Dlive / Charles Wayn & Justin Sun / Lino / Lemons / Chinese Crypto Mafia - General discussion of Dlive's infrastructure, shady business, and Cryptoshekelz.

[PhoBingas]

Serious question from those who have done a deep dive. Does any of these large amounts of money moving around look like money laundering?

I have always thought it was shady how the monetary system works. The most notable is how the donated lemons and then the final amount can be drastically different. Even after Dlive has supposedly taken their cut.

The system seems like it can frought with fraud and the new system they are talking about offering seems as a way to offer snuff porn and other illegal videos to a viewer base and to make cash off it.

I've had some tinfoil hat theories about Dlive shuffling money around and botting people's channels to make the platform look bigger than it actually is. If someone who is thinking of jumping ship to their platform, the uninitiated might think: "Oh, this dlive site is cool! Look how many viewers nobodies get... and look at all of those donations."

The whole Lino/tron/lemons system has always confused me a little. From what I've been told, lemons are like 0.012 cents per lemon, with them taking a 25% cut, so it would be more like 0.009 cents per lemon after Dlive takes their share. I've been told that when cashing out, you've gotta do all sorts of stuff like scan your passport or other ID, and when cashing out, lemons are worth closer to like 0.006 cents per lemon.

If anyone has personal experience or some handy, dandy datasets, feel free to correct me, just going by what I've been told by a few people.

 

[Ol' Slag]

I've had some tinfoil hat theories about Dlive shuffling money around and botting people's channels to make the platform look bigger than it actually is. If someone who is thinking of jumping ship to their platform, the uninitiated might think: "Oh, this dlive site is cool! Look how many viewers nobodies get... and look at all of those donations."

The whole Lino/tron/lemons system has always confused me a little. From what I've been told, lemons are like 0.012 cents per lemon, with them taking a 25% cut, so it would be more like 0.009 cents per lemon after Dlive takes their share. I've been told that when cashing out, you've gotta do all sorts of stuff like scan your passport or other ID, and when cashing out, lemons are worth closer to like 0.006 cents per lemon.

If anyone has personal experience or some handy, dandy datasets, feel free to correct me, just going by what I've been told by a few people.

What I think will be interesting is the new program announced where it is not censored at all.

I wonder if they are trying to get into the snuff/cp scene and make money off of it and when someone gets caught, say "We had no idea".

 

[Roman Gunt Guard]

Related to dlive , anyone know who the Partner or Global Partner that got "btfo" globally banned from the site?

 

[Mr. Manchester]

Serious question from those who have done a deep dive. Does any of these large amounts of money moving around look like money laundering?

I have always thought it was shady how the monetary system works. The most notable is how the donated lemons and then the final amount can be drastically different. Even after Dlive has supposedly taken their cut.

The system seems like it can frought with fraud and the new system they are talking about offering seems as a way to offer snuff porn and other illegal videos to a viewer base and to make cash off it.

Makes you think about that T-Based guy doesn't it? I'm no mobster or anything but if I wanted to legally obtain money for illegal services an online platform is how I would report my income these days. Feds can't even come to my place of business to check and see if there's customers or not, because DLive inflates viewer numbers.

In fact, viewer numbers are extremely easy to fake on DLive. They count them by the tab that's open. If you go to some video game channel with 10 viewers right now, and pop open like 20 tabs you'll triple that dudes numbers. Now that I think of it... it is Christmas...

 

[Ralphamale]

Related to dlive , anyone know who the Partner or Global Partner that got "btfo" globally banned from the site?

That would be Britbong. He used to go by Mr BTFO on the site and got into some sperg out that wound up getting it globally banned. Randbot himself is actually personally responsible for the global filters that Dlive now uses. One night after he got banned went and made accounts named 92dollars/93dollars (The amount dlive owed him) where he was reading the wikipedia article for alternative words for nigger. Favorite Dlive stream by far.

 

[4str4staleatherbelt]

I've tested the "open 20 tabs and you get 20 viewers" in the old thread and it's wrong.

 

[PhoBingas]

Makes you think about that T-Based guy doesn't it? I'm no mobster or anything but if I wanted to legally obtain money for illegal services an online platform is how I would report my income these days. Feds can't even come to my place of business to check and see if there's customers or not, because DLive inflates viewer numbers.

