Disney's Cruella - because we need sympathize with the animal abuser

[Morethanabitfoolish]

A Yzma backstory movie would be pretty dope though. She’s such a great character and that pseudo-Inca setting is great too.

Yeah, but I don’t trust Disney to do it the way that would be interesting.

You're both right and it's part of what's so annoying with the current status quo and why we're not going to see changes any time soon. Even with good material and character potential the current risk averse environment which panders to demographics pricklier than a porcupine orgy means we're not getting anything fun enough.
Same way as when I see people whining that we're not getting movies about non-European or Chinese/Japanese mythology. That's because at the moment film makers look at that and go "er think I'll take a risk on something else."

I got some

• Prince John was abused by his older brother and treated like a peasant despite being royality.

Bit too close to historical accuracy. Not only did their mother prefer Richard (justifiably) John literally stayed home raising money while Richard was spending it abroad because "Pope says we need more dead heathens!"

 

[Jeff Boomhauer]

Sid from Toy Story's shitty movie backstory: He didn't get the toys he wanted for his birthday when he was 3.

I think today's consoomers would eat that shit up.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

A Yzma backstory movie would be pretty dope though. She’s such a great character and that pseudo-Inca setting is great too.

According to "Snuff Out the Light" of Kingdom of the Sun, her father was a mortician and who might've been a magician. That's what got her obsessed with eternal beauty because he made the dead look good and she wanted that.

But oops, she actually looked up to her father. Can't have a strong independent womyn idolize the patriarchy.

 

[Plague Dog]

According to "Snuff Out the Light" of Kingdom of the Sun, her father was a mortician and who might've been a magician. That's what got her obsessed with eternal beauty because he made the dead look good and she wanted that.

But oops, she actually looked up to her father. Can't have a strong independent womyn idolize the patriarchy.

https://youtu.be/qAt9ovvKgCU

I will never not post this when I have the chance.

 

[Toolbox]

How are people shocked that they went this route? It was never going to be like the Joker. Audiences do not respond well to movies with actual villainous women

This is the type of people this movie is for
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"Inspire"
"Wholesome"
"Accessible"

These people also complain endlessly about gatekeeping but get "inspiration" from this disasterpiece. The best argument for gatekeeping is the people most vehemently against the concept.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The movie will live on due to memes, which is the best it can hope for, honestly.

Wait, 2016?!

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

She is an evil bitch. That's how the movie ends.

No, she's aesthetically an evil bitch. She doesn't actually become a villain in the end, she's still the hero, she just enjoys the villain branding. Like the entire final act assuring Jasper she's not a murderer and wouldn't hurt Dogs while staying true to her new family, with the mid-credits being a generous moment of her sending a puppy other friend and... That guy who she met for a second and had no lasting impression on. Why does she send Roger a puppy?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Why does she send Roger a puppy?

Because we needed her to be responsible for Pongo and Perdy and to make te “Cruella” song a HashtagGIRLBOSS tribute instead of a song about what an evil ugly villain she is.

It’s like that weird animated Beauty and the Beast short they made for Epcot after the live action film came out where “the now first ever gay character” Lafoof was secretly behind all the good things happening in the original.

Not an exaggeration, btw

 

[Truthboi]

Because we needed her to be responsible for Pongo and Perdy and to make te “Cruella” song a HashtagGIRLBOSS tribute instead of a song about what an evil ugly villain she is.

It’s like that weird animated Beauty and the Beast short they made for Epcot after the live action film came out where “the now first ever gay character” Lafoof was secretly behind all the good things happening in the original.

Not an exaggeration, btw

That is so dumb since wasn't he spending most of the film basically helping in all of the evil shit Gaston in the original movie (especially the plan to lock away Belle's father just so Gaston could get laid). These people really put an agenda first instead of thinking of how to tell a good story.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

That is so dumb since wasn't he spending most of the film basically helping in all of the evil shit Gaston in the original movie (especially the plan to lock away Belle's father just so Gaston could get laid). These people really put an agenda first instead of thinking of how to tell a good story.

Yes, but his an “openly gay man” who’s not evil now according to the live action.

Speaking of Gaston…

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

A Black Adder-esque Disney movie about a villain sounds fun tho. But no tragic backstory, but also no edgy dark bullshit. For example a young Jafar or Ursula on their way to become a powerful sorcerer/witch but most of their plans fail because of their own arrogance & dumb henchmen.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

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Zapped to the Extreme.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

A Black Adder-esque Disney movie about a villain sounds fun tho. But no tragic backstory, but also no edgy dark bullshit. For example a young Jafar or Ursula on their way to become a powerful sorcerer/witch but most of their plans fail because of their own arrogance & dumb henchmen.

