Do people see Free Speech as a old worthless value?

Do you support Free Speech?

  • Yes

    Votes: 56 75.7%
  • No, it's totally Lame.

    Votes: 18 24.3%

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Youtube is obviously free to enforce their terms of services. Only an idiot would think that an argument to enforce, change or alter laws means that a company would not be able to enforce their own terms of services. If increased protection for free speech would run contrary to youtubes terms of service obviously they'd either have to change those terms (and be fully allowed to enforce whatever new tos they had) or they'd have to take on greater accountability for whatever current tos they have in order to met the increased standards. Terms of service are not some unchangeable laws of nature you absolute nitwit, they are changed constantly.
Funny, you are saying that Youtube enforcing their TOS should not be allowed (because it restricts speech on their platform) but now you're saying it should be. You can't have it both ways.

As for a blue anon, it refers to people who whines about "conspiracy theories" while mindlessly believing whatever conspiracy theories are fed to them.
And what conspiracy do I believe? I've only seen you and one other right-wing retard on here talk about "blue anon", so I am guessing this is the new meme on /pol/
 

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Funny, you are saying that Youtube enforcing their TOS should not be allowed (because it restricts speech on their platform) but now you're saying it should be. You can't have it both ways.


And what conspiracy do I believe? I've only seen you and one other right-wing retard on here talk about "blue anon", so I am guessing this is the new meme on /pol/
Already explained it. Literally in the post you quoted. If you're to dumb to understand it that's on you.

And I don't know what conspiracy theories you believe. What conspiracy theories do I believe? Of course you don't know. But I understand why it's important to you to try to enforce a standard you don't live up to yourself.

The whole "it's okay when private companies make me blind and dumb because the law says so" is moronic on so many levels.

It doesn't matter who harms you, you are still harmed. Laws and regulations are updated over time as we notice harm is still done and that they are needed.

And no, it's not just the people being persecuted that gets harmed by this. You are harmed by this to, because now you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Is the person who just got banned an actual nutter or is he highlighting a critical flaw in some proposed policy by a politician? You have no clue and you don't care. When you get fucked by that policy you won't know about it. Congrats on living in ignorance. But it's ok, what's fucking you over isn't the state, it's a corporation helping the state to fuck you over. Moron.

If this shit isn't covered by existing laws, that's an argument that means nothing except that something must be done so that it is.

But you guying "muh private companies" just label you as a moron.

As for youtube(since you seem to like that site), how about outlawing the practice of shadowbans. When you make a post on youtube, and they hide that post, they should have to inform you they've hidden the post. Shadowbans should be illegal.
 

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Already explained it. Literally in the post you quoted. If you're to dumb to understand it that's on you.

And I don't know what conspiracy theories you believe. What conspiracy theories do I believe? Of course you don't know. But I understand why it's important to you to try to enforce a standard you don't live up to yourself.

The whole "it's okay when private companies make me blind and dumb because the law says so" is moronic on so many levels.
Just because you can't violate Youtube's TOS doesn't mean they're making you dumb and blind. Sorry that QAnon conspiracy theories and baseless election fraud claims get you banned from there. After Jan 6th, it's not shocking that they'd ban that shit.

It doesn't matter who harms you, you are still harmed. Laws and regulations are updated over time as we notice harm is still done and that they are needed.

And no, it's not just the people being persecuted that gets harmed by this. You are harmed by this to, because now you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Is the person who just got banned an actual nutter or is he highlighting a critical flaw in some proposed policy by a politician? You have no clue and you don't care. When you get fucked by that policy you won't know about it. Congrats on living in ignorance. But it's ok, what's fucking you over isn't the state, it's a corporation helping the state to fuck you over. Moron.
It doesn't matter. You violate their TOS, you get banned. It applies to more than just Youtube. If you break your job's rules, you'll be fired, too. You can't have it both ways, and I re-read your post and you still don't explain it. You just want your fellow retards to be able to say whatever they want and not allow private companies to police their platforms. Boo hoo.
If this shit isn't covered by existing laws, that's an argument that means nothing except that something must be done so that it is.

But you guying "muh private companies" just label you as a moron.

As for youtube(since you seem to like that site), how about outlawing the practice of shadowbans. When you make a post on youtube, and they hide that post, they should have to inform you they've hidden the post. Shadowbans should be illegal.
I am sorry your QAnon channel got you banned from Youtube, but I am still waiting to know what baseless conspiracy theories I believe in.
 