In fact, viewer numbers are extremely easy to fake on DLive. They count them by the tab that's open. If you go to some video game channel with 10 viewers right now, and pop open like 20 tabs you'll triple that dudes numbers. Now that I think of it... it is Christmas...

They HAVE to be incognito tabs for whatever reason. I've tested it out with both non incognito and incognito tabs in Brave. Haven't used any other browsers.
My Tbased hot-take is that he's one of the Turkish high-up's sons or nephews or something, someone that MIGHT have some basic bitch desk job there or just an allowance in lemons to dump around to inflate the numbers.

The more I think about it, it would be hard to clean drug money through Dlive. I mean you could buy prepaid credit cards or amazon gift cards... IIRC you can buy lemons with your amazon account on the site. It just seems like too much to lose 25% or more when buying lemons and cashing out, but whoever is doing the laundering might be willing to take that hit because it is nearly no-risk.

 

[TriggerMeElmo]

They HAVE to be incognito tabs for whatever reason. I've tested it out with both non incognito and incognito tabs in Brave. Haven't used any other browsers.
My Tbased hot-take is that he's one of the Turkish high-up's sons or nephews or something, someone that MIGHT have some basic bitch desk job there or just an allowance in lemons to dump around to inflate the numbers.

The more I think about it, it would be hard to clean drug money through Dlive. I mean you could buy prepaid credit cards or amazon gift cards... IIRC you can buy lemons with your amazon account on the site. It just seems like too much to lose 25% or more when buying lemons and cashing out, but whoever is doing the laundering might be willing to take that hit because it is nearly no-risk.

Well I didn't bother looking into it, but we can rule out that he's not another streamer, yes? Or for that matter a kid with a runaway stolen credit card. I'll stick to the theory he's a Turk inside the company but the question remains: why Ralph of all people?

 

[PhoBingas]

Well I didn't bother looking into it, but we can rule out that he's not another streamer, yes? Or for that matter a kid with a runaway stolen credit card. I'll stick to the theory he's a Turk inside the company but the question remains: why Ralph of all people?

IIRC someone in the main thread said he was donating a bunch to other streamers too... Maybe Nick Fuentes, I'm not sure. Unless there's a way to pull his account and see who all he's paypiged, but I doubt Dlive would post that publicly.

It might have been stolen cards though, because I remember a lot of bitching in chat the following days about "vanishing subs". Chat seem to think Dlive conned them out of it, but if the card was reported stolen and had the last couple transactions undone, the subs might have been rescinded. Come to think of it, I haven't seen Tbased in chat since the donation, so if it was CC fraud, he might have gotten scooped.


Why is everything that happens on Dlive so sketchy? Maybe I just need to lay off the dabs, but the more I look into Dlive, the more I can't help but feel something isn't on the up and up.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

IIRC someone in the main thread said he was donating a bunch to other streamers too... Maybe Nick Fuentes, I'm not sure. Unless there's a way to pull his account and see who all he's paypiged, but I doubt Dlive would post that publicly.

It might have been stolen cards though, because I remember a lot of bitching in chat the following days about "vanishing subs". Chat seem to think Dlive conned them out of it, but if the card was reported stolen and had the last couple transactions undone, the subs might have been rescinded. Come to think of it, I haven't seen Tbased in chat since the donation, so if it was CC fraud, he might have gotten scooped.


Why is everything that happens on Dlive so sketchy? Maybe I just need to lay off the dabs, but the more I look into Dlive, the more I can't help but feel something isn't on the up and up.

Its definitely weird, that dude gave Ralph a ton of money during his baby's day out and i want to say fuentes and a couple of other tard-right guys too. You dont throw that kind of money around for no reason.

I do love a good mystery though.

 

[Roman Gunt Guard]

That would be Britbong. He used to go by Mr BTFO on the site and got into some sperg out that wound up getting it globally banned. Randbot himself is actually personally responsible for the global filters that Dlive now uses. One night after he got banned went and made accounts named 92dollars/93dollars (The amount dlive owed him) where he was reading the wikipedia article for alternative words for nigger. Favorite Dlive stream by far.

Thank you very much!

 

[PhoBingas]

Its definitely weird, that dude gave Ralph a ton of money during his baby's day out and i want to say fuentes and a couple of other tard-right guys too. You dont throw that kind of money around for no reason.

