Does anyone else genuinely miss the 2000s?

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I think it goes without saying that anyone who were practically children during a particular decade would probably have a rose tinted view of said decade because we wouldn't have been aware of the harsh realities of the world.
I remember the pre-9/11 world. Aside from the 9/11, the recession, and still being the modern world , '00s were still OK in the USA.

Or at least compared to Clown World and Mega Clown World 2020+ they look that way.

Like with the media and the politicians during 2002-2003?
Patriotism was really a thing after 9/11, but by then it wasn't as strong.

FNAF came out 8 years ago, so people who played it when it was new and they were in the target audience are college-aged now.
Already??

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Pokemon X and Y is already being talked about in a nostalgic way too. To me it's this recent game. The 3DS still seems recent.
 
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I think it goes without saying that anyone who were practically children during a particular decade would probably have a rose tinted view of said decade because we wouldn't have been aware of the harsh realities of the world. As someone would was certainly a child of the 2000s, I bared no mind to 9/11, the Iraq War, the Great Recession, or any of that sad stuff. All I cared about was the teeny-bopper stuff that was on Disney Channel, Roblox, YouTube (obviously back when it was good), etc. Perhaps in 10-20 years time, people may actually find something about 2010s/2020s to be nostalgic over, whatever that might be. Most users here might think this era is incredibly sloggy, but again, there are children right now that could have a rose-tinted view about this era in the future, since they won't have to be aware of all the crazy stuff that's happened right now. covid notwithstanding
I think that you're right with the rose tinted views.

The question should really be asked, how does it compare to experience the 2000s as a child or teenager, versus as an adult, and vice versa, to experience the 2010s as a child or teenager, versus as an adult? Of course children, and to some extent teenagers, are shielded from more of the adult matters than otherwise.

On that note: What I would highlight is, though children of the 2010s or teenagers may look fondly upon this decade, I'd compare it as being of less security than the 2000s considerably.

I know that, for the 2000s in comparison to the 90s, we probably have a similar dynamic, but during the 2010s, we had just "recovered" from a financial crisis at the end of the 2000s.

Certainly there are more children and teenagers growing up with less, with less secure households, and theres bound to be numerous social issues that come with that as well. An example would be "what percentage of kids who grew up in the 2010s grew up middle class, versus what percentage of the kids in the 2010s did". You can still have fun and a good life/fond memories outside of being middle class, but having a more stable family economic situation likely does improve the overall experience of a decade imo. I know that, being a teen in the 2000s, theres experiences that I was more able to afford back then, amusement parks, concerts, excursions to beaches, sometimes going to plays and theatres, more shopping, etc that I suspect fewer teens of the 2010s shared in. Certainly buying cheap chinese knockoff stuff online and e-games is the one of the defining consumer cornerstones here, but less pocket money for a family is going to have an impact there, regardless.

As far as society goes, while the 2000s had its own culture wars (who remembers the whole punk rock schlick, that eventually culminated in said generation of teenagers and slactivists doing #Occupy in the early 2010s), the culture war certainly wasn't as divisive or cancerous as during the mid-2010s, especially around Trump.

In a way, if someone idealized the early 2010s as a child or teenager, I can understand that to some degree. The death of the 2000s, in my mind, starts with the 08' financial crisis. The chaotic period of the 2010s and shit turning sour may have honestly started earlier, in 2016, or in 2015 with the Trump election campaign. Half a decade for the "golden time".

I think that being a child during any of these periods had their benefits and take backs, though I do think that the children of the 2010s are missing out on many things that kids of the 2000s had that they never experienced, things that we genuinely miss from the 2000s, as highlighted in this thread. Theres things that kids in the 80s had that we didnt have, and in many ways, there was less to shelter kids from perhaps as well.

2010s kids can be nostalgic about the 2010s because as a kid you are always sheltered from the worst aspects of a decade, but honestly, the other thing Id bring up is that 2010s culture doesn't seem to actually be all that unique unto itself. It seems to be a rehash and recoupment of older cultures, heavily commoditized, and much more consumerist. I can't really think of many significant 2010s subcultures, save online. Everything went online in the 2010s. I think the subcultures of this decade correspond more to tumbleristas, 4chaners, faggy redditor liberals, and instathot e-influencers. In the mid 2010s, when everyone and their mother got surface level political (and in such a legitimately asinine way as well, that I cannot understate) we saw more politics getting into that mold, with "communist breadtuber commentator".

Will 2010s kids be able to look at this period with distinction? Maybe, but it all seems so shallow, even in terms of fashion- because the 2010s is just recycled trends pushed online for upvotes, in many ways.

Even as far as consumer culture goes, I dont necessarily think that there was much that was grand in the 2010s. "Oh boy, remember all those 2010s moe anime that we used to watch? Yeah, those rocked, I love hentai!" may be something unironically espoused in better words in the future I guess.
 
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Yeah, anyone who didn't think the 2000s was a political clownworld just wasn't following politics.

The Daily Show was in it's peak in the 2000s and tapered off during the Obama years when it just became night after night of Jon Stewart yelling about Fox News because that's all his remaining writers cared about- debunking Fox News. The conservative establishment within the white house was gone so Fox became the new establishment

It was a much more milequost show in it's early years. Their election coverage for the year 2000 was something magical, in the sense that it set the tone for what was to come for the next 20 years. They expected to have results in that night.....but they never came in. The election came down to a few hundred votes in Florida and weeks of legal battles culminating in SCOTUS ruling. The role of TDS was to distort reality to comic proportions, but then reality itself became distorted. It was the first sign that the system was broken and democracy wasn't all that democratic, that we could get stuck with a president chosen by an empowered minority of voters. Two members of Bush's legal team were later appointed to the supreme court. It absolutely ravaged the public's faith that election outcomes would reflect the will of the majority. A small team of elites had backdoor'd their way into the white house and then proceeded to siphon trillions into private pockets.

But other than that, if you weren't online or watching cable news every day, you could easily miss all that

There were also culture wars in the 2000s, particularly over gay marriage and the teaching of creationism and abstinence-only education. It's easy to forget how much harder the GOP courted the evangelical vote up until Trump

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FNAF came out 8 years ago, so people who played it when it was new and they were in the target audience are college-aged now. Think about how distant and retro things you liked at age 12 seemed when you were 20.

also, Undertale came out in 2015, so get ready to see people talking about how they grew up with that game
I get that, a personal example for me would be when I replayed Max Payne at age 20 when I had first played it at age 12 and it certainly felt old school in 2010.

But for me personally 2014 still feels absurdly recent for how long ago it is now, to think of anything from 2015 being nostalgic for people is even crazier, the last several years have gone by in a flash, I think it's because so much crazy shit has happened, Trump, Covid, Ukraine, it's made everything just one big blur.

The thing about 9/11 is that it was a national tragedy that impacted the entire nation.....except it wasn't. The media told us it was a huge event that changed everything and created a "post 9/11 world". Except, it didn't. Aside from the stock market going haywire for a few weeks, most Americans wouldn't have even known about it without the news telling them about it (aside from those who lived in the NY metropolitan area). As students we were joking about it as we watched the scene unfold live