Does anyone else actually like Chris? -

[Male]

Chris isn't gonna read your posts.

 

[Watcher]

Chris isn't gonna read your posts.

Nor would he care

http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/White_Knight

If you try to white knight him, his response is merely to block you on YouTube, AIM or any other messenger service and never respond. He accuses practically all white knights of being trolls. Quite ironic, isn't it? He screams "I'M STRAIGHT!" when you tell him up front that you're a guy. When you tell him his current "girlfriend" is actually a troll, he'll accuse you of wanting to "break up the relationship for the lulz." He'll be rude, won't listen and won't read between the lines. He will always bite the hand that feeds him, so you should just let him wallow in his own self loathing.

Chris doesn't treat his (perceived) fans much better. Even aside from the SonichuIzCool incident mentioned above, Chris has severe problems answering questions from his fans (or trolls who pretend to be positive fans), and will often react in a hostile manner to everything he sees as negative or offensive. His Mailbag is the most obvious example. He hates being corrected, and tenaciously clings to his misinformed beliefs; his insistence that Asperger's Syndrome and autism are unrelated is a good example of this. When or if he's having a good day and manages to answer questions from fans at all, he often gives them very brief, one or two word answers that do not elaborate on anything, or outright ignore parts of the question. Not only is he terse, he's also slow to act; for example, it took him three days to realize that a video he uploaded was seriously broken. He also promised that a spectacular fan creation would be officially featured in the Sonichu comic — and it ultimately was, over a year later.
Most webcomics have a specific schedule that they have decided to follow. Many webcomics fail to live up to them – some less, some more; some for good reasons, some have no excuse whatsoever. Chris didn't have a set schedule for the comic for the longest time, but then agreed to update the comic on a daily basis, a schedule which even the most well-funded webcomic artists would consider particularly demanding. In February and March 2010, there have been few updates to the comic. When the inevitable complaints about schedule slip started to come, Chris snapped at his fans by saying that inspiration takes its time, forgetting that it was he who decided daily updates were the way to go. As the "Great Director Chandler", he could have the power to decide what schedule to follow, but instead, he chose to attack his fans.

 

[James Ashbeck]

Haha jeez. Way to completely dodge responding to any points.

If I was talking to someone in real life and they said "well you're an idiot" in the middle of a debate, I'd just walk away. I wouldn't really consider it worth my time to respond to their points.

Isn't "be civil" one of the rules here? I know the points that I am making are really radical, from the perspective of most here, but I am trying to do it in a civil way. It would be good if that went both ways.

Chris isn't gonna read your posts.

I'm not sure why you assume that my goal is to communicate with him.

 

[Bgheff]

Haha jeez. Way to completely dodge responding to any points.

If I was talking to someone in real life and they said "well you're an idiot" in the middle of a debate, I'd just walk away. I wouldn't really consider it worth my time to respond to their points.

Isn't "be civil" one of the rules here? I know the points that I am making are really radical, from the perspective of most here, but I am trying to do it in a civil way. It would be good if that went both ways.

You aren't doing a very good job of being civil. You are a new poster who's been attacking people with the majority of your posts. I suggest settling down and not asking like a sperg. the fact that your nearly half the posts in this topic says a lot. Stop trolling.

 

[The Dude]

Anna, no one buys your spiel. I didn't buy it when I met you at the hospital and I don't buy it now. There are people who have met him IRL that know better. Megan anyone? You've got this weird hybrid of Stockholm Syndrome/Munchhausen By Proxy that's skewed your perception of reality. Get help.

 

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Making a ridiculous, comic death threat to a fictional character on YouTube isn't anywhere near as fucked up or morally wrong as pretending to be someone's girlfriend just to hurt their feelings. They are both pathetic, but the latter is so much more pathetic. It's not just "making fun of an idiot on the internet". It's cruel. And Chris has never been cruel.

Don't bother responding back to this, James, as I'm going to be heading off in a bit and probably won't be able to respond back until tomorrow night, but where does drawing comics where Chris depicts himself shooting people in the legs, or having a mock trial and horribly torturing and murdering four people, fall under this method of thinking? Or depicting his at-the-time friend being fingerbanged by him and posting it on the internet without even asking consent? Or wishing death about people from years past for continuing on with their lives and finding their own happiness? Where does this all fall in?

 

[The Dude]

Because making fun of an idiot on the internet is worse than threatening to brutally murder someone

Making a ridiculous, comic death threat to a fictional character on YouTube isn't anywhere near as fucked up or morally wrong as pretending to be someone's girlfriend just to hurt their feelings. They are both pathetic, but the latter is so much more pathetic. It's not just "making fun of an idiot on the internet". It's cruel. And Chris has never been cruel.

And that fake girlfriend met him IRL and he spent the whole time staring at her tits, groped her, and kissed her against her will. So pretending to be a girlfriend is worse than sexual harassment and molestation, right?

