the nutrients they need, vegan kids are especially bad because they need all the nutrients in meat and dairy to grow well
 

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Crazies are one thing but most of the above diets are probably good for losing weight and maintaining a healthier lifestyle in general if you don't go mental imo. I know someone who swears by Mark Sisson's stuff and lost a ton of weight + seems way healthier and more energetic, and my personal trainer is vegan and insanely fit.
Caring about your diet is sure to improve it -- nobody can say that those folks on My 600lb Life shouldn't be going onto their restrictive diet plans prior to their surgery.
Making it your whole identity is, well, another matter.

Well written, but it belongs in the Food forum
Probably! Thanks.
 

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Dave Asprey is a shyster who calls himself the "Bulletproof Executive". He came up with the idea of drinking coffee with melted butter and coconut oil mixed into it, which he calls "Bulletproof Coffee". He supposedly got the idea from Tibetan butter tea. According to him, you can't use any common, off the shelf coffee, butter, and coconut oil, you have to use his 'detoxified' $25 a pound coffee, his $65 a bottle coconut oil, and organic grass-fed butter.
 

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Tallest Irk

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Dave Asprey is a shyster who calls himself the "Bulletproof Executive". He came up with the idea of drinking coffee with melted butter and coconut oil mixed into it, which he calls "Bulletproof Coffee". He supposedly got the idea from Tibetan butter tea. According to him, you can't use any common, off the shelf coffee, butter, and coconut oil, you have to use his 'detoxified' $25 a pound coffee, his $65 a bottle coconut oil, and organic grass-fed butter.

What a scam, the only bulletproof thing about this is the probability of diarrhea you get from drinking that much fat with caffeine.


So much misinformation and people are following it (again) like sheep.
 

deconstruction burger

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Bit of a necrobump, but I can definitely see potential in a thread like this.

I remember the Weston A. Price worshippers and their big circlejerk as far back as 2011; and while I have nothing against trying to give families good nutrition, I did have an issue with the absolutely insane lengths some of these people would go and still do.

Literally putting butter in everything, went from having natural sugar to "all sugar is the cause of every known illness in history", and don't even get me started on the people who read Price's work, realize that their crooked teeth is actually a deformity, and pretty much let it control their life; so much to the point where they'll willingly dish out thousands of dollars to have their jaws widened by a few millimeters and even sticking balloons up their noses, or Neurocranial Restructuring as it's called.
 

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They've been mentioned in the vegan thread but fruitarians are an exceptional breed. The first time I heard of this lovely community was through an episode of Taboo, as it chronicled a few days in the life of Aloma and Matthew, a fruitarian couple living off-grid and out of dumpsters in the big city, speaking in tongues and smearing rancid sticky drippings on each other as they engage in a little park tantra and fight with some bells here and there.

This article by The Guardian about a fruit festival is the best thing I've read all day- here are some highlights.

"I was first introduced to fruitarianism by a close friend who crashed with me for a weekend in 2012. I opened the door and watched her roll a carry-on suitcase into the entryway, set it down, unzip it, and remove two 40oz plastic containers of red globe grapes, which she rinsed off and consumed in their entirety while standing in the middle of my kitchen. When she was done, she put the spindly grape-skeletons back in their plastic clamshells, and the clamshells back in her suitcase. She had been on a fruit-based diet for just a couple of months, but was already reporting astounding changes: an end to the stomach pains that had troubled her for years; bursting, glowy levels of energy; sharpened concentration; happiness. “I love it,” she told me. “It’s like the whole world is made of delicious, dripping sugar.” Her diet didn’t sound safe, but my friend looked well. She buzzed with intense wellbeing and her skin looked enviably great, although she took frequent naps."

"At the women’s support group that ran daily during the Woodstock fruit festival, in a large tented space out past the moist and muddying campground, an older woman in a brightly patterned head scarf and shawl was close to tears. She reminded me, distantly, of several grandmothers I have known. “I have come here,” she said in a soft Russian accent, “to talk about coffee. I miss coffee so bad here. I know it is bad for me, but it was like a friend.” The circle of seated women made quiet, sympathetic sounds as the Russian woman softly wept."

" Any bathroom shared by 14 women is bound to be busy, but in the close quarters of our female-only cabin it was hard not to be aware of the steady procession into and out of our single shared toilet. Frequent defecation is an open secret of the fruitarian lifestyle, and while leaders of the movement don’t talk much about the downsides of this, they often tout the improved quality of your poop as a perk of the diet."

"In March 2014, DurianRider posted online a 26-page document, “Gimmetruthdoc.pdf”, that focuses on Graham, who Durianrider claimed was paid an additional $70,000 (£45,000) from Michael Arnstein’s personal funds to attend the 2013 festival – a sum that would vastly overshadow the compensation of other pioneers. It also publicised his 2009 arrest for money laundering (which Graham has described as a “set-up” – all charges were subsequently dropped), and alluded to the death or hospitalisation of several people who have attended Dr. Graham’s fasting retreats, which take place in Costa Rica and can cost upwards of $13,000 (£8,300). (Graham told me via email that, to his knowledge, there have been no deaths due to complications from fasting at his retreats.) Since then, DurianRider has publicised the video testimonial of Leah Branster, who claims she nearly died at one of Graham’s retreats after she developed extreme symptoms that he discouraged her from seeking medical attention. (Graham denies this. “At the retreat, I discussed the option of medical assistance with Leah almost every day, fully giving her the freedom and support to choose such an option if she wished,” he said.)"

