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Do that, and free college probably wouldn't be needed. The issue is that college tuition is a massive scam in the US. Kids who don't even know what they want to do with their lives (because high school teaches very little effective real life skills) are encouraged and pressured into taking out tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans (which you can't just get out of with a bankruptcy either). Add another layer of government bureaucracy to that mess and watch as banks, lenders, and colleges makes obscene amounts of cash while the taxpayer foots the bill.

It blows my mind that something like free college, with all the terrifying implications that it raises, is practically a moderate Democrat position at this point.
Which makes it all but crystal clear to me Bernie isn't some hero of the people like his fans think - he's the opposite! His entire platform is about giving more power and money to an industrialized scam!
 

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Which makes it all but crystal clear to me Bernie isn't some hero of the people like his fans think - he's the opposite! His entire platform is about giving more power and money to an industrialized scam!
Whole fucking education system needs to be overhauled, "free college" doesn't do anything but stick a band-aid on it and enable the problems that got us into this giant fucking mess to begin with.
 

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The problem is the credentialism to college and people "needing" this and "needing" that to get a job. It was guaranteed that the college system would become a trillion dollar scam when the government got increasingly involved in it while at the same time, making aptitude testing increasingly difficult.

Griggs V. Duke Power Company was the beginning of the end but it rarely gets discussed. Its all a part of affirmative action and "disparate impact" making it so that the only way people can demonstrate aptitude is that college degree that they "need." Without people going into debt up to their eyeballs to get a credential instead of simply self-learning and taking aptitude tests, racism, Nazism and the KKK will happen.
 

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Wait, wait, wait. So minimal, within the case that you were to tax the wealthy more, the wealthy, already having to pay more in taxes (in general, and not using any tax categories) due to owning more property, owning more land, having more money than the average American. Right here, you're literally admitting that the only way a taxpayer healthcare system would work if we further tax those who already have to pay much more money in taxes already both in terms of amount and proportion, have to pay more taxes...don't you think that they wouldn't even try to pay taxes at all if rebelled. They already have to pay more (which they don't), and they don't even do that, because they use their leverage and loophole knowledge to get past having to give up money. What makes you think that by forcing them to pay even more money (than they should already be paying) would automatically solve the problem and make them pay?
Actually, the rich don't really pay that much in taxes when compared to past precedent. In 1963 the top marginal tax rate was 93 percent. Currently its fallen to 38 percent. There is historical precedent for taxing the rich more to pay for programs that benefit all Americans, not just the ultra-wealthy. In what I'm sure is JUST A COINCIDENCE the biggest slashes to this tax rate occurred during the Reagan presidency and has never recovered. Source:
It's a myth that the rich put in a lot to this country. The truth is there has been a steady campaign of lobbying and paying off politicians to get the amount that they have to contribute dramatically lowered.

You're absolutely right about their being loopholes that the rich use to avoid paying taxes. So ask yourself...why haven't we closed the loopholes? If everyone knows that they do it, why has nothing been done?

Because its in the vested interest of most politicians to keep those loopholes open.
Hell, even Trump in 2015 said he'd reform the tax system that allows these sort of loopholes

Of course he didn't, and instead slashed taxes for corporations across the board. He lied, as politicians do. So what makes this go round any different? Rate me optimistic, but I believe the current crop of "radical" Democrats actually want to invoke actual change, even at the cost of old-blood support within their own party. It seems like American politicians just have gotten used to the fact that the rich do whatever the fuck they want without fear of consequences. But people are getting tired. Why is it that the economy is supposedly doing so great while wages are stagnant and more people than ever have to work multiple jobs just to stay afloat?

I believe real change is possible, and that starts with inflicting actual consequences on the rich, even if they're unpopular or "th-the rich won't like them!" The feelings of the ultra-wealthy should not dictate US economic policy.

That's what you get for not getting a job that gives out insurance or finding an insurance company that could help you be insured in the first place.
I hope this blatant lack of empathy remains a shining part of Republican policy.
"Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps!"
"Have you tried not being poor?"
"Just get a job that has healthcare benefits, lazy bum!"

