Do you think that human beings are just naturally violent? -

[Gene Starwind]

All day everyday, Western society tries to find ways to stop various forms intense violence , dedicating itself to finding the root causes and putting and end to it.

But, honestly...........I feel like humans are just naturally inclined to a certain level of violence no matter who we are or what our upbringing and environment is. Violence can be mitigated and lessened, but it's a slow process and I don't it can ever truly be fixed.

 

[AnOminous]

Our propensity for violence accounts for our evolutionary success.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

There is a reason an assload of male children develop an interest in professional wrestling. I've never heard anyone talk about it or do an actual study but it has been like this since wrestling was broadcast on television, way before the soap opera story lines. Boys like violence.

I always wondered what would happen if you showed televised wrestling to young chimps, bonobos and gorillas. I suspect you'd wind up losing your funding after the animals started attacking each other with suplexes and jumping off the top rope.

 

[Gene Starwind]

Our propensity for violence accounts for our evolutionary success.

Yeah, I can definitely agree with that., we never would have made I as far as we have without some level of physical conditioning.

Not all violence is good though, and can actually contribute to degeneracy in people. It's a slippery slope.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Evolutionary speaking we're somewhere between chimpanzees and bonobos. Chimpanzees solve their disputes by ripping faces off. Bonobos do it by "doing it." Make of that what you will.

 

[SpessCaptain]

I don't know, maybe? I mean no one wants to be in a warzone seeing everyone around them die but everyone likes to see a nice old rumble, it just appeals to everyone on that level of entertainment. As I see it, conflict is wasteful, humans like any other animal will take the path of least resistance but we're willing to go an extra mile if we see a reason too, so no humanity will not become violent if there's no reason to.

I guess we're violent to things that compete with us: either for resources, social status or because our leaders tell us to, battle is glorified and honorable, so obviously we hold violence in good regard no matter which culture. Just as long as "we're" winning.

There is a reason an assload of male children develop an interest in professional wrestling.

Play is important for development of other skills for the adult world, its worth knowing how to defend yourself, this is why also children wrestle with eachother. Girls fight too, believe it or not, but it isn't socially acceptable and not physically their thing

 

[Gene Starwind]

Evolutionary speaking we're somewhere between chimpanzees and bonobos. Chimpanzees solve their disputes by ripping faces off. Bonobos do it by "doing it." Make of that what you will.

Seriously?

If that's the case, I think I'd rather we start getting in touch with the more bonobo side of settling arguments.

Just imagine what that would look like with humans.........

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

Seriously?

If that's the case, I think I'd rather we start getting in touch with the more bonobo side of settling arguments.

Just imagine what that would look like with humans.........

Kind of shown on a human scale in the prison shower. If there's a conflict, someone's either getting beaten or fucked.

 

[Gene Starwind]

I don't know, maybe? I mean no one wants to be in a warzone seeing everyone around them die but everyone likes to see a nice old rumble, it just appeals to everyone on that level of entertainment. As I see it, conflict is wasteful, humans like any other animal will take the path of least resistance but we're willing to go an extra mile if we see a reason too, so no humanity will not become violent if there's no reason to.

I guess we're violent to things that compete with us: either for resources, social status or because our leaders tell us to, battle is glorified and honorable, so obviously we hold violence in good regard no matter which culture. Just as long as "we're" winning.


Play is important for development of other skills for the adult world, its worth knowing how to defend yourself, this is why also children wrestle with eachother. Girls fight too, believe it or not, but it isn't socially acceptable and not physically their thing

Yes, no one in the modern world is ever actually happy about engaging in war (besides Adam Lanza-types) but it is viewed as a necessary force maintain balance.

And I think that's WHY it's glorified; it's a gruesome necessity that must be performed, so society has no choice but to honor it.

 

[LD 3187]

Yes.

 

[Gene Starwind]

Kind of shown on a human scale in the prison shower. If there's a conflict, someone's either getting beaten or fucked.

Prison is really just a bunch of Bonobos; it's interesting how people quickly turn animalistic once they're outside"normal" society.

All that's really left for them to do is start flinging their own shit at each other.

Yes.

Well, that's good answer.

 

[Picklepower]

Aggression is normal, and can be channeled in various ways, good or bad. I think most people are not filled with excessive rage.

 

[Gene Starwind]

Aggression is normal, and can be channeled in various ways, good or bad. I think most people are not filled with excessive rage.

You'd be surprised at how people can act when pushed too far.

 

[Picklepower]

Humans are capable of many emotions, are you asking if there is an imbalance of violent people in relation to non violent people? or is the question just "is violence a natural occurence in humans?"

 

[Gene Starwind]

Humans are capable of many emotions, are you asking if there is an imbalance of violent people in relation to non violent people? or is the question just "is violence a natural occurence in humans?"

My question is the latter, basically; are human beings just naturally violent period? It seems when you strip most people away from the confines and inhibitions of a regular community or civilization, there's always bound to be skyrockets in extreme violence, whereas in the former realm, violence is looked at as more of a cautionary action that should only be done when necessary. yet violence which isn't of that nature still persists there as well.

No matter what, does it not seem as though unjustified violence it's a simple fact of life?

 

[AnOminous]

Prison is really just a bunch of Bonobos; it's interesting how people quickly turn animalistic once they're outside"normal" society.

All that's really left for them to do is start flinging their own shit at each other.

They do exactly that. There's something called a "stinger" where they mix piss and shit and let it age for a while, then throw it in someone's eyes. It's often done to guards by prisoners who throw it through the bars.

 

[Gene Starwind]

They do exactly that. There's something called a "stinger" where they mix piss and shit and let it age for a while, then throw it in someone's eyes. It's often done to guards by prisoners who throw it through the bars.

Holy fucking shit, that would be the best thing to ever see on a prison documentary.

 

[r00]

Pretty much yeah. We certainly arent supernaturally violent.

And it depends on what you mean by "violent". There are a several animals that we know of that commit acts of intentional rampant destruction, seemingly with no personal reward other than enjoyment. Some apes bully others for fun. Same with dolphins. Plenty of animals act spitefully and aggressively when provoked, and sometimes humans do too.
Thankfully, we have a system of laws so that most instances of human aggression dont end up with one of the parties getting mauled and eaten. Somehow this is seen as less utilitarian I guess, so more reprehensible. I dont know. Other animals get a pass, but humans dont. We expect ourselves to be civilised creatures, and often forget that deep down we are just smartass animals. Being civilized and enlightened is definitely not our natural state. If you raise a kid poorly, they'll basically turn feral.

We have more complex emotions than most animals so we categorise our violent behaviour and try to look for abstract ways of justifying it. Other animals just do what they do to get by, but we have that silly lil thing called "civilization" to make us feel ashamed when our emotions get the better of us and we chimp out.

 

[Bassomatic]

Many of us are typing using nuclear power to power our homes. Why do we have that? Because we wanted to kill people dead. We just found other uses after we killed people dead.

Violence is our nature.

 

[XYZpdq]

I suspect you'd wind up losing your funding after the animals started attacking each other with suplexes and jumping off the top rope.

At that point you sell iPPVs and you have unlimited funding.

Spoiler: also, like many things, Trek addresses this