I do love a good mystery though.

I can't wait for the tell-all documentary we get two years from now.
Now, has there been rumblings of other people losing subs on channels Tbased donated to?
And I'm also not ruling out the fact the website is so slow, resource heavy and broken at times that some back end fuckup meant that either a) people thought there were still subs left, grabbed them, and got a confirmation message when there were in fact no subs left to grab or b) some hiccup causing the sub to not go through.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think Dlive is gearing up for their own lemon heist. Cashing out everyone's crypto, shuttering and scattering to the four winds in countries that don't have EU / US extradition treaties.

 

[tantric_depressive]

My Tbased hot-take is that he's one of the Turkish high-up's sons or nephews or something, someone that MIGHT have some basic bitch desk job there or just an allowance in lemons to dump around to inflate the numbers.

The more I think about it, it would be hard to clean drug money through Dlive. I mean you could buy prepaid credit cards or amazon gift cards... IIRC you can buy lemons with your amazon account on the site. It just seems like too much to lose 25% or more when buying lemons and cashing out, but whoever is doing the laundering might be willing to take that hit because it is nearly no-risk.

I think it may not just be for laundering purposes, but also investment into other types of fuckery they have going on that we'll probably never know the truth of.
I'm in agreement with @Mr. Manchester. If I was an organised crime member, I'd be looking for all types of new niche platforms that could be used as frontiers for further illegal profit. Crypto currencies and social media platforms that implement them seem like the ideal online ecosystem for sleazy conmen and tech-literate career-criminals imho

From the CEO's instagram, he seems to be pretty normal and active with some average normie hobbies. Really wonder why he decided to run an autistic site for wignats and import roaches to do work. They even have meetings in Turkey.

Remember that when it comes to Instagram, people's profiles often just represent the way they wish others to perceive them, instead of the actual reality of what/who they are

Serious question from those who have done a deep dive. Does any of these large amounts of money moving around look like money laundering?

I have always thought it was shady how the monetary system works. The most notable is how the donated lemons and then the final amount can be drastically different. Even after Dlive has supposedly taken their cut.

The system seems like it can frought with fraud and the new system they are talking about offering seems as a way to offer snuff porn and other illegal videos to a viewer base and to make cash off it.

Yeah, it was originally OnlyFans that made me start thinking like this about a lot of these platforms. How did it all of a sudden change from nobody being willing to pay for porn and major companies having to close cuz of it, to random hookers with a single profile raking in enough $ to retire overnight? Did a generation of $uckers all start using the internet at the same time?

 

[longtimelurkerfirsttimepo]

Yeah, it was originally OnlyFans that made me start thinking like this about a lot of these platforms. How did it all of a sudden change from nobody being willing to pay for porn and major companies having to close cuz of it, to random hookers with a single profile raking in enough $ to retire overnight? Did a generation of $uckers all start using the internet at the same time?

When it comes to OnlyFans, I suspect that a lot of it is due to the perceived emotional connection that the people sub-human simps have with the models. It's well known that celebs and e-celebs alike have fans that believe on some level that they are friends, or at least have some kind of connection with the celebs, and I think that that's got a lot to do with it. It was after-all a celebrity that caused OnlyFans to implement a transaction limit because the sub-human simps got mad after already giving her $2 million. Bella Delphine/(Mary-Belle Kirschner?) has said that she has is making ~$1 million a month as well joining onlyfans after grooming her audience with a personality.

Nobody wants to watch a new piece of meat get fucked each week, they want to watch their e-friends who they have some emotional attachment to get fucked. So yes, a new generation of suckers was born and christ it's ugly.

2d was once greater than 3d for this exact reason, but alas no longer.

Edit for formatting.

 

[AltisticRight]

I've tested the "open 20 tabs and you get 20 viewers" in the old thread and it's wrong.

They HAVE to be incognito tabs for whatever reason.

I think it's not Dlive intentionally fucking around then, I'll issue a correction later, and append the social media links to the top post.

Many porn sites on Chinanet requires the user to "invite 10 people onto the site" using some sort of special affiliate link. This is illegal of course, and people have been reprimanded over running porn sites.