You're blatantly ignoring the fact that even people with health insurance are going bankrupt from being unable to pay their premiums. The broken state of our healthcare system doesn't just affect the uninsured. That'd be nice and neat and tidy and wouldn't require anything meaningful to happen, the conservative pipe dream. But its simply not the case.
No there isn't, because you said above that the only way this would be possible, is through taxing the wealthy, and there's a high chance that the wealthy could refuse. Otherwise, the middle class would probably get taxed more. It would be even worse if we tried to take the military (not that I'm pro-war) because if we took away funding for the military, that increases a chance of being put into some form of checkmate...not that I'm pro-war, but whatever.
Ah yes, whenever I'm about to get arrested for breaking the law I just tell the cop "I don't feel like it" and everything works out fine! When I don't want to pay taxes I just tell the IRS to shove it. Why do the ultra-wealthy in this country have so much power over our policies that idiots like you will defend them literally circumventing the law? This quote has never been truer:

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

As for your point about the military, are you aware that not even the fucking heads of the military themselves want all of the money we currently funnel towards them? We waste billions on shiny new toys that collect dust in warehouses. Paring back our currently military spending will not harm our efforts to play world police or undermine the ability to defend ourselves as a country whatsoever. We're funding what are essentially billion dollar paperweights.


I don't care how anti-war you are. You're still ignoring the facts. As a country right now we are wasting absurd amounts of money that could be used towards helping our own citizens. Through a combination of higher taxes on the most wealthy and redirecting funds from war hawk dick measuring projects we can EASILY fund healthcare for all. It doesn't have to be some far-off pipe dream. Most western countries have managed to do it without Venezuela-ing themselves. All of the arguments against it stem down to "FUCK other people" and "Richie Rich D. Goldstein won't like it!" and I'll continue shitting all over them until my dying breath.

Do that, and free college probably wouldn't be needed. The issue is that college tuition is a massive scam in the US. Kids who don't even know what they want to do with their lives (because high school teaches very little effective real life skills) are encouraged and pressured into taking out tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans (which you can't just get out of with a bankruptcy either). Add another layer of government bureaucracy to that mess and watch as banks, lenders, and colleges makes obscene amounts of cash while the taxpayer foots the bill.

It blows my mind that something like free college, with all the terrifying implications that it raises, is practically a moderate Democrat position at this point.
I fail to see how making college taxpayer-funded would be a win for banks and lenders who would no longer be able to prey on poor people who want an education. And colleges should not be for-profit in the first place.

Tell me, what are these terrifying implications free college would cause? I genuinely don't get it. Just have free testing for college entrance and voila. There's your meritocracy conservatives usually salivate over.
 

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I fail to see how making college taxpayer-funded would be a win for banks and lenders who would no longer be able to prey on poor people who want an education. And colleges should not be for-profit in the first place.

Tell me, what are these terrifying implications free college would cause? I genuinely don't get it. Just have free testing for college entrance and voila. There's your meritocracy conservatives usually salivate over.
None of your ideas matter. You're simply going to be wiped off the board. The leader of your ideology is an elderly smooth brain that's going to drop dead any day now. His heiress is a moronic criminal. There's nobody else.

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I fail to see how making college taxpayer-funded would be a win for banks and lenders who would no longer be able to prey on poor people who want an education. And colleges should not be for-profit in the first place.

Tell me, what are these terrifying implications free college would cause? I genuinely don't get it. Just have free testing for college entrance and voila. There's your meritocracy conservatives usually salivate over.
The thing people like you always forget is that the money HAS to come from somewhere. The professors, teaching assistants, administrators, and all the other people who work at a college are not working for free. So if the student is no longer paying for it, then who is? It's the government, and when the government gets involved simple processes get insanely convoluted.

To oversee this speculative "Free College Program" the Department of Education is going to have to be massively enlarged (oh boy, more bureaucrats) in order to ensure that colleges getting the cash are accredited, students getting free education aren't obvious grifters, and all the multifarious federal regulations are being followed at all levels. Every federal employee is a massive cost to the taxpayer since by definition they take more money from the government than they pay back in.

Also, that free testing you mentioned? Who is going to make the tests, who is going to proctor the tests, and who is going to evaluate the test results? You can't just say that something is free and have everything just fall into place.