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Just because you can't violate Youtube's TOS doesn't mean they're making you dumb and blind. Sorry that QAnon conspiracy theories and baseless election fraud claims get you banned from there. After Jan 6th, it's not shocking that they'd ban that shit
If that’s the case, Why didn’t they ban ‘Russia gate’ after how baseless that was? Or didn’t ban Bernie Sanders theories about him losing 2016 to HRC after one of his fanboys shot up a baseball field? Using your logic, the Washington post admitted recently that they lied about what Trump said during the election, so how come their channel hasn’t been nuked from orbit?
 

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If that’s the case, Why didn’t they ban ‘Russia gate’ after how baseless that was? Or didn’t ban Bernie Sanders theories about him losing 2016 to HRC after one of his fanboys shot up a baseball field?
That was before that was on their terms of service. After Jan 6th and Trump refusing to believe he lost the election caused a bunch of his retard cult to try and overturn democracy, they realized they needed to change things.

Using your logic, the Washington post admitted recently that they lied about what Trump said during the election, so how come their channel hasn’t been nuked from orbit?
Citation needed
 

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Just because you can't violate Youtube's TOS doesn't mean they're making you dumb and blind. Sorry that QAnon conspiracy theories and baseless election fraud claims get you banned from there. After Jan 6th, it's not shocking that they'd ban that shit.


It doesn't matter. You violate their TOS, you get banned. It applies to more than just Youtube. If you break your job's rules, you'll be fired, too. You can't have it both ways, and I re-read your post and you still don't explain it. You just want your fellow retards to be able to say whatever they want and not allow private companies to police their platforms. Boo hoo.

I am sorry your QAnon channel got you banned from Youtube, but I am still waiting to know what baseless conspiracy theories I believe in.
Never said that violating youtubes TOS makes you dumb and blind. Never mentioned QAnon either.

I said: "If increased protection for free speech would run contrary to youtubes terms of service obviously they'd either have to change those terms (and be fully allowed to enforce whatever new tos they had) or they'd have to take on greater accountability for whatever current tos they have in order to met the increased standards. Terms of service are not some unchangeable laws of nature you absolute nitwit, they are changed constantly."

What's so difficult to understand about that?

And social media (including youtube) manipulating what information you can receive makes you dumb and blind yes. You're the one obsessing about that having something to do with their TOS and random QAnon people, not me.

And I don't know what conspiracy theories you believe in. Which ones do I believe in? Do inform me.
 

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Never said that violating youtubes TOS makes you dumb and blind. Never mentioned QAnon either.

I said: "If increased protection for free speech would run contrary to youtubes terms of service obviously they'd either have to change those terms (and be fully allowed to enforce whatever new tos they had) or they'd have to take on greater accountability for whatever current tos they have in order to met the increased standards. Terms of service are not some unchangeable laws of nature you absolute nitwit, they are changed constantly."
Right, but you think that companies shouldn't be able to ban anyone for saying anyone. That means if someone goes into your store, you can't ban them for dropping the gamer word. Or for saying shit to employees. What you want is completely retarded.

And social media (including youtube) manipulating what information you can receive makes you dumb and blind yes. You're the one obsessing about that having something to do with their TOS and random QAnon people, not me.
They're not manipulating it, they just aren't allowing you to share certain things. Same reason why you can't go on FB and share porn or drop the gamerword. They realize that if you allow anyone to say anything, it makes people use it less, which affects their revenue.

And I don't know what conspiracy theories you believe in. Which ones do I believe in? Do inform me.
You are the one who said I believed in them when you accused me of being "blue anon". So please, tell me which conspiracy theories I believe in.

Your attempts to gaslight me are hilariously inept, though.
 

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That was before that was on their terms of service
They have a clause to retroactively delete channels and videos and have done it before, especially to send a message. I take it you aren’t aware of what H3 pulls behind the scenes with a video that was critical about him?
Citation needed

In case you can’t read the article:
Correction: Two months after publication of this story, the Georgia secretary of state released an audio recording of President Donald Trump’s December phone call with the state’s top elections investigator. The recording revealed that The Post misquoted Trump’s comments on the call, based on information provided by a source. Trump did not tell the investigator to “find the fraud” or say she would be “a national hero” if she did so. Instead, Trump urged the investigator to scrutinize ballots in Fulton County, Ga., asserting she would find “dishonesty” there. He also told her that she had “the most important job in the country right now.” A story about the recording can be found here. The headline and text of this story have been corrected to remove quotes misattributed to Trump.
 

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They have a clause to retroactively delete channels and videos and have done it before, especially to send a message. I take it you aren’t aware of what H3 pulls behind the scenes with a video that was critical about him?
Sorry you're upset that Youtube enforces their terms of service.