Wouldn't Jafar's story basically be Blackadder the Third?

 

[HumanHive]

A Black Adder-esque Disney movie about a villain sounds fun tho. But no tragic backstory, but also no edgy dark bullshit. For example a young Jafar or Ursula on their way to become a powerful sorcerer/witch but most of their plans fail because of their own arrogance & dumb henchmen.

Jafar already has a play with a dumb tragic backstory.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It's one of the main plot elements of the film. If there's nobody whose done her wrong, then who is she supposed to take revenge on? Where's the mystery behind her mother's death if her mother never died? And who said it isn't a factor in her behaviour? She's always had the bad side. But that doesn't mean nothing in the story affects what she does.

Kinda overkill isn't it? Ocean's Eleven had the heroes steal from the guy because he fucked the protagonist's ex. There's a good reason people mock the movie.

Then you must have hated the original 101 Dalmations film because your objection to the idea of a "baddie" in a kids movie would be even more enflamed. She has no backstory at all in that, iirc. Indeed, I think you must not like any Disney movie that has an overt bad guy because hardly any of them present a notion of "the villain is not inherently bad, kids. This has happened to him". Frolo, Facile, Maleficient, the Evil Queen and so on. They're lustful or lazy or spiteful or jealous. I can't believe that you watched Hercules and fumed through it saying "But Hades must have a reason to act like that. The idea of inherent evil offends me". So I think you're arguing for the sake of it. And if you really did react that way to old Disney movies then honestly, I don't know what you expected from Cruella

Like I said before, I prefer to have a straight baddy in a children's film than some relativistic moral bullshit. But the big difference is:
1. No fucking way this is a children's film.
2. When the point of the film is the "story of the villain", then having him be half-baked is inexcusable.

 

[Articles and Nudes]

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Arther Fleck being an unsuccessful stand up comedian was the point, though.

 

[Overly Serious]

why are you using light mode

To trigger the few remaining people my defending this movie hasn't triggered.

No, she's aesthetically an evil bitch. She doesn't actually become a villain in the end, she's still the hero,

An explicit element of the movie is that she has two personalities, one good, one bad. And

Spoiler

at the end the good personality is buried in a coffin at an actual funeral.

Kinda overkill isn't it? Ocean's Eleven had the heroes steal from the guy because he fucked the protagonist's ex.

Not really. I mean, firstly it's a prequel movie to 101 Dalmations. If someone falling off a cliff in a Disney movie lacks enough nuance for you, you're really nitpicking now to a crazy degree. The whole film is larger than life. You'll be discussing the lack of realism of twelve year olds doing a roof-top chase, next. "But... they should be showing more fear. A twelve year old wouldn't really run across a rooftop." Disney movie. Fun. Exaggeration.

Like I said before, I prefer to have a straight baddy in a children's film than some relativistic moral bullshit. But the big difference is:
1. No fucking way this is a children's film.

Zero sexual content, zero bad language, non-graphic violence, eye-patch wearing dogs opening doors and scrappy kids running from policemen. I mean, it's not directed at little kids, it's a family film. But you're just inventing things now to try and stick to your point.

2. When the point of the film is the "story of the villain", then having him be half-baked is inexcusable.

???

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

To trigger the few remaining people my defending this movie hasn't triggered.



An explicit element of the movie is that she has two personalities, one good, one bad. And

Spoiler

at the end the good personality is buried in a coffin at an actual funeral.

Not really. I mean, firstly it's a prequel movie to 101 Dalmations. If someone falling off a cliff in a Disney movie lacks enough nuance for you, you're really nitpicking now to a crazy degree. The whole film is larger than life. You'll be discussing the lack of realism of twelve year olds doing a roof-top chase, next. "But... they should be showing more fear. A twelve year old wouldn't really run across a rooftop." Disney movie. Fun. Exaggeration.

Zero sexual content, zero bad language, non-graphic violence, eye-patch wearing dogs opening doors and scrappy kids running from policemen. I mean, it's not directed at little kids, it's a family film. But you're just inventing things now to try and stick to your point.


???

I really feel like you’re trying way too hard here, man. You’re not gonna convince anyone already mocking the movie to not mock it. Best to just give it up as a lost cause. You can still enjoy the movie yourself, but we’re still gonna make fun of it, even if you think it’s for unfair reasons.

We’re not triggered, we’re not mad, we find it ridiculous. You’re the only one who seems legitimately upset by it.