Do people see Free Speech as a old worthless value?

Do you support Free Speech?

  • Yes

    Votes: 56 75.7%
  • No, it's totally Lame.

    Votes: 18 24.3%

  • Total voters
    74

WhoBusTank69

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There are arguments against free speech because people have not experienced the absence of such. Because their perspective on speech is narrow, that they think only their version of "bad" is real. Maybe they equate the limpwristed punishments from school to real life consequences, where they'll get a stern talking-to for slipping(which they wont, as they know what is truly "bad") and go on their way.
Phones already listen to us constantly when not turned off, any errant joke you make on Twitter can quickly begin trending, and just about every website requests personally identifiable information in the guise of personal security. If it's decided free speech is outdated and old fashioned because people are mad on the internet, we're pretty well fucked.
 

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Free speech is supposed to be free for a reason. The minute you hear the word “censorship”, just ask which do you want to believe:

thinking because the media/journalist/politician/entertainer told you so
OR
thinking for yourself?
 

Calandrino

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If it's decided free speech is outdated and old fashioned because people are mad on the internet, we're pretty well fucked.
The currently prevailing narrative is that the ability of people to say whatever they want or spread any kind of opinion indiscriminately is possibly the single biggest threat to civilization right now. The only reason why you don't hear "free speech" being attacked as such is because it has very good branding, what with it being in the US Constitution and all. So the opposition is stated in the form: "I'm the biggest supporter of free speech you'll ever see, but [CENSORSHIP = GOOD]". Cutting through the weaseling, I really think the majority of Americans, especially younger ones, think that freedom of speech is simply a bad thing, even if they won't say that in as many words. And probably almost every other country is worse.
 

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I would say I support free speech. There are a lot of ideas on the Internet that I don't like, but that doesn't mean they should be censored. I am not, however, obligated to take those ideas seriously or platform them, which is an important detail that a lot of people shouting about free speech tend to forget, at least in America.
 

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a short list of ways your speech is already limited:
  • you can't threaten someone
  • you can't defame someone
  • you can't scream "fire!" in a theater, or "bomb!" on an airplane
i don't know, there's lots of other ones. everyone crying about how things aren't as free as they've been before... boohoohoo. get over it
 

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I'm big on negative/positive right theory. There are rights you can't really be "given" because its not like the government has a box of free speech they distribute to everyone. The phrase "freedom of speech" is kind of misleading, because what it ultimately is freedom from consequences of that speech, then we draw the line at what level you can go to without facing consequence.

In say the US, the limit has always been around speech that causes harm to others because it impacts the rights of others. In a place like Iran your speech will illicit consequence at a much less extreme place. The issue lately has become how define "harm" in more liberal/free places, and the question of at what point does speech become inciting. The limits on it are getting stricter because of the conflicts between social groups escalating.

EDIT: When I said consequence in the first paragraph, I meant legal not other people telling you to STFU.
 

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a short list of ways your speech is already limited:
  • you can't threaten someone
  • you can't defame someone
  • you can't scream "fire!" in a theater, or "bomb!" on an airplane
i don't know, there's lots of other ones. everyone crying about how things aren't as free as they've been before... boohoohoo. get over it.
UK has those anti-harassment laws aimed at stopping misgendering and political satire.
 

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Whose president now? Alot of progressives turn out to be pedos
It's not a question of right or wrong but what helps one gain power and ensure survival
Biden's peculiar activities with little kids had to be covered up and drowned out by the media. If the MSM weren't running interference for him, all the electoral fraud in the world wouldn't have been enough to get Biden across the finish line.
 

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Imo it's an unobtainable ideal. Speech is ultimately a weapon in many ways. If you have one culture that says "everyone should have free speech," and another culture that says "only we should have free speech," which culture will eventually prevail if those two cultures clash? The one who disarmed their opponent at every available opportunity, or the one who never capitalized on their political victories?
 

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Yo paraphrase Null.

“Nobody likes free speech. Free speech means that you can wake up in the morning to someone cancelling you on Twitter, or someone advocating for the genocide of your people, or completely false statements being spread about you and your loved ones. However, for as bad as free speech CAN be, anything but free speech is infinitely worse. Because once you decide who gets to decide what is and isn’t free speech, then you take the down sides of free speech with added affect that they are legitimized as “the truth” by the powers that be”
 

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Biden's peculiar activities with little kids had to be covered up and drowned out by the media. If the MSM weren't running interference for him, all the electoral fraud in the world wouldn't have been enough to get Biden across the finish line.

It doesn't challenge my statement. Those who are permissive will win power more often then those who seek to restrict certain character traits.

IS that a good thing? No it's not but that's how it is
 

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The first amendment is that the government cannot restrict your speech. Private companies can do so as they wish.

If you had a job (big if considering you're a right-winger on Kiwi Farms), you'd be able to be fired for saying something offensive at work. Same concept applies.
 

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The first amendment is that the government cannot restrict your speech. Private companies can do so as they wish.

If you had a job (big if considering you're a right-winger on Kiwi Farms), you'd be able to be fired for saying something offensive at work. Same concept applies.

Unfortunately, private corporations practically are the de facto government in this country. Both of the major political parties and damn near all the politicians at the national level are owned by the same handful of mega-corporations.

And sadly, these corporate elites all push for a specific monoculture and will use corporate censorship to crush any dissenting views and tar them with the same broad brush.

The Woke Left is sitting pretty now but they'll get the same kind of treatment if they become too much of a liability for the corporatist rule class.

And yes, a lot of this is the fault of the conservatives who gleefully de-regulated a lot under Reagan and his merry band of neocons and then Bush Sr., Clinton, Dubya, and Obama all gleefully did their part to further entrench corporatism and champion it further.

Trump talked a big game of fighting the corporatists but he foolishly signed off on that tax break (PROTIP: If the establishment neocons of the GOP is so gung-ho on backing it, it's probably bad) and what few things he did do were way too little and way too late, which cost him the election in the end.
 

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The first amendment is that the government cannot restrict your speech. Private companies can do so as they wish.

If you had a job (big if considering you're a right-winger on Kiwi Farms), you'd be able to be fired for saying something offensive at work. Same concept applies.
Yeah, it's like how companies used to be able to pollute the environment as much as they wanted, and now they are still allowed to pollute the environment as much as they want. If something is written into the law that's how things work after all, and therefore we could never criticize global corporations for the immense harm they cause by manipulating and suppressing the free spread of information.

Oh btw, nice prejudice you got there. 10/10 insult really. Idiot.
 

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Yeah, it's like how companies used to be able to pollute the environment as much as they wanted, and now they are still allowed to pollute the environment as much as they want. If something is written into the law that's how things work after all, and therefore we could never criticize global corporations for the immense harm they cause by manipulating and suppressing the free spread of information.
What? The first amendment is that the government cannot punish you for your speech. Your employer sure as hell can, as can private companies. If you called a coworker the gamer word, you'd be fired. Same idea applies. It's not a tough concept.

Oh btw, nice prejudice you got there. 10/10 insult really. Idiot.
lol calm down jabroni
 

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