In case you can’t read the article:
Correction: Two months after publication of this story, the Georgia secretary of state released an audio recording of President Donald Trump’s December phone call with the state’s top elections investigator. The recording revealed that The Post misquoted Trump’s comments on the call, based on information provided by a source. Trump did not tell the investigator to “find the fraud” or say she would be “a national hero” if she did so. Instead, Trump urged the investigator to scrutinize ballots in Fulton County, Ga., asserting she would find “dishonesty” there. He also told her that she had “the most important job in the country right now.” A story about the recording can be found here. The headline and text of this story have been corrected to remove quotes misattributed to Trump.
They made a mistake and admitted it? OH MY GOD! I know it's hard for you right-wingers to accept, but some people admit when they made a mistake instead of doubling down. Lying is not the same as making a mistake.
 

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Right, but you think that companies shouldn't be able to ban anyone for saying anyone. That means if someone goes into your store, you can't ban them for dropping the gamer word. Or for saying shit to employees. What you want is completely retarded.


They're not manipulating it, they just aren't allowing you to share certain things. Same reason why you can't go on FB and share porn or drop the gamerword. They realize that if you allow anyone to say anything, it makes people use it less, which affects their revenue.


You are the one who said I believed in them when you accused me of being "blue anon". So please, tell me which conspiracy theories I believe in.

Your attempts to gaslight me are hilariously inept, though.
Never said companies shouldn't be able to ban anyone for saying anything either.

You can have a permissive degree of free speech without going full classic 4chan or whatever.

In fact if you recall when I mentioned that youtube should not be able to shadowban you, I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to remove your comment. I said they shouldn't remove it without telling you about it. Same goes for a channel.

Other stuff youtube should be legally required to do: If they ban your channel or ban you from using the platform they should have to tell you why.
Stuff that would be nice but maybe not required: If you've had a channel up for a certain amount of time and it's monetized and youtube wants to ban it, there should be a grace period so you have time to for example inform your fans and tell them they can go somewhere else, or at least download any videos you haven't backed up (though people should back up their videos).

And if you are not allowed to speak, I am not allowed to hear you. As a result we both hear and see less. It becomes easier to lie to us, we both become blind and stupid.

And I've already told you, I don't know what conspiracy theories you believe. But if you're this for walking trough life with a blindfold undoubtedly you have some nonsense you take for granted.

And "You're gaslighting me" is the excuse of the inept. Also ironic considering you're arguing big corpos should be allowed to gaslight you without issue cause 'they're not the government'.
 

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Sorry you're upset that Youtube enforces their terms of service
They don’t though, they’re very deliberate on who they punish and who they don’t. Do you know that YouTube in their TOS for no nudity for sexual gratification, yet there is a channel called nude yoga that is clearly sexual in nature but has yet to be removed? You clearly never watch anyone criticize the TOS on YouTube have you?
They made a mistake and admitted it? OH MY GOD! I know it's hard for you right-wingers to accept, but some people admit when they made a mistake instead of doubling down. Lying is not the same as making a mistake
So instead of correcting their mistake immediately, they waited two months? Let’s use your logic: what if you have wife and she cheated on you, lied about it for two months, then said ‘Honey I have a correction to make two months ago: I did cheat on you’
 

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They don’t though, they’re very deliberate on who they punish and who they don’t. Do you know that YouTube in their TOS for no nudity for sexual gratification, yet there is a channel called nude yoga that is clearly sexual in nature but has yet to be removed? You clearly never watch anyone criticize the TOS on YouTube have you?
They also allow medical examination videos because it's not in a sexual nature. They've determined they don't violate their TOS. Sorry that you're upset that a private company is being run as they see fit and that the government doesn't control everything. Why do you want communism?
So instead of correcting their mistake immediately, they waited two months? Let’s use your logic: what if you have wife and she cheated on you, lied about it for two months, then said ‘Honey I have a correction to make two months ago: I did cheat on you’
Maybe they didn't know until then? That would be a deliberate lie and not a mistake. Mistakes happen. If your cult leader had admitted to some mistakes, maybe he'd have won and your fellow cultists wouldn't have tried to overthrow democracy on Jan 6th, which lead to these changes?
 

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They also allow medical examination videos because it's not in a sexual nature
So yoga isn’t sexual in nature? The twitch thots who do yoga poses in skin tight pants clearly are just practicing it for their health then and not at all to gain simps.
Tell me, what’s medical about this?
Maybe they didn't know until then
They had the source, how the fuck does a multi-million dollar journalistic firm not know how to track sources? I have books written over a hundred years ago that have better first hand sources in my library than the entire staff at the Post if that’s the case.

