Does anyone else genuinely miss the 2000s?

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As said, it seems like after the '00s, there was a year of rapture and 2012 doomering as well as Occupy, then a year of rising woke, then a year of Orange Man Bad, and then BAM! Shit hitting the fan of 2020...

:thinking:

(at least this way the '00s may not seem too long ago)
At this point, I'm convinced that 2012 really was the end of the world and it's just being done in a mix of slow burn and blueballing.
 

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As said, it seems like after the '00s, there was a year of rapture and 2012 doomering as well as Occupy, then a year of rising woke, then a year of Orange Man Bad, and then BAM! Shit hitting the fan of 2020...

:thinking:

(at least this way the '00s may not seem too long ago)
I miss being able to chimp out about Dubya without the slightest trace of self-awareness and do shit that I now laugh at people for doing about politics.
 

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Well on a lighter note, you-know-what really started to die off as the decade began? Practical effects in movies. Ever since t2 in 91 and Jurassic Park in 93 cgi kept being used more and more but at least through the 90s and into the early 2000s you still had plenty of animatronics and makeup effects working with cgi, not being replaced by it.


Look at movies that got released in say 2001 up to around 2005. Jurassic Park 3 still had plenty of puppets including the largest animatronic ever with the spinosuarus, while mummy returns lives on in infamy for the cgi rock scorpion king it still used some decent makeup and stunt work. Compared to the Tom Cruise mummy reboot in 2015.

It's hard to say exacty where cgi completely took over to where we see it in every major Hollywood production now to the point where it's dull and boring, some would say it started with the later two star wars prequels, others say it was Micheal bay's first transformers movie. Personally I think it started after 2d animation in movies finally died in 2004-2005, once that was replaced by 3d cgi, practical special effects in live action movies was next.
I think a big transition was the Pirates of The Caribbean sequels, the fact that Davy Jones and his crew were all CGI and in reality just guys in grey suits blew everyone's minds and convinced Hollywood that practical effects were now totally obsolete, what once would have been done with make up effects and costuming was now all CGI and was virtually indistinguishable from the real thing, but this also was thanks to the talent of ILM and the tone that set later led to crap like The Thing reboot where the studio ditched the practical effects and replaced it with terrible looking CGI and that was half a decade later, so clearly it wasn't a universal leap.

But the thing about Pirates of The Caribbean is people still actually cared about the characters or at least Captain Jack, the really bad transition was Michael Bay's Transformers, that was the first time a movie was entirely sold on ogling CGI spectacle, nobody cared about the story, the characters or even the actors, unlike say Armageddon which had big names stars like Bruce Willis, nobody cared about Shia Labeouf in 2007.

Yeah it was a nostalgic property, but none of the actual fans of the old Transformers liked the movie because the robots looked nothing like the old ones, it wasn't the fact that it was called "Transformers" that made it the hit that it was, it was purely the effects and with that the summer blockbuster was effectively killed in a fundamental way, it truly became the "special effects pornography" David Foster Wallace accused them of being after T2.

The great recession is what killed the, "You too can own a little house with a white-picket fence" narrative.
And with that, coupled with the Iraq war being another Vietnam style debacle, the American dream in a fundamental way died, a lot of people deep down inside soured on the US and things only stayed relatively calm for a while longer because the left put all their hopes in Obama and his ability to "save us" but when that didn't happen either now there's an ever growing movement to completely dismantle the US and refashion it into a fundamentally different country by the left, including wiping away any and all respect for the Founding Fathers, the flag, the Constitution, Democracy itself, the US as a very basic concept in any way, shape or form, they want it gone, pulled down, burned down, paved over, you name it, they want it wiped away and the Earth salted on the very idea of "America"

In my opinion America is something that should fixed and not demolished, but not that's Woke enough.

Don't think it'll stop at just tearing down life sized statues, they'll be tearing down the statue of liberty one day if they can, they'll be unironically saying "freedom is racism" one day, the political left is now 100% diametrically opposed to the US, they're a renegade faction now, not just another way of looking at how to run the country.