And while I agree that college should not be for profit, human nature doesn't work like that. If there is a chance to make money, someone will. Just blindly hoping that everyone will be nice is a good way to get absolutely destroyed in real life.

TLDR: Calling something free doesn't make it free.
 

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The thing people like you always forget is that the money HAS to come from somewhere. The professors, teaching assistants, administrators, and all the other people who work at a college are not working for free. So if the student is no longer paying for it, then who is? It's the government, and when the government gets involved simple processes get insanely convoluted.

To oversee this speculative "Free College Program" the Department of Education is going to have to be massively enlarged (oh boy, more bureaucrats) in order to ensure that colleges getting the cash are accredited, students getting free education aren't obvious grifters, and all the multifarious federal regulations are being followed at all levels. Every federal employee is a massive cost to the taxpayer since by definition they take more money from the government than they pay back in.

Also, that free testing you mentioned? Who is going to make the tests, who is going to proctor the tests, and who is going to evaluate the test results? You can't just say that something is free and have everything just fall into place.

And while I agree that college should not be for profit, human nature doesn't work like that. If there is a chance to make money, someone will. Just blindly hoping that everyone will be nice is a good way to get absolutely destroyed in real life.

TLDR: Calling something free doesn't make it free.
Nah nah man you just have to raise taxes (by some percent) on the ultra wealthy (whoever that is) and you'll have however much money you need to fund all this.

It's that simple.
 

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When you begin your giant TL;DR with bullshit, it's not a good sign.

Actually, the rich don't really pay that much in taxes when compared to past precedent. In 1963 the top marginal tax rate was 93 percent.
That's an oversimplification at best. I'd call it straight up bullshit. Not surprising, coming from you, but still worth calling out.
 

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I hope this blatant lack of empathy remains a shining part of Republican policy.
"Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps!"
"Have you tried not being poor?"
"Just get a job that has healthcare benefits, lazy bum!"
You've never been around the perennially destitute for an extended period, have you? Most of them are absolute scum and deserve to be where they are. The rest are just crazy and need pills badly.
 

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When you begin your giant TL;DR with bullshit, it's not a good sign.


That's an oversimplification at best. I'd call it straight up bullshit. Not surprising, coming from you, but still worth calling out.
That was an enlightening read, and I actually learned quite a bit. So despite the rate being 90 percent the rich used loopholes to get out of paying up most of the time? Is there any way those loopholes can be closed? I'm beginning to think this entire system is broken...
 

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The problem is the credentialism to college and people "needing" this and "needing" that to get a job.
Thank work visa abuse by major corporations for that. Why would you want a recent college grad for an entry-level position who expects to be paid fair market wages, when you can crank "requirements" into the stratosphere, cry to the government you can't find qualified employees, and hire Prandeeb-Abdul Patel al-Mohammad at a fraction of the cost?
 

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Actually, the rich don't really pay that much in taxes when compared to past precedent. In 1963 the top marginal tax rate was 93 percent. Currently its fallen to 38 percent. There is historical precedent for taxing the rich more to pay for programs that benefit all Americans, not just the ultra-wealthy. In what I'm sure is JUST A COINCIDENCE the biggest slashes to this tax rate occurred during the Reagan presidency and has never recovered. Source:
It's a myth that the rich put in a lot to this country. The truth is there has been a steady campaign of lobbying and paying off politicians to get the amount that they have to contribute dramatically lowered.

You're absolutely right about their being loopholes that the rich use to avoid paying taxes. So ask yourself...why haven't we closed the loopholes? If everyone knows that they do it, why has nothing been done?

Because its in the vested interest of most politicians to keep those loopholes open.
Hell, even Trump in 2015 said he'd reform the tax system that allows these sort of loopholes

Of course he didn't, and instead slashed taxes for corporations across the board. He lied, as politicians do. So what makes this go round any different? Rate me optimistic, but I believe the current crop of "radical" Democrats actually want to invoke actual change, even at the cost of old-blood support within their own party. It seems like American politicians just have gotten used to the fact that the rich do whatever the fuck they want without fear of consequences. But people are getting tired. Why is it that the economy is supposedly doing so great while wages are stagnant and more people than ever have to work multiple jobs just to stay afloat?