Spoiler: CPC did nothing wrong

Freedom of speech or whatever, the content is never verified and CP gets posted everywhere due to China's lower age of consent (14-16), so I'm with the CPC on this one. There have been minors posting porn on Twitter, and the platform usually yeets them very quickly. If these idiots that ran Chinese porn sites had a system to not only ban but to report CP, then I don't care. All they care about is shekelz, fuck them.

That's why I think Tik Tok and Vine type sites are cancer, it's asking for predators.

Anyway, the method to get around this affiliate link thing is to use a website checker site, the "is this site down" types, or some can ping and calculate latency. (I know because someone wanted me to click it, I told him to go fuck himself, then suggested that as a potential workaround.) Just paste that link into the site. Doing in a normal tab won't work, but it will in incognito and the alike. I'm guessing it's the same for YouTube too, open several icognito tabs should inflate the numbers of nobody streams. If not, they have a more elaborate detection system.

 

[naught]

Funny if true.

'Today, the Lino project foundation announced that it will officially discontinue support of the Lino blockchain as of 12:00:01am Pacific Time on April 15, 2020 (“Cutoff Time”). Following the Cutoff Time, the Lino blockchain will no longer be live, and LINO tokens will no longer be transferable or have any value or utility.'

https://lino.network/

Someone missed out on a big headline.

 

[Sam Losco]

Funny if true.

'Today, the Lino project foundation announced that it will officially discontinue support of the Lino blockchain as of 12:00:01am Pacific Time on April 15, 2020 (“Cutoff Time”). Following the Cutoff Time, the Lino blockchain will no longer be live, and LINO tokens will no longer be transferable or have any value or utility.'

https://lino.network/

Doesn't affect Dlive. They haven't been using Lino for a while now. Lemons are solely a Dlive thing. It's like buying credits at an arcade.

Edit - Realized that was last year. The lino site appears to be completely gone now.

 

[Ralphamale]

Someone missed out on a big headline.

Too bad Ralph wasn't mentioned on there since it would put pressure on Dlive to ban him. Baked got banned yesterday for being there so kinda weird is allowed to restream all the others doing it and be ok. Dlive even told him to calm his chat down since they were getting pretty cray cray.

 

[4str4staleatherbelt]

Another deceptive DLive hitpiece was made from people upset Google and Facebook don't control everything and whose headline ignores DLive banning people for these activities which are already against it's ToS.

https://archive.md/bSmVO

 

[AltisticRight]

Another deceptive DLive hitpiece was made from people upset Google and Facebook don't control everything and whose headline ignores DLive banning people for these activities which are already against it's ToS.

A Game Livestreaming Site Has Become an Extremist Haven

DC rioters used DLive to stream from the Capitol to thousands of people on Wednesday—and to get donations from them too.

www.wired.com

Those journos at wired can tie that wire into a loop and hang themselves from a big tall tree. When it comes to some faggy Silicon Valley Roach-Ching collab and MSM journos, I'll side with the former.

Here's a copy of the article, there's some interesting stuff.
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A Game Livestreaming Site Has Become an Extremist Haven​

DC rioters used DLive to stream from the Capitol to thousands of people on Wednesday—and to get donations from them too.

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Wednesday’s insurrection in the US Capitol wasn’t just broadcast by journalists and bystanders with smartphones; it was broadcast by its own perpetrators.
Mainstream platforms like Facebook cracked down on videos glorifying the attack, fueled in part by the bogus claim that the presidential election was stolen from Donald Trump. Lesser-known platforms that have supported extremists and conspiracy theorists for years were also activated by the insurrection. Among them is a blockchain-based livestreaming site called DLive, which hosted multiple streams from the Capitol on Wednesday and allowed viewers to donate directly to the streamers as they broadcast their actions and misinformation.
Channels with hundreds of viewers went live on Wednesday with titles like “March to Save America,” and “Time to Take Our Country Back.” More than 140,000 DLive viewers watched streams about the events at the Capitol, many condoning or encouraging the mob there. At least one person streamed after breaking into the Capitol itself as donations flooded in.