One thing I ironically miss is Twilight. The hate train on that was the last real moment when everyone could just laugh at something being retarded.
Today they'd play the woman card, the fact that (at least the first movie) was directed by a woman, based on a book by a woman and starring an actress and geared toward a female audience they'd be playing the "it's sexist to say this sucks" card for all that it's worth if Twilight came out today.

At this point, I'm convinced that 2012 really was the end of the world and it's just being done in a mix of slow burn and blueballing.
I unironically think about that idea a lot.
 

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You know the latest Joker from that recent Joker movie? Although I haven't seen the movie, I see him as a representation of Clown World "society" - or those treated like dirt in it. Or that one clown going insane in a subway train. I suppose Mega Clown World "society" could be represented by them wearing "face masks".

I wonder if the world will ever not suck someday.
 

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Yeah it was a nostalgic property, but none of the actual fans of the old Transformers liked the movie because the robots looked nothing like the old ones, it wasn't the fact that it was called "Transformers" that made it the hit that it was, it was purely the effects and with that the summer blockbuster was effectively killed in a fundamental way, it truly became the "special effects pornography" David Foster Wallace accused them of being after T2.
The Transformers of the first film actually do look like their g1 counterparts for the most part, but to the untrained eye it might not immediately obvious with all the hyper-cgi detailing shit going on. Optimus looks like a lankier optimus, that's basic. megatron's a bit stranger because He's based on the sillouette of megatron's head repurposed into a gnashing space bugman head to fit the alien bug theme the designers were going for with the decepticons, bumblebee does this too to a much less obvious degree. Jazz looks like g1 jazz almost but painted all silver and isn't the same car, and dorito lord starscream's head seems to be a reference to waspinator of all fucking things. As the bayverse films went on shit got more name-slappy to an inexcusable degree in the later entries, and then there's the weird retroactive shit that went down, like how devastator on the merch was named brawl because I guess by the time the movie came out they managed to get an actual devastator combiner in the plans for the second movie. There's absolute dogshit going on with the bay transformers movies but the character designs in the early ones despite being visual clusterfucks are elaborately thought out visual clusterfucks.

The shit about Pirates of the carribean is pretty fucking accurate, but Thing is pirates of the carribean, lord of the rings, and the harry potter movie with dobby in it had one thing in common: they actually put in a fuckload of effort with the cgi to make it blend with the sets and actor footage. Pirates of the carribean was a fucking DISNEY produced movie and it's cgi was miles better than the shit disney puts out now with it's expensive as fuck yet soulless live action remakes. Sure there's some small cheats in Pirates like skeleton curse only taking place at night when the moon hits their skin helping hide the cg-ness of the zombie effect but by the second movie they started nailing the actor/cgi fishmen parts mix going on. Cgi went from a kinda weird janky looking thing sometimes in movies to a tool capable of being masterfully implimented to the film seamlessly with a godly chunk of effort to where we've been the last few years. The "we replaced our sets with greenscreens and the actors are also replaced with cgi sometimes" method that they don't even put forth an effort to make fully seamless lighting-wise half the time, and they overuse cgi to the point where easily filmable animals have been replaced with gross looking cgi versions, like the fucking snake in the beginning of live action disney dumbo or the dalmations in the fucking joker knockoff movie cruella.

The 2000s were kinda a sweet spot where aesthetics were key and people actually tried their best to translate things to as close as they could get to reality. Speaking of animation and reality...
These commercial bumpers were fucking masterful at combining 2d animation and 3d sets. Every once and a while I see something of this level of effort but it's very rare these days.
 
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Memes from the '00s are like good Simpsons episodes - still quotable to this day.

There doesn't seem to be that many memorable memes from the '10s and on.
With how many 2000s memes got fucking killed by reddit and knowyourmeme I've been actually surprised by the fact that some 00s memes somehow slipped through the cracks and died a peaceful death, some cases being completely memory-holed and ending up as lost content. Sometimes I bring these memes up in conversation and at least %0.1 of the times I do people actually know or remember the things despite some of them breaching significant popularity on a shitload of imageboard sites and forums back in the day. Small miracles are possible, but at a price, I guess.
 