I believe real change is possible, and that starts with inflicting actual consequences on the rich, even if they're unpopular or "th-the rich won't like them!" The feelings of the ultra-wealthy should not dictate US economic policy.


I hope this blatant lack of empathy remains a shining part of Republican policy.
"Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps!"
"Have you tried not being poor?"
"Just get a job that has healthcare benefits, lazy bum!"

You're blatantly ignoring the fact that even people with health insurance are going bankrupt from being unable to pay their premiums. The broken state of our healthcare system doesn't just affect the uninsured. That'd be nice and neat and tidy and wouldn't require anything meaningful to happen, the conservative pipe dream. But its simply not the case.

Ah yes, whenever I'm about to get arrested for breaking the law I just tell the cop "I don't feel like it" and everything works out fine! When I don't want to pay taxes I just tell the IRS to shove it. Why do the ultra-wealthy in this country have so much power over our policies that idiots like you will defend them literally circumventing the law? This quote has never been truer:

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

As for your point about the military, are you aware that not even the fucking heads of the military themselves want all of the money we currently funnel towards them? We waste billions on shiny new toys that collect dust in warehouses. Paring back our currently military spending will not harm our efforts to play world police or undermine the ability to defend ourselves as a country whatsoever. We're funding what are essentially billion dollar paperweights.


I don't care how anti-war you are. You're still ignoring the facts. As a country right now we are wasting absurd amounts of money that could be used towards helping our own citizens. Through a combination of higher taxes on the most wealthy and redirecting funds from war hawk dick measuring projects we can EASILY fund healthcare for all. It doesn't have to be some far-off pipe dream. Most western countries have managed to do it without Venezuela-ing themselves. All of the arguments against it stem down to "FUCK other people" and "Richie Rich D. Goldstein won't like it!" and I'll continue shitting all over them until my dying breath.


I fail to see how making college taxpayer-funded would be a win for banks and lenders who would no longer be able to prey on poor people who want an education. And colleges should not be for-profit in the first place.

Tell me, what are these terrifying implications free college would cause? I genuinely don't get it. Just have free testing for college entrance and voila. There's your meritocracy conservatives usually salivate over.
Get a fucking job you loser.

EDIT:

One point:

American military spending is the only reason why world is able to prosper at the rate that they are and migration problem is just part ofthat military spending. Without American global presence in the world, regional powers like China, North Korea, Russia, Iran will begin forming blocs of alliances. Without Americans able to project their power over regions, you'd see competing powers building military in equal fashion and more warfare, more tragedies, and more instability.

And yes, you'd likely see a fucking nuclear war because of it.

You are a fucking moron. Get fucked you ungrateful ignorant fuck.
 
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Thank work visa abuse by major corporations for that. Why would you want a recent college grad for an entry-level position who expects to be paid fair market wages, when you can crank "requirements" into the stratosphere, cry to the government you can't find qualified employees, and hire Prandeeb-Abdul Patel al-Mohammad at a fraction of the cost?
The ACA also added even more incentive for companies to only hire workers for part time positions at the lowest levels instead of full time.
 

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I hope this blatant lack of empathy remains a shining part of Republican policy.
"Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps!"
"Have you tried not being poor?"
"Just get a job that has healthcare benefits, lazy bum!"
Because grossly stereotyping your political opponents is the height of empathy.

That was an enlightening read, and I actually learned quite a bit. So despite the rate being 90 percent the rich used loopholes to get out of paying up most of the time? Is there any way those loopholes can be closed? I'm beginning to think this entire system is broken...
That your entire focus is on punishing the rich tells me everything I need to know about the worth of your views.
 

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Actually, the rich don't really pay that much in taxes when compared to past precedent. In 1963 the top marginal tax rate was 93 percent. Currently its fallen to 38 percent. There is historical precedent for taxing the rich more to pay for programs that benefit all Americans, not just the ultra-wealthy. In what I'm sure is JUST A COINCIDENCE the biggest slashes to this tax rate occurred during the Reagan presidency and has never recovered. Source:
It's a myth that the rich put in a lot to this country. The truth is there has been a steady campaign of lobbying and paying off politicians to get the amount that they have to contribute dramatically lowered.

