Discussion Regarding Plots and Their Origins - Nothing is new under the sun, but that's okay

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Similar to the Motif Index, there are many similar plots that have been repeated over time, that arise from old stories. Where current media (that I would describe as within the past century at the very least) contains allusions to old fairy tales and myths.


For instance, the 2001 movie Moulin Rouge! is heavily drawn from the myth of Orpheus and Eurydice. A music man tries to save his lover from the underworld, but sadly fails.
Another example is how Frankenstein was made by Shelley to be the modern-day Prometheus story, and Jurassic Park (the novel by Crichton) an even more modern version of it.


I created this thread because I wanted to have a discussion about media and where it draws inspiration from. I want to emphasize that this isn't meant to be a complaint; in fact, I find that knowing when a piece of work is inspired by something like a fairy tale or myth makes it more interesting and all the better for it.

We can also talk about plots, and wonder where they originated from.
 

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I made the thread because I had a question. There is a common romantic drama plotline that I frequently see (and enjoy), but I wanted to know where it originated from.

Boy meets girl.
Boy is on one side of a war, and the girl on the other.
The girl infiltrates the boy's side, pretending to either surrender or that she is not on the enemy's side.
While they are together, they fall in love.
The boy learns that the girl was deceiving him the entire time, and that she was actually the enemy. It's important to note that as she fell in love with him, she began to feel guilty about working against him.
Due to the betrayal, the two split and part ways.
Eventually the two reconcile and have a happy ending, or never come back if it's a sad ending.

I think it'd be similar to the story of Esther and King Xerxes, if Esther put herself in the position to be his bride to be able to stop his persecution of Jews, but fell in love with him in the end.

You mean like archetypes? or myths that seem to be retold throughout time and different cultures?

Not really. Archetypes seem to be a bit too broad, as that seems to be in the vein of the Motif Index.

I was thinking more like how many enemies-to-lovers stories predicate on a "Beauty and the Beast" theme. Or how Star Wars: The Force Awakens (please excuse my autism) is an almost beat for beat retelling of the story of Hades and Persephone. Things of that nature, where they have the same elements/plot beats, but using different frameworks.
 
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The film is set in 1937 rural Mississippi during the Great Depression. Its story is a modern satire loosely based on Homer's epic Greek poem The Odyssey that incorporates mythology from the American South. The title of the film is a reference to the Preston Sturges 1941 film Sullivan's Travels, in which the protagonist is a director who wants to film O Brother, Where Art Thou?, a fictional book about the Great Depression.
 

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I was expecting a graph joke. I am disappointed.
i have a graph on narratives no joke though... :(
man vs nature
man vs society
man vs machine
man vs man
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Boy meets girl.
Boy is on one side of a war, and the girl on the other.
The girl infiltrates the boy's side, pretending to either surrender or that she is not on the enemy's side.
While they are together, they fall in love.
The boy learns that the girl was deceiving him the entire time, and that she was actually the enemy.
This goes back at least to ancient India:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrapali#Amrapali_and_Bimbisara
Except it's the man who ends up in the woman's home incognito.
The 1966 movie (which I recommend) substitutes Bimbisara's son Ajatasatru as the male protagonist.
 

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