Discourse is dead forever and whoever is the funniest will win the future

DrunkJoe

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Well we literally raised a generation based entirely on fees fees and it shows. Too many people are way too fucking emotionally fragile and are just what my grandpa would call fucking pussies. Between low effort skeptics and the sjw cabal it is just 2 sides of an emotionially unstable coin. Thing is right now the sjws are acting like the old moral fags did and are loosing the counter culture movement that got them into prominence. The left lost its humor.
 

Leonard Helplessness

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Dude as much of a shit show the debates on TV are, they aren't that different than back in the day. Thomas Jefferson legit called his opponent a “a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, not the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.” and claimed he was in league with the King of England. Nothing has really changed in our political discourse..we just get to see the shit show live on tv now.

I would disagree on this at least a little bit. The format used to be designed to rely slightly less on gotcha moments. The Lincoln-Douglas debate, for instance, went as follows:

Wikipedia said:
Each debate lasted 3 hours. The format was that one candidate spoke for 60 minutes, then the other candidate spoke for 90 minutes, and then the first candidate was allowed a 30-minute rejoinder. The candidates alternated speaking first. As the incumbent, Douglas spoke first in four of the debates.

I tried to read a little bit of the debates once; they turned me near-comatose. And I've read IRS publications end to end.

Granted, Lincoln's age did still have gotcha moments as well as fans of gotcha moments. John Wilkes Booth, for instance, timed his legendary gunshot to coincide with a very specific line of the play that Abraham Lincoln was attending: "Well, I guess I know enough to turn you inside out, old gal; you sockdologizing old man-trap!"
 

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Political debates are bad because they're all full of shit and speaking to a general American audience that barely exists.
People want a political system in which they're an active participant & a vibrant Government that is quicker to evolve. We could have fully driverless cars right now if there was infrastructure (i.e. sensors) in place for it. We could also have flying cars if there were sensors to assist and prevent accidents.
Instead, neither is going to come any time soon.

It isn't that intellectualism is dead, it's that there aren't enough outlets for it.
More than anything, I think the masses want community. The good thing is that community & progress & intellectualism all grow hand in hand. One invariably seeps into the other.
 

Lemmingwise

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So what you're saying is that the people who will be ruling people's opinions and understanding in this clown world will be.... clowns.
 

He Who Points And Laughs

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Some power leveling ahead.

I am a classic liberal in the sense that the Enlightenment concepts I find to be near perfect. John Stuart Mill's On Liberty is the most rational political argument I have ever read. The US Constitution, with a few problematic sections, is a superb document., The closest political ideology in the USA I could identify with would be the libertarians. However, I am pragmatic.

If there is a solution which solves a problem better and cheaper, I will go with that. Japan has a health system with covers everyone cheaply. If you want better care above that, you can pay. While Soviet Canukistan, the UK. and all other popularly quoted examples of "socialized medicine" seem like disasters to me, Japan's system is rational.

So, I am not so deeply married to any "side" when it comes to policy. That which works best should win. BUT... The ability to point and laugh at morons doing stupid shit is paramount. The one thing I will never waver on is freeze peach.

Sargon is so far up his own ass he can describe the texture of each turd. Watch his interview on the Joe Rogan podcast.

For the right, Tucker & Gutfeld are the best advocates in the media. On the left, Jimmy Dore is a good advocate. These people are all funny. They can laugh at themselves. Sargon seems like he would have an aneurysm if he tried.


Homer Simpson was right, be more funny.
 

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Sorry for the Necro: I only found this when Ghost of Null whispered out from the past.

But I couldn't help but find something oddly familiar about the OP. After scratching a hole through my chin, I finally remembered where I'd heard it before!

 

Rupert Bear

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I remember how back in 2015 everyone saw imageboards as these evil places where everyone would go out of their way to hurt your feefees and serious discussion was basically a lost cause.

Now this idea of 4chan is basically the entire internet. Twitter and pretty much any sites with an upvote system are a hellhole of anger where relentless mockery is acceptable. Strawmanning the shit out of your opponent is extremely encouraged by Likes and you will never be called out for it unless you use the no-no racist words.
Oh, and yeah, having " || BLM" at the end of your name also makes you immune to criticism. God forbid you ever employ mockery in your own as a defense because then you will be reported and your account will be automatically nuked.
It's all so tiresome
 
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Samson Pumpkin Jr.

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There's no such thing as the pendulum. I can tell you the future because the future already happened. Weimar Germany, Spanish civil war, Dreyfus affair, and the Boulanger affair all happened and are strikingly similar to our own situation today. The reason you're wrong is because you're thinking outside the box. Don't think of new theories about how things will play out because humans nature never changes.