You're absolutely right about their being loopholes that the rich use to avoid paying taxes. So ask yourself...why haven't we closed the loopholes? If everyone knows that they do it, why has nothing been done?

Because its in the vested interest of most politicians to keep those loopholes open.
Hell, even Trump in 2015 said he'd reform the tax system that allows these sort of loopholes

Of course he didn't, and instead slashed taxes for corporations across the board. He lied, as politicians do. So what makes this go round any different? Rate me optimistic, but I believe the current crop of "radical" Democrats actually want to invoke actual change, even at the cost of old-blood support within their own party. It seems like American politicians just have gotten used to the fact that the rich do whatever the fuck they want without fear of consequences.
Uh yeah, they do. They don't pay a lot in taxes, but they own the vast majority of the businesses in this country:


And even then it's only merely a fraction of said 1% (the wealthiest) that own said businesses, considering that the 1% is usually categorized as the approx. 2 million or 3 million that make more than $250,000 a year (some of which are politicans and government workers that don't own businesses, but own stocks; there's really only a very, very small percentage of the 1% that owns most of the major companies [consider how few there are], and also that percentage of the 1% that are celebrities too; don't forget about the celebrities):


And even then when you take into account businesses which use tax loopholes and tricks to avoid having to pay as many taxes that they have to pay (as well as ignoring the amount of debt some of these companies have due to them over-spending their budget), and as much as I hate to justify it (considering that I am apart of the 99%), but the reason why tax loopholes exist is because you have to think about how much money a business has to distribute within their yearly budgets. Understand that a business has to focus on many outlets of money to pay for the employees, the resources, the technology, the advertising, the outsourcing, the mortgage of the buildings that the business owns, a whole lot of things that keep the company running. All of the things I listed are quite expensive and they have to dedicate certain parts of their gross revenue to keep that going. Often, a flaw of the business, is that they spend too much money on certain parts of their business.


Tax loopholes are there, to get the businesses (the grand majority) that are in debt, out of debt. They exist has sort of a way to help these businesses out of debt, so that they won't have to pay as much money for taxes, to focus on either getting their company out of debt, and trying to balance the money. It's not like they are keeping all of the money to themselves, considering that they already pay a lot of money to support everything that they spend on to keep their business going. The main issue is that the money that they owe is growing, because the economy is growing way too fast, for them to keep up. The more economic expansion, the more money that has to be spent to increase production, which can commonly go over the current profit that are making right now. Understand that not all rich people, all of the stereotypical, Mr. Krabs-type rich people are not the type of people that keep the money for themselves (although there is an amount of corrupt business people that launder money from other countries). For almost every dollar they earn, they spend. They spend, spend, spend, either on their businesses or on themselves.

But people are getting tired. Why is it that the economy is supposedly doing so great while wages are stagnant and more people than ever have to work multiple jobs just to stay afloat?
Ha, ha. Very funny you have this source up. Only 5.1% of the working force has to work over 2 jobs. This is a problem that has existed for years, and it's mostly due to the circumstances that people are in, like a single income household (especially a single-mother household where the mother has to work 2 jobs to support the house, the children, the food, everything: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-192.html; https://www.epi.org/publication/women-are-more-likely-to-work-multiple-jobs-than-men/) or a college student that has to work two part time jobs or a fulltime job while going into college to pay off enormous debt for a college degree (https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/29/more-college-students-are-working-while-studying.html). These are both problems, but not due to economic growth. It is the circumstance that they ended up in, willingly or unwillingly (usually unwillingly, especially college students, considering that the vast majority of college students don't think about the huge economic risk one must take in going into college).

The single mother issue is a big problem in this country. A very big problem, a fucking HUGE problem.


This is mostly due to the obvious reasons of the single mother having to do the work that both parents usually do, twicefold. Not only that, but due to certain circumstances (and I guess this could either be irresponsibly having children early or accidentally having children early or being in a bad relationship that results in breakup or divorce), the single mother is less likely to be educated and thus they have a lesser chance of earning the income that they need to support the family (since people with college degrees, I hate to admit it considering the fact that college is a scam across the board, are more likely to make more money than a person with only a high school degree: https://www.cornerstone.edu/blogs/lifelong-learning-matters/post/do-college-grads-really-earn-more-than-high-school-grads, a thing that has been known for years). That's why they have to work two jobs. They have double duty. The issue with this

The thing about college kids having to work multiple jobs is a way of paying off their huge college tuition.