Also where were the protestors that were supposed to show up in March? The ones the media and government were so afraid that they still have the NG there?
 
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So yoga isn’t sexual in nature? The twitch thots who do yoga poses in skin tight pants clearly are just practicing it for their health then and not at all to gain simps.
Tell me, what’s medical about this?
Youtube has found it doesn't violate their TOS. I don't know what else to tell you. Sorry that you are assblasted about that, but I don't know what to tell you. You want the government to restrict what companies can do, while I do not. I am not a commie.

They had the source, how the fuck does a multi-million dollar journalistic firm not know how to track sources? I have books written over a hundred years ago that have better first hand sources in my library than the entire staff at the Post if that’s the case.
Maybe they didn't notice it?

Also where were the protestors that were supposed to show up in March? The ones the media and government were so afraid that they still have the NG there?
How the fuck should I know? I am sure having the NG there ready to crack their QSkulls helped deter them.

It's amazing how you "small government" folks are totally fine with the government telling private companies how to run themselves. I am starting to think you're just upset that they're enforcing their TOS against your fellow Qtards and conspiracy nutjobs
 

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If anyone believes that Youtube are currently, or should ever be, consistent with their TOS they're deluding themselves.

That said I'd rather pick youtube over Twitch. At least you have to work pretty fucking hard to get banned, while Twitch will ban you for not having tits.
 

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Youtube has found it doesn't violate their TOS. I don't know what else to tell you. Sorry that you are assblasted about that, but I don't know what to tell you. You want the government to restrict what companies can do, while I do not. I am not a commie
It literally violates their own TOS, as it has nothing to do with health and it’s just a girl doing yoga naked with no explanation whatsoever. Stop being a dicksucker for a corporation. You know you can criticize these corporations and not be a commie right? Jesus Christ.
How the fuck should I know? I am sure having the NG there ready to crack their QSkulls helped deter them.
Yet it doesn’t stop Antifa from destroying Portland, maybe the “Qretards” are more respectful than the Antifa nerds?
It's amazing how you "small government" folks are totally fine with the government telling private companies how to run themselves. I am starting to think you're just upset that they're enforcing their TOS against your fellow Qtards and conspiracy nutjobs
Yeah, large neoliberal corporations that suck the teet of china and deliberately work with banking systems to censor and unperson someone if they have a different opinion. On top of that they don’t even want to hire Americans! I have been a contractor since 2018, have over 5 years of experience in my field of work, yet I had a HR rep told me that I am too expensive to hire and they’re opting for H1B! My god man, are you really this pathetic?? ‘Won’t someone please think of these billion dollar corporations??’
 

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It literally violates their own TOS, as it has nothing to do with health and it’s just a girl doing yoga naked with no explanation whatsoever. Stop being a dicksucker for a corporation. You know you can criticize these corporations and not be a commie right? Jesus Christ.
Youtube feels it doesn't violate their TOS, and it's their company. Why are you a communist?

Yet it doesn’t stop Antifa from destroying Portland, maybe the “Qretards” are more respectful than the Antifa nerds?
Maybe Antifa are just braver than your fellow Qtards

Yeah, large neoliberal corporations that suck the teet of china and deliberately work with banking systems to censor and unperson someone if they have a different opinion. On top of that they don’t even want to hire Americans! I have been a contractor since 2018, have over 5 years of experience in my field of work, yet I had a HR rep told me that I am too expensive to hire and they’re opting for H1B! My god man, are you really this pathetic?? ‘Won’t someone please think of these billion dollar corporations??’
You just want the government controlling everything, I see. We will have to differ because I am not a commie like you
 

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Youtube feels it doesn't violate their TOS, and it's their company. Why are you a communist?


Maybe Antifa are just braver than your fellow Qtards


You just want the government controlling everything, I see. We will have to differ because I am not a commie like you
Also, when reddit bans a sub and posts a "this sub was banned for hate" they should be legally required to allow the admins or moderators of the sub to post a rebuttal. No more of this "WE ARE TOTES BANNING YOU FOR THIS REASON LALALALA" bullshit.
 

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Also, when reddit bans a sub and posts a "this sub was banned for hate" they should be legally required to allow the admins or moderators of the sub to post a rebuttal. No more of this "WE ARE TOTES BANNING YOU FOR THIS REASON LALALALA" bullshit.
I think we found out why you're so assblasted. What subreddit did you get banned from?
 

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