Do people see Free Speech as a old worthless value?

Do you support Free Speech?

  • Yes

    Votes: 56 75.7%
  • No, it's totally Lame.

    Votes: 18 24.3%

  • Total voters
    74

InsolentGaylord

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Lately I'm seeing a lot of Kiwi's who give me the impression they see free speech as a old worthless "boomer" value because social media and their peers tell them it's worthless and bad. I've noticed people seem to react badly to announcement of Alt Tech sites that go against the monopoly of Twitter and Facebook, which gives me the impression they don't really care about free speech anymore.

Most left wingers I've met seem to be very low IQ or at least very brainwashed, and they seem to do mental gymnastics in their heads to justify being anti-free speech (or at least anti free speech for opinions that go against theirs). I fail to see why having less freedom in what you can say could even be a popular value outside of radical left wing nutjobs or authoritarian governments, so it seems weird to see people actually not want it, or at least not care about losing it.

So I'm curious who here still cares about Freedom of Speech.
 

DeadFish

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Lately I'm seeing a lot of Kiwi's who give me the impression they see free speech as a old worthless "boomer" value because social media and their peers tell them it's worthless and bad. I've noticed people seem to react badly to announcement of Alt Tech sites that go against the monopoly of Twitter and Facebook, which gives me the impression they don't really care about free speech anymore.

Most left wingers I've met seem to be very low IQ or at least very brainwashed, and they seem to do mental gymnastics in their heads to justify being anti-free speech (or at least anti free speech for opinions that go against theirs). I fail to see why having less freedom in what you can say could even be a popular value outside of radical left wing nutjobs or authoritarian governments, so it seems weird to see people actually not want it, or at least not care about losing it.

So I'm curious who here still cares about Freedom of Speech.
The entire point of free speech is allow the public to speak out against the powerful.

It also allows for any possible radical to vent. Once they vent it often stays just words. Without free speech it leaves malcontents and dissents only one option for change

For these reasons Im all for it.

The problem is most people don't want free speech. They want everyone else to constantly kiss their ass and beat down anyone's else not of their group whenever they please.
 

InsolentGaylord

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Thoughts on lolicon?

Not into it.

I care more about actual child porn though because that actually harms kids and is evil. Most of the people who make a big stink about Lolicon are hypocritical jerks with skeletons in the closet usually.

That's my honest opinion, feel free to say it's not good enough because I'm pretty sure you are about to say that.
 

UrbanZerglings

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1: People here are generally pro free-speech, sometimes they are satirical about it or make jokes around it though. One of the main signs of autism is an inability to tell sarcasm...

2: "Alt-Tech" is just as (if not even more) censoring when it comes to free speech as mainstream tech, you're actually retarded and brainwashed if you unironically think that they support free speech. Bans and shadowbans are freely given out for questioning their narrative or "being a shill". The hypocrisy of "alt-tech" when it comes to free speech is why its difficult for people to be supportive.

3: "Alt-Tech" like Gab fucks with user privacy and is often less transparent then Facebook (which is really saying something).

4: Boomers hate free speech, remember how they tried to shut down the Vietnam protests?
 

Lemmingwise

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Lately I'm seeing a lot of Kiwi's who give me the impression they see free speech as a old worthless "boomer" value because social media and their peers tell them it's worthless and bad. I've noticed people seem to react badly to announcement of Alt Tech sites that go against the monopoly of Twitter and Facebook, which gives me the impression they don't really care about free speech anymore.

Most left wingers I've met seem to be very low IQ or at least very brainwashed, and they seem to do mental gymnastics in their heads to justify being anti-free speech (or at least anti free speech for opinions that go against theirs). I fail to see why having less freedom in what you can say could even be a popular value outside of radical left wing nutjobs or authoritarian governments, so it seems weird to see people actually not want it, or at least not care about losing it.

So I'm curious who here still cares about Freedom of Speech.
I think people are mostly jaded about it. It's not that people don't care about free speech, but having seen that arena for free speech grow smaller and smaller until the free speech zone is practically behind the arby's from 3:00 to 4:00, it's hard to take serious.

After seeing the woman who exposed the panama papers die in a car explosion, seeing Assange basicly imprisoned first in the embassy and later even taken from there, for the crime of doing journalism and giving people some insight in what is going on behind the scenes.

Meanwhile the reason you get the impression is because everybody that was vocal defending of free speech has been silenced in one way or another, either outright censored, self-censored because they saw what happened to others, soft-censored with the velvet hand of tech censorship (just lower engagement, slowly unsubscribe people, stop allowing certain people from showing up in recommended).

And then finally the censorship of a president.

So yeah, I think people care about it, but mostly people are afraid to be as based as some people, like the one that runs this site that they call Noël or something like that.
 

Getwhatyou

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I agree with the idea of free speech. However I see more people crying about the backlash saying things others don't like.

Wanna support pedos. Fine but don't cry when people destroy your life because they don't like pedos.
 

Ted_Breakfast

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1: People here are generally pro free-speech, sometimes they are satirical about it or make jokes around it though. One of the main signs of autism is an inability to tell sarcasm...

2: "Alt-Tech" is just as (if not even more) censoring when it comes to free speech as mainstream tech, you're actually retarded and brainwashed if you unironically think that they support free speech. Bans and shadowbans are freely given out for questioning their narrative or "being a shill". The hypocrisy of "alt-tech" when it comes to free speech is why its difficult for people to be supportive.

3: "Alt-Tech" like Gab fucks with user privacy and is often less transparent then Facebook (which is really saying something).

4: Boomers hate free speech, remember how they tried to shut down the Vietnam protests?
Weren't Boomers the ones doing most of the protesting?
 

DeadFish

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Thoughts on lolicon?
It matters not if I find it distasteful or not (I do).
It matters if said thing helps one gain power.
Right now biden is known for being inappropriate with children. The left is known being permissive with sickos and loons.

The right isn't

Who has the most power now?

The ones who were permissive with the sickos

Those who seen anything that eroticized children as taboo are the ones getting the ban hammer.
 

Spiritually Sodomized

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Those who seen anything that eroticized children as taboo are the ones getting the ban hammer.

Fucking wot

Twitter is not the real world. If anyone talked about lolicon or MAPS in public just about anywhere in the western world they'd be murdered in the street.

Unless they're brown. Then we admire and compliment their beautiful ethnic culture.
 

DeadFish

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Fucking wot

Twitter is not the real world. If anyone talked about lolicon or MAPS in public just about anywhere in the western world they'd be murdered in the street.

Unless they're brown. Then we admire and compliment their beautiful ethnic culture.
Whose president now? Alot of progressives turn out to be pedos
It's not a question of right or wrong but what helps one gain power and ensure survival
 

I Love Beef

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With great power comes great responsibility.

If you live in a free country and can't get what you want, you both suck it up.... and look for greener pastures. That's life. You learn from that shit and realize you're not right all the time. In a free country, ironically there is the want to establish one's own domain, but it's not wrong as long as it's not trying to make it ingrained by force and shows in time that its actions talk, bullshit walks.

In the end, where's the spirit of laissez-faire these days? If there's anything to follow, it's what's for the good of all men, and we sometimes need to be reminded that we don't usually know what's right all the time. Perhaps it's not entirely "the tree of liberty must be occassionally watered with the blood of tyrants", but more along the lines of live and let die.

So I agree in that you can say and express what you want. but you'd best see the signs of where you're headed and if anyone agrees with you. And if there's gonna be a fight, you best know how to make war as much as peace and if it's going to be worth dying for. Live free or die.
 

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