The reason why college kids have to pay off college tuition is because most colleges are privately funded. Unlike public schools, they are not EXCLUSIVELY funded by the government, they are mostly privately funded by the tuition that college students have to pay to fund the teachers' salaries, fund the technology, fund the mortage, fund the marketing, all of that shit. Through college tuition, students are literally paying the budget of everything that makes the school go round. I agree with you (and I take a stronger stance of just not going to college at all, and trying to build yourself from the bottom up) on the perception that college is expensive, but I disagree on the prospect that we should make college FREE considering that through doing that, it's probably going to collapse the education system. Now you're going to handle the large amounts of money that each individual student has to pay, to the citizens (although you think the ultra-wealthy is going to pay it all; ha, ha, ha, no, it's not that easy) of the country, and colleges each spend millions of dollars on their budget, even more than public schools already do. Making all of that free is not going to solve anything, and it's going to make it worse. Education is not a given right. It's not a need. You don't have to get a college education in order to be educated. There are far more alternatives to an education that you can take. It is your choice if you want to go to college or not and, and I don't care if I sound unempathic, but I don't want to be the one that has to pay for those getting fucked over by being forced into college if only merely because of the perception that college is "neccessary". I'm only empathic in the fact that they go to college and get pulled into this scam in the first place, not about the money they have to pay. It shouldn't be the fault of everyone that they were convinced into this position, it is by choice that they chose this. If more Americans were to educate children on these types of issues, instead of just dumping into the bullshittery that is the public education system (I can go on an even longer rant about that shit; with Horace Mann and Prussia and all that shit), so that more kids can try to go out and succeed on their own in what is the digital age, not the industrial age, then we would have much less of a problem.

I believe real change is possible, and that starts with inflicting actual consequences on the rich, even if they're unpopular or "th-the rich won't like them!" The feelings of the ultra-wealthy should not dictate US economic policy.
It's not really about the feelings, it's more about the logical implications and circumstances of the rich, which I believe you imply business owners or "da business owners" that Bernie Sanders (who is apart of "da 1%"; which is why conservatives meme the fact that he has a bunch of jets and a big house so much with the joke being that a true socialist wouldn't own such money, not that that's a valid argument, but it's a joke) babbles on about. If anything if you want to "punish the rich" with more taxes, why not start with the celebrities. They're not the "ultra wealthy", but they are within the range of being wealthy. These people don't own businesses, they only hire people to support their houses. Yes, that is giving people jobs, but these are types of people who usually avoid paying taxes, not the business owners, usually.


We should punish those that don't pay taxes not through forcing them to pay more, but by imprisoning them for not paying taxes. Authoritarianism can go a long way sometimes. Now they lose the money that they make, and thus that leaves more money for the media companies that already give them loads of money to be in movies, which overall can leave more money for the people which is easy. Companies should pay public figures like these less money rather than more. Unlike business owners, they don't neccisitate as much money.

I hope this blatant lack of empathy remains a shining part of Republican policy.
"Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps!"
"Have you tried not being poor?"
"Just get a job that has healthcare benefits, lazy bum!"

You're blatantly ignoring the fact that even people with health insurance are going bankrupt from being unable to pay their premiums. The broken state of our healthcare system doesn't just affect the uninsured. That'd be nice and neat and tidy and wouldn't require anything meaningful to happen, the conservative pipe dream. But its simply not the case.
Lol. I'm not even a Republican (like you said, I'm what you call "a conservative that smokes weed"; I'm economically conservative, socially liberal). I only pulled that comment out over your ass, not for the generality, but for you, since you're implying that I'm unempathic and you called me an idiot, but I don't care. The only ad hominem I threw out was "muh communism".

In terms of the generality, yes. Health insurance is one of the main causes of bankruptcy.