If something sounds a little familiar about the name DurianRider in that last paragraph, he's the former beau of Queen Internet Fruitarian- Freelee the Banana Girl. Queen Fruit has adopted YouTube Drama as a surrogate food group and spends her days offering up unsolicited vegan advice and body critiques of other YouTubers who happen to cross her feed. Her thread is a little skimpy and she came on my radar back around the time she offered to feed Eugenia Cooney some bananas, so there might be some good stuff in her recent and the online community around her as a whole.

I highly recommend watching the video of the first couple if you have a few minutes, though. It's a tour de force of exceptional thinking. Every time you think they can't possibly outdo themselves they can. And they do.
 

deconstruction burger

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They've been mentioned in the vegan thread but fruitarians are an exceptional breed. The first time I heard of this lovely community was through an episode of Taboo, as it chronicled a few days in the life of Aloma and Matthew, a fruitarian couple living off-grid and out of dumpsters in the big city, speaking in tongues and smearing rancid sticky drippings on each other as they engage in a little park tantra and fight with some bells here and there.

This article by The Guardian about a fruit festival is the best thing I've read all day- here are some highlights.

"I was first introduced to fruitarianism by a close friend who crashed with me for a weekend in 2012. I opened the door and watched her roll a carry-on suitcase into the entryway, set it down, unzip it, and remove two 40oz plastic containers of red globe grapes, which she rinsed off and consumed in their entirety while standing in the middle of my kitchen. When she was done, she put the spindly grape-skeletons back in their plastic clamshells, and the clamshells back in her suitcase. She had been on a fruit-based diet for just a couple of months, but was already reporting astounding changes: an end to the stomach pains that had troubled her for years; bursting, glowy levels of energy; sharpened concentration; happiness. “I love it,” she told me. “It’s like the whole world is made of delicious, dripping sugar.” Her diet didn’t sound safe, but my friend looked well. She buzzed with intense wellbeing and her skin looked enviably great, although she took frequent naps."

"At the women’s support group that ran daily during the Woodstock fruit festival, in a large tented space out past the moist and muddying campground, an older woman in a brightly patterned head scarf and shawl was close to tears. She reminded me, distantly, of several grandmothers I have known. “I have come here,” she said in a soft Russian accent, “to talk about coffee. I miss coffee so bad here. I know it is bad for me, but it was like a friend.” The circle of seated women made quiet, sympathetic sounds as the Russian woman softly wept."

" Any bathroom shared by 14 women is bound to be busy, but in the close quarters of our female-only cabin it was hard not to be aware of the steady procession into and out of our single shared toilet. Frequent defecation is an open secret of the fruitarian lifestyle, and while leaders of the movement don’t talk much about the downsides of this, they often tout the improved quality of your poop as a perk of the diet."

"In March 2014, DurianRider posted online a 26-page document, “Gimmetruthdoc.pdf”, that focuses on Graham, who Durianrider claimed was paid an additional $70,000 (£45,000) from Michael Arnstein’s personal funds to attend the 2013 festival – a sum that would vastly overshadow the compensation of other pioneers. It also publicised his 2009 arrest for money laundering (which Graham has described as a “set-up” – all charges were subsequently dropped), and alluded to the death or hospitalisation of several people who have attended Dr. Graham’s fasting retreats, which take place in Costa Rica and can cost upwards of $13,000 (£8,300). (Graham told me via email that, to his knowledge, there have been no deaths due to complications from fasting at his retreats.) Since then, DurianRider has publicised the video testimonial of Leah Branster, who claims she nearly died at one of Graham’s retreats after she developed extreme symptoms that he discouraged her from seeking medical attention. (Graham denies this. “At the retreat, I discussed the option of medical assistance with Leah almost every day, fully giving her the freedom and support to choose such an option if she wished,” he said.)"

If something sounds a little familiar about the name DurianRider in that last paragraph, he's the former beau of Queen Internet Fruitarian- Freelee the Banana Girl. Queen Fruit has adopted YouTube Drama as a surrogate food group and spends her days offering up unsolicited vegan advice and body critiques of other YouTubers who happen to cross her feed. Her thread is a little skimpy and she came on my radar back around the time she offered to feed Eugenia Cooney some bananas, so there might be some good stuff in her recent and the online community around her as a whole.

I highly recommend watching the video of the first couple if you have a few minutes, though. It's a tour de force of exceptional thinking. Every time you think they can't possibly outdo themselves they can. And they do.
My first experience with viewing DurianRider is still vivid in my mind...

I can feel the beetus already :cryblood:
 

Titty Figurine

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DurianRider is the gift that keeps on giving. I like how at about 9:20 in on that he throws out how Freelee used to be fat until his magic pulsing "Banana Mylk" beetus juice cured her right up.

I feel like he would have to acknowledge that his blood sugar is organic to any medical professional he encounters.
 

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Keto people are weird, they're not crazy as the way vegans are crazy but they are very culty indeed.
There are chicks doing keto who are gonna do it till they die, I question the long term effects it has on your body for like years of doing it. Also if doctors tell them not to do keto they're still like fuck you I'm doing keto even more just to spite you
 

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