 

[James Ashbeck]

You aren't doing a very good job of being civil. You are a new poster who's been attacking people with the majority of your posts. I suggest settling down and not asking like a sperg. the fact that your nearly half the posts in this topic says a lot. Stop trolling.

I haven't attacked anyone with my posts. I've just been defending my points. I have been attacked on a personal level a couple of times though. Obviously that isn't a big deal, but I haven't been calling anyone an idiot. The closest I've come to attacking anyone is posting that "badass" meme, but that was just a bit of laughs and banter, as was (I assume) the post I was responding to.

I did indeed write nearly half of the posts in this topic, because I have taken the time to respond to the points that people have made. Considering that I'm the only person on my side of the debate, I'm not sure how else it should be a balanced discussion?

I can sympathize with the fact that this might look like trolling to you. I am a new poster, and I have posted a topic that I knew would be contentious. But I've not posted anything that I didn't believe.

 

[The Dude]

Making a ridiculous, comic death threat to a fictional character on YouTube isn't anywhere near as fucked up or morally wrong as pretending to be someone's girlfriend just to hurt their feelings. They are both pathetic, but the latter is so much more pathetic. It's not just "making fun of an idiot on the internet". It's cruel. And Chris has never been cruel.

Don't bother responding back to this, James, as I'm going to be heading off in a bit and probably won't be able to respond back until tomorrow night, but where does drawing comics where Chris depicts himself shooting people in the legs, or having a mock trial and horribly torturing and murdering four people, fall under this method of thinking? Or depicting his at-the-time friend being fingerbanged by him and posting it on the internet without even asking consent? Or wishing death about people from years past for continuing on with their lives and finding their own happiness? Where does this all fall in?

Or demanding his Facebook friends to MURDER someone's real girlfriend out of jealousy over a photograph being taken of Chris?

 

[TastyWoodenBadge]

I don't necessarily like Chris as a person, but I don't wish anything bad on him, in fact I hope he gets the help he needs (even though chances are very slim)

 

[James Ashbeck]

Anna, no one buys your spiel. I didn't buy it when I met you at the hospital and I don't buy it now. There are people who have met him IRL that know better. Megan anyone? You've got this weird hybrid of Stockholm Syndrome/Munchhausen By Proxy that's skewed your perception of reality. Get help.

Honestly man, I'm not Anna. I don't hold the same beliefs as she does. Among many other differences.

Usually when people accuse me of being a woman on the internet (it happens a lot when you express a non-misogynist belief on 4Chan) I post a timestamped pic of my big manly hands. I suspect that might not work if you're pretending not to be Anna though. She seems like she might have pretty chunky paws herself.

 

[Dork Of Ages]

I do have to kinda agree with James that maybe we are getting a bit ad hominem and assuming things here.

But believing that Chris is a likable character is really naive thinking.

 

[The Dude]

Anna, no one buys your spiel. I didn't buy it when I met you at the hospital and I don't buy it now. There are people who have met him IRL that know better. Megan anyone? You've got this weird hybrid of Stockholm Syndrome/Munchhausen By Proxy that's skewed your perception of reality. Get help.

Honestly man, I'm not Anna. I don't hold the same beliefs as she does. Among many other differences.

Usually when people accuse me of being a woman on the internet (it happens a lot when you express a non-misogynist belief on 4Chan) I post a timestamped pic of my big manly MANOS. I suspect that might not work if you're pretending not to be Anna though. She seems like she might have pretty chunky paws herself.

Exactly what I'd expect you to say, Anna.

 

[Watcher]

Anna, no one buys your spiel. I didn't buy it when I met you at the hospital and I don't buy it now. There are people who have met him IRL that know better. Megan anyone? You've got this weird hybrid of Stockholm Syndrome/Munchhausen By Proxy that's skewed your perception of reality. Get help.

Honestly man, I'm not Anna. I don't hold the same beliefs as she does. Among many other differences.

Usually when people accuse me of being a woman on the internet (it happens a lot when you express a non-misogynist belief on 4Chan) I post a timestamped pic of my big manly MANOS. I suspect that might not work if you're pretending not to be Anna though. She seems like she might have pretty chunky paws herself.

Exactly what I'd expect you to say, Anna.

Didn't Anna have really huge MANOS? I'm pretty sure it'd just be proving your point Dude

 

[James Ashbeck]

And that fake girlfriend met him IRL and he spent the whole time staring at her tits, groped her, and kissed her against her will. So pretending to be a girlfriend is worse than sexual harassment and molestation, right?

It's worse than what Chris did, definitely. The way that you have written it makes it seem much more grave than it actually was.

Like I've said a few times though, it doesn't mean Chris was right to do that. But what she did was worse.

Also, although it seems ridiculous, I'm happy to prove I'm not Anna through any reasonable method that you choose.

 

[Bgheff]

As for his likeablility, I would say back in the classic Chris day he was likeable. He's still entertaining today, but his life revolves around his anger. While it does look like he bounces back from girlfriends, his issues with Megan, a real female who interacted with him, shows he didn't get over it.

He no longer writes lame stories or makes horrible jokes are is cocky because of his fame. Every contact he makes with the outside world is one of anger and resentment. As he is now, he isn't likeable. This is part of why he is miserable.

I don't see why bringing up the fact that some trolls were jerks has any meaning to why Chris isn't a good guy. They may have hasted his life path, but Chris was always going to end up this way because of his unreasonable life expectations.

 

[MrTroll]

Making a ridiculous, comic death threat to a fictional character on YouTube isn't anywhere near as fucked up or morally wrong as pretending to be someone's girlfriend just to hurt their feelings. They are both pathetic, but the latter is so much more pathetic. It's not just "making fun of an idiot on the internet". It's cruel. And Chris has never been cruel.

Don't bother responding back to this, James, as I'm going to be heading off in a bit and probably won't be able to respond back until tomorrow night, but where does drawing comics where Chris depicts himself shooting people in the legs, or having a mock trial and horribly torturing and murdering four people, fall under this method of thinking? Or depicting his at-the-time friend being fingerbanged by him and posting it on the internet without even asking consent? Or wishing death about people from years past for continuing on with their lives and finding their own happiness? Where does this all fall in?

Or his appalling treatment of other autistics (i.e. Sonichuizcool) for that matter.

I can see how a reasonable, if naive, person might brush this stuff off because of Chris's autism (although the topic creator insisted that he's not giving Chris a pass because of his autism), or his shitty upbringing, or his lack of sufficient socialization, or his being bullied, or whatever other excuses might come up, but it's a huge fucking stretch to go from that to endorsing Chris's personality (or what passes for it). At best, all this stuff is merely a defense for why he doesn't deserve to be condemned as a miserable excuse for a human being.

 

[The Dude]

And that fake girlfriend met him IRL and he spent the whole time staring at her tits, groped her, and kissed her against her will. So pretending to be a girlfriend is worse than sexual harassment and molestation, right?

It's worse than what Chris did, definitely. The way that you have written it makes it seem much more grave than it actually was.

Like I've said a few times though, it doesn't mean Chris was right to do that. But what she did was worse.

Also, although it seems ridiculous, I'm happy to prove I'm not Anna through any reasonable method that you choose.

Yeah? Well that's just, like, uh...your opinion, man.

He gave her an infection that required several weeks of painful treatment. Sexual harassment and molestation is far worse than teasing some waterhead.



Like you couldn't fake it, Anna. Just like faking being a lesbian so Chris wouldn't hit on you.

 

[James Ashbeck]

As for his likeablility, I would say back in the classic Chris day he was likeable. He's still entertaining today, but his life revolves around his anger. While it does look like he bounces back from girlfriends, his issues with Megan, a real female who interacted with him, shows he didn't get over it.

He no longer writes lame stories or makes horrible jokes are is cocky because of his fame. Every contact he makes with the outside world is one of anger and resentment. As he is now, he isn't likeable. This is part of why he is miserable.

I don't see why bringing up the fact that some trolls were jerks has any meaning to why Chris isn't a good guy. They may have hasted his life path, but Chris was always going to end up this way because of his unreasonable life expectations.

I agree that Chris was much more likable in the past. Most of my defenses of Chris are based on my perception of "Classic Chris". I think the way he has treated Michael Snyder is the worst thing about him, and that is a recent thing. I still think he's not as bad as people make him out to be on here though.

I disagree that Chris was always going to end up this way. He was always going to be a clown, but a fundamental distrust of all humanity is definitely a direct result of his experiences at the hands of the trolls.

 

[Lefty's Revenge]

Dude or girl, you failed at your very first point: "Firstly, he's hilarious. I think we can all get behind this. He's one of the funniest comic characters I've ever seen."

No. He's not hilarious, he's pathetic and depressing, he's painful to watch, what's so hilarious about a person who's destroying himself just because his ego and stupidity combined doesn't let him improve even a bit? damaging him more and more as the times passes? what's so hilarious about a person that only has two possible finals, death or jail? (three, if you count being institutionalized in a mental hospital).

I dunno, Bunny. You're gonna tell me with a straight face Chris has never made you laugh?

"Look, everyone's different. Sometimes we poop ourselves..."

"GERMAN WARFARE BITCH"

"GAS IS EXPENSIVE"

The infamous internet lumberjack incident??? Yeah, sure it was mostly bob. But if the idea of an elderly man walking in on his autistic son having cybersex screaming "GET AWAY FROM THAT INTERNET I'M CUTTIN IT DOWN" doesn't at least make you grin than you may not even have a soul.

Granted alot of 2013 Chris is overshadowed by the harsh realities of his lifestyle. But sometimes you've got to laugh to keep from crying.