DLive was founded by entrepreneur Charles Wayn in 2017 as a lower-scale competitor to Amazon’s Twitch. The platform broke into the mainstream when YouTube’s top gaming celebrity, Felix “PewDiePie” Kjellberg, streamed there exclusively for a brief period starting in 2019. Since then the site has kept growing, from the 4,322nd-ranked site according to Alexa in October to 3,273rd today.
A major contributor to DLive’s growth has been the white nationalist leaders and other far-right personalities who fled there after bans on YouTube, Twitch, Facebook, and elsewhere. On DLive, however, they’ve been able to cultivate enormous audiences thanks to the platform’s lenient, hands-off moderation. Dozens of prominent extremists and conspiracy theorists stream on the site, many under “Verified Partner” badges. They’re also able to earn money there, via DLive’s in-app currency, Lemon, often amounting to tens of thousands of dollars, according to data shared with WIRED by a livestreaming analyst. In August, Time reported that eight of the top 10 earners were extremists or conspiracy theorists.

One streamer who received donations as he stormed the Capitol on Wednesday was Tim Gionet, also known as BakedAlaska. Gionet was banned from Twitter in 2017; YouTube removed his channel in October after he harassed retail workers over wearing masks. On Wednesday he streamed on DLive for over 20 minutes from inside the Capitol, reaching an audience of over 17,000 at its peak. “Thank you everyone for sharing this video,” he said at one point, before encouraging the mob around him to start an “America first” chant. Online viewers in his livestream joined in the chatroom, asking him to “SMASH THE WINDOW” or “HANG ALL THE CONGRESSMEN.” They also rewarded him with donations. Elon University professor Megan Squire, an expert on online extremism, estimates that fans donated thousands of dollars to him yesterday through lemons.

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In another Dlive streamer’s video from DC, the person points the camera at a line of cop cars and says, “I was waiting for some content. I tried to get back to the Capitol for you boys, but it’s not possible. So this is what’s happening.”
In a livestream today, DLive’s head of community addressed yesterday’s events: “I do want to make it incredibly, incredibly clear that DLive does not condone any illegal activity. Peaceful protests? Fine. Reporting on the protests? Fine. But if your channel or you the streamer are involved in any illegal activity, your channel will be taken offline.” A representative for DLive did not return a request for comment from WIRED. StreamElements, which helped facilitate the DLive donations to Gionet, today removed his account, telling WIRED he violated their terms of service.


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DLive’s community guidelines also prohibit hate speech, but it explicitly puts the onus for moderation on channel owners and moderators: “DLive provides tools to aid moderators, but does not prescribe their usage. Channel owners and moderators are required to moderate the chat based on the community guidelines above.”
“DLive does not have the moderation facilities familiar to users on most social media platforms,” says Squire. Users use the same contact form to report an account spreading hate speech as they would asking for technical support or the legal team. “There is no support inbox or any sort of way to interact with a moderation team or the like.”
Instead, as the attack on the Capitol roiled on yesterday, savvy Twitter users disturbed by Gionet’s stream raced to identify DLive’s hosting provider and content distribution network (CDN), or the group of servers delivering content on DLive. Once they discovered that Peer5 was DLive’s CDN, Twitter users @ed the company, notifying them of Gionet’s stream. Within minutes, employees indicated they were taking action.
"Peer5’s terms of service prohibit the use of our service in connection with any content that is unlawful, harmful, or otherwise objectionable, among other things," a company representative told WIRED. "We learned in real time that harmful content related to today’s events was being streamed on DLive. We have taken immediate action, in coordination with DLive, to remove that content." The company did not comment further on DLive's involvement in its actions, but it said it will continue to monitor streams on DLive. While Gionet’s videos from the Capitol have disappeared, his account remains online with a Verified Partner badge.
One former DLive employee told Time in August that “they care more about having good numbers than weeding these people out.” DLive’s continued apathy toward who it hosts isn’t a simple matter of free speech and censorship. By allowing extremists to remain on their platform, DLive serves as a recruitment tool. Decades ago, says Squire, white supremacist groups met in person and used electronic media like email for communication. “Things are opposite now,” she says. “They meet online and move offline for real-world action once they find a viable activity or trust one another enough to do so.”

Squire points to Nick Fuentes, who hosts the far-right podcast America First and received $44,000 in donations through DLive in the last two months of 2020, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Fuentes mobilizes his followers in person, including at the Million MAGA March in Washington DC, where he spoke onstage to eager followers. Gionet too was present at the march.
As of Thursday afternoon, Gionet’s chat was still active and buzzing with fans despite his being offline. Only now users speculated whether he would go to jail. Wrote one DLive user, “Lemon drop for some commissary funds?”