This is because Insurance is only partial protection for healthcare, which they a pay a little bit of, but then they also have to pay the rest of the costs, the money that they haven't saved, which is often expensive. Americans often don't invest money into funds or save money just in case these sort of emergencies were to happen. If they did, they wouldn't happen to encounter these sorts of situations. The solution to this would be not to influence Americans to invest (considering they need all the money they get from the money that the jobs that they have, although that would be nice), but maybe, in order for everyone to have Free Healthcare, we can wipe out some uneccessary social programs (social welfare and social security; those of the like that Yang wants to wipe out for his UBI), and use that money to fund free healthcare. By wiping out these programs, Americans will pay less for HealthCare (or maybe not even at all) without having to make it free and taxing the wealthy.

Ah yes, whenever I'm about to get arrested for breaking the law I just tell the cop "I don't feel like it" and everything works out fine! When I don't want to pay taxes I just tell the IRS to shove it. Why do the ultra-wealthy in this country have so much power over our policies that idiots like you will defend them literally circumventing the law? This quote has never been truer:

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
I'm not defending them. I just explained above the justification for why tax loopholes commonly exist. Just because I fucking say the reasoning behind something, doesn't mean I support it. That's the problem with people like you. Everytime someone explains why something exists, you go on to then say that the person blindly supports it and then blindly assume that the only justification is the stereotypical moral justification of "da rich 1% is greedy and selfish". I don't support tax loopholes. Why would I support something that doesn't benefit me? I'm just saying a reason for why they exist. I'm not sucking the dick of people who use tax loopholes, I'm just saying the logical justification. That doesn't mean I'm ignorantly ignoring a problem of some kind, it just means that I come to think "okay, why is there here", with the use of logical thinking of why something exists, instead of blatantly going to the ethical justification. When talking about politics, always use logic to justify your arguments. Not presumptive ethics and then tie it in with the logical. Note the logical reasoning, not the ethical reasoning that "oh this exists because the rich are greedy". Politics and economics is not a simple "good or evil" game that you see on Saturday Morning television with He-Man and shit like that.

As for your quote, I think it's stupid. The poor (which I'm assuming implies both the poor and the middle class) don't see themselves as temporarily embarassed millionaires. The American people certainly aren't this optimistic about their success. Not everyone thinks that they are going to be rich one day out of sheer luck and tomfoolery. Some just want to be basic positions of the middle class. Remember in Kindergarten (or even in high school), where kids would talk about what they want to be when they grow up. Not all of them care about the prospect of making money. They care about the job they want to get when they get older not because of the money, but because it's the job that best suits their interests or they find it as a way to help their community (the basic stuff you hear is those who say they want to be a lawyer, or a police officer, or a teacher, or a chef, or an accountant; kids don't chose those jobs based on "oh, someday I'll make great money", it's what they are interested in. And it's such a demotivating quote too. Just because someone can't ever get rich (in some cases), doesn't mean that they are barred completely from doing so. This quote sounds like someone saying "stay in your place" instead of "try and go beyond", which is not true. Especially since with the right tools, resources, and funding, you can succeed in the business atmosphere, even if it is a small business. This pessimism really isn't warranted.




As for your point about the military, are you aware that not even the fucking heads of the military themselves want all of the money we currently funnel towards them? We waste billions on shiny new toys that collect dust in warehouses. Paring back our currently military spending will not harm our efforts to play world police or undermine the ability to defend ourselves as a country whatsoever. We're funding what are essentially billion dollar paperweights.


I don't care how anti-war you are. You're still ignoring the facts. As a country right now we are wasting absurd amounts of money that could be used towards helping our own citizens. Through a combination of higher taxes on the most wealthy and redirecting funds from war hawk dick measuring projects we can EASILY fund healthcare for all. It doesn't have to be some far-off pipe dream. Most western countries have managed to do it without Venezuela-ing themselves. All of the arguments against it stem down to "FUCK other people" and "Richie Rich D. Goldstein won't like it!" and I'll continue shitting all over them until my dying breath.
I agree, and I know, that the amount of money that the government spends on military spending is a lot of money. (https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/) That's quite factual, but THEN again, and I'm not defending it, look at the economic prospects of the military spending.