The right isn't gaining traction because they're funny, the reality is they're not gaining any traction at all. What's funny is that people legitimately think that there's a pendulum and it swings from left to right. They know that because that's what's been happening for the past 70 years, right? I don't have to tell you that there was no reactionary uprising in the 70s or 90s do I? So long as there's food and entertainment the pendulum will swing leftwards forever
 

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There's no such thing as the pendulum. I can tell you the future because the future already happened. Weimar Germany, Spanish civil war, Dreyfus affair, and the Boulanger affair all happened and are strikingly similar to our own situation today. The reason you're wrong is because you're thinking outside the box. Don't think of new theories about how things will play out because humans nature never changes.

The right isn't gaining traction because they're funny, the reality is they're not gaining any traction at all. What's funny is that people legitimately think that there's a pendulum and it swings from left to right. They know that because that's what's been happening for the past 70 years, right? I don't have to tell you that there was no reactionary uprising in the 70s or 90s do I? So long as there's food and entertainment the pendulum will swing leftwards forever

The pendulum effect very much is a thing, but it's mostly seen in American politics and culture

There was a reactionary uprising and backlash against the New Left of the 60's and 70's, it was called the Religious Right and their heyday was in the 80's and 90's and they lingered into the first half of the 2000's

The dreaded neocons couldn't get as far as they did if they didn't piggyback off the Religious Right in the 80's during Reagan's first term, and in exchange, the neocons kept the fundies relevant and active politically a lot longer than they would've been without it.

It wasn't until the late 2000's when Bush's screwups became too big to ignore and the Great Recession was beginning in earnest that the Religious Right was fully put out to pasture for good by the neocons
 

naught sock account 1

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I remember how back in 2015 everyone saw imageboards as these evil places where everyone would go out of their way to hurt your feefees and serious discussion was basically a lost cause.

Now this idea of 4chan is basically the entire internet. Twitter and pretty much any sites with an upvote system are a hellhole of anger where relentless mockery is acceptable. Strawmanning the shit out of your opponent is extremely encouraged by Likes and you will never be called out for it unless you use the no-no racist words.
Oh, and yeah, having " || BLM" at the end of your name also makes you immune to criticism. God forbid you ever employ mockery in your own as a defense because then you will be reported and your account will be automatically nuked.
It's all so tiresome
and it's magnificent...
death to nuance...
 

Penis Drager

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So an alt-righter walks into a bar and the bartender says... GTFO
Then a socialist walks into a bar and the bartender says... oh hell no
After that, an ancap walks into a bar and the bartender says... shut up and go away
Finally, a centrist walks into the bar and the bartender says... nope
And then everyone else was happy: shooting the shit, enjoying their escape from the grind, and just being normal human beings not wanting to deal with the shit they deal with everywhere else.
the end :)
 

Samson Pumpkin Jr.

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The pendulum effect very much is a thing, but it's mostly seen in American politics and culture

There was a reactionary uprising and backlash against the New Left of the 60's and 70's, it was called the Religious Right and their heyday was in the 80's and 90's and they lingered into the first half of the 2000's

The dreaded neocons couldn't get as far as they did if they didn't piggyback off the Religious Right in the 80's during Reagan's first term, and in exchange, the neocons kept the fundies relevant and active politically a lot longer than they would've been without it.

It wasn't until the late 2000's when Bush's screwups became too big to ignore and the Great Recession was beginning in earnest that the Religious Right was fully put out to pasture for good by the neocons
Nice try, but that was a dying power structure throwing its last punches. In order for the pendulum to truly swing you need the young to become right wing, otherwise there's basically no long term affect at all. Millennials who grew up during the satanic panic are now atheist.
 

Lemmingwise

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Saul Alinsky wrote in Rules for Radicals that tactics for change should always be fun. If it's not fun, then what's the point?
His point wasn't that fun was the goal, his point was that when it's fun it works better, because it's more attractive to follow.

This is an important distinction.
 

Irritable Bowel Syndrome

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Lol no, the one who will win in the future is the one who is both willing and able to. Aside from most right-wingers being cucks, it's also well-documented that most of them are less intelligent, so even if they're willing, they aren't able to. The most extreme examples are tards like Dylan Roof, who are willing, but their typical conservative subhuman levels of intelligence make them resort to senseless violence.
As for the ones who are able to but not willing? I'm not sure, even if the GOP didn't cuck out all the time it's probably too late to do anything, decades of idiotic and delusional conservative ideology and dunning-krugers has made it impossible for the right to ever fight back in any meaningful way.