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Reading the last two pages about Obama, the turn after 2012, the use of CGI and the loss of confidence after 2008, has left me thinking that we have lost Beauty and the confidence of aspiring to beauty.

If we look at all of the creations through-out time, they've always aimed for an aesthetic of beauty. Be it displaying beauty (Mona Lisa, cysteine chapel, loads of statues) or questioning beauty (The scream, dahli with his melting clocks or even the big shark in formaldehyde).

Nowadays it seems to me that we avoid the universal subject of beauty and instead are aiming for (I'm too dumb to know the proper word so i'll go with Blasphamy/Subversion/the intelligence to appreciate?). Films and art don't seem to be created with universal, human questions or subjects - like beauty, and are instead focuses on individual or group-specific topics and ideas. Almost a 'gentrification' of art and it's friends.

Maybe someone with more brains could reword that idea in to something more coherent
 

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I posted a link to this video earlier that someone made about beauty:
Interesting. I see ugly and hideous as perversion of Beauty, as a counter-culture to what is beautiful. Like how are went from realistic interpretations of scenes, to picasso (abstract is it called?) They're both sides of the same coin.

What i see nowadays is a different coin entirely. Where beauty and anti-beauty isn't discussed at all. Maybe the coin is now Truth? Where the aesthetic displays are replaced by Truths and anti-truths?
 

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Interesting. I see ugly and hideous as perversion of Beauty, as a counter-culture to what is beautiful. Like how are went from realistic interpretations of scenes, to picasso (abstract is it called?) They're both sides of the same coin.

What i see nowadays is a different coin entirely. Where beauty and anti-beauty isn't discussed at all. Maybe the coin is now Truth? Where the aesthetic displays are replaced by Truths and anti-truths?
You clearly haven't been on a waifu war. Such philosophical musings on beauty!
 

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The Transformers of the first film actually do look like their g1 counterparts for the most part, but to the untrained eye it might not immediately obvious with all the hyper-cgi detailing shit going on. Optimus looks like a lankier optimus, that's basic. megatron's a bit stranger because He's based on the sillouette of megatron's head repurposed into a gnashing space bugman head to fit the alien bug theme the designers were going for with the decepticons, bumblebee does this too to a much less obvious degree. Jazz looks like g1 jazz almost but painted all silver and isn't the same car, and dorito lord starscream's head seems to be a reference to waspinator of all fucking things. As the bayverse films went on shit got more name-slappy to an inexcusable degree in the later entries, and then there's the weird retroactive shit that went down, like how devastator on the merch was named brawl because I guess by the time the movie came out they managed to get an actual devastator combiner in the plans for the second movie. There's absolute dogshit going on with the bay transformers movies but the character designs in the early ones despite being visual clusterfucks are elaborately thought out visual clusterfucks.

The shit about Pirates of the carribean is pretty fucking accurate, but Thing is pirates of the carribean, lord of the rings, and the harry potter movie with dobby in it had one thing in common: they actually put in a fuckload of effort with the cgi to make it blend with the sets and actor footage. Pirates of the carribean was a fucking DISNEY produced movie and it's cgi was miles better than the shit disney puts out now with it's expensive as fuck yet soulless live action remakes. Sure there's some small cheats in Pirates like skeleton curse only taking place at night when the moon hits their skin helping hide the cg-ness of the zombie effect but by the second movie they started nailing the actor/cgi fishmen parts mix going on. Cgi went from a kinda weird janky looking thing sometimes in movies to a tool capable of being masterfully implimented to the film seamlessly with a godly chunk of effort to where we've been the last few years. The "we replaced our sets with greenscreens and the actors are also replaced with cgi sometimes" method that they don't even put forth an effort to make fully seamless lighting-wise half the time, and they overuse cgi to the point where easily filmable animals have been replaced with gross looking cgi versions, like the fucking snake in the beginning of live action disney dumbo or the dalmations in the fucking joker knockoff movie cruella.

The 2000s were kinda a sweet spot where aesthetics were key and people actually tried their best to translate things to as close as they could get to reality. Speaking of animation and reality...
These commercial bumpers were fucking masterful at combining 2d animation and 3d sets. Every once and a while I see something of this level of effort but it's very rare these days.
I literally never heard not one word but people complaining about the robot designs back then, I mean if that's your opinion on it then fine but no one else thought that.

Memes from the '00s are like good Simpsons episodes - still quotable to this day.

There doesn't seem to be that many memorable memes from the '10s and on.
The whole Sneed meme is pretty close to 2000s quality.
 

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You know the latest Joker from that recent Joker movie? Although I haven't seen the movie, I see him as a representation of Clown World "society" - or those treated like dirt in it. Or that one clown going insane in a subway train. I suppose Mega Clown World "society" could be represented by them wearing "face masks".

I wonder if the world will ever not suck someday.
Remember, the vast majority of normies may not have even encountered a wild SJW and even if they have, the vast majority couldn't give a shit less about them and their bullshit, and if they see some dangerhair weirdo ranting and raving about crazy bullshit, just ignore them. You mainly encounter these freaks if you inadvertently wander into one of their hives, or if you just like smacking them around in culture war shit for the sheer hell of it.

You can really limit your exposure to the worst of the Clown World shit by simply ignoring it, outside of a few environments like media or academe where it's inescapable. Even there you can keep your head down or, if you're so inclined, deliberately piss them off. And unless you're dumb enough to just go around saying nigger this faggot that, it's fairly easy to stay behind the line where you get disciplined or otherwise fucked with, while still driving them fucking nuts.

It's fairly easy to come across to any neutrals as being completely calm and rational while they collapse into shrieking fits of tard rage.
 

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I honestly remember back in the 2000s how normal things were compared to now. I had that optimistic mindset growing up in the 2000s mainly because times were so simple back then. Even back in that time, It felt like it was a completely different world. I never even heard of the term Social Justice Warrior until 2014 and ever since I heard the term, shortly after, they're everywhere. Then there was Black Lives Matter, and then Antifa and probably more cults of these faggot pests ranging both extremes of the political spectrum. Seems interesting how we didn't take into account that 2012 begins a slow apocalypse with every year progressively than exponentially getting worse and worse. How I worried about much less back in the day. Never felt so paranoid then.
 

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Ever subsequent President will be more LGBTP friendly cause they're pushing the agenda harder every year.

Even back in the '00s before Clown World, one could be called a "bigot" for doubting that homosexual relationships are the same as heterosexual ones. But now in Current Year, one may be called a "white supremacist Nazi bigot" and get "cancelled" for merely questioning homosexuality or "gender identity".
 

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Interesting set of comments from a recent article here- comments were discussing the stagnation of Japan since the 90s:

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Interesting notion on how the Anglosphere largely still deludes itself that its cultural output is still 'good', while everyone sort of subconsciously knows that pop culture has generally gone to the weeds across the world.
 

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Interesting set of comments from a recent article here- comments were discussing the stagnation of Japan since the 90s:

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Interesting notion on how the Anglosphere largely still deludes itself that its cultural output is still 'good', while everyone sort of subconsciously knows that pop culture has generally gone to the weeds across the world.
Interesting, I have noticed in some ways major changes culturally stopped after the late 90s, but I would say things didn't truly start to grind to a halt until the 2008 recession.
 

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I remember in the early 2000's when anime was niche back then and weeb shit was actually affordable and finding an anime fan out in public was amazing cause they were normal people everyday looking people who just enjoyed anime for what it was. It made me so excited as a kid to see people who were grown up and into something I liked.

Now it's just crazy dye haired OMG ACHTUALLY bitches who will give you a dirty look if you shit talk about a series you don't like in the middle of a book store, and drive the price of damn merch up.