The military and several technology companies ever since World War I has been making a lot of money through enhancements of war technology, ever since the innovation of the machine gun. This is most commonly done through the U.S. government or various other companies or countries spending money from their publically funded budgets to buy the weapons, thus not only funding the creation of these weapons, but also giving enough funds for other elements of the company. Military weapons are necessary in the use of war (and the dick size contest of nationalistic countries to make yourself more of a powerful threat as a country)


You are probably going to insult me over this, but through cutting military spending, by a ton of money, impacts technology companies, impacts the military, and it impacts the people working within these companies to make this sort of technology in the first place. The first thing that they are going to get rid of when it comes to cutting the funding (especially when government funding is EXACTED to the amount of money specifically needed for the services required) is probably the salaries of employees, tons of layoffs, which can impact the amount of technology made, and the company probably going downhill.

I do agree that a lot less of the budget needs to be spent on making weapons (which are quite expensive to make), and in fact, I have a solution. The solution to this would be to make less weapons, through downsizing the units of these companies that make the military weapons. Through this, they could probably focus more time on trying to create new technology within the other units of their businesses (as you can see, a lot of the companies listed in that article I posted above that benefit off of war through making weapons, the main focus of their company isn't through the funding of these weapons, but through the funding of other sorts of technology; a few of which were space, car, and tech companeis) Through convincing companies of shifting to these other sorts of technology (and to cut funding of the weapons), would be the perfect solution because the company can still make tons of money off of technology, and the government doesn't have to spend that much money on buying weapons from these companies. To fund the creation of the other technology, they don't need the government. They could use the benefit of money made from trade and sell more products to more countries, and even price them higher (to supplement) which can trick consumers into thinking the value is higher, thus benefiting their company through an increase of value. Not as easy as it sounds, and no politician is probably even thinking about this (considering that they always argue over the pettiest shit, now that I fucking realize this through countering with my points to you anyway), but consider my socio-political economic solutions.

And no, taxing the wealthy is not always the solution to everything, as I explained above, the wealthy, mostly business owners are the ones that give the wealth to the people in the first place as well as the funding of every company and through forcing taxes upon them will eventually lead to forcing taxes on the middle class and like you said, them Venezula-ing themselves.

You really seem to have a hatred for the rich, even though in most ways they are of benefit to the country, considering that THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE MOST OF THE MONEY THAT IS THEN GIVEN TO THE CITIZENS WHICH THEY GIVE THE JOBS TO DUE TO THE OWNERSHIP OF BUSINESSES AND THE NEED FOR LABOR FOR THOSE BUSINESSES. Not even those among the middle class have as much as hatred for the people who give you your money for whatever job you have as you do, and other socialists of the like. The economy is one of the best things about the country, even if it is heavily flawed, but everything is going to be heavily flawed. For some benefactors, there will be malefactors, but capitalism is probably the only system that can possibly benefit the vast majority of people and unlike socialism, communism (not that there has ever been true communism anyway, because communism only works under anarchy, in the terms of one not ruling over the government), and even feudalism, capitalism WORKS. It has WORKED for many years. Like every economic system, it will never be PERFECT, but it WORKS and it has proven to WORK. Michael Moore lies, man. Capitalism has not fallen yet. It won't even fall when the fat man doesn't sing "IT WILL" anymore, unless a variety of things happens to make it fucking collapse, and not just a recession. There has been no better economic system. All of the solutions you have are not even the slightest bit feasible. Economic growth can benefit more to the masses rather than making shit free, but whatever. I'm done with this shit. I would love to see you counter this.

TL; DR: Your solutions are whack, Blackjack. Get past your anarcho-communism phase, man. One day you'll CAPITALIZE on the reality of it all.
 
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That your entire focus is on punishing the rich tells me everything I need to know about the worth of your views.
This is really it. There's no real idealism behind it. It's just the inchoate rage of the lazy, bellowing impotently at those who would dare take the slightest initiative to control their own destinies.

The outraged, unemployed keyboard warrior.
 
That was an enlightening read, and I actually learned quite a bit. So despite the rate being 90 percent the rich used loopholes to get out of paying up most of the time? Is there any way those loopholes can be closed? I'm beginning to think this entire system is broken...
Ok, now repeat that process for about 6 years and maybe you will be partly caught up with the rest of the class.

You are incredibly ignorant, but at least you seem willing, at times, to be slightly less so. Just speed it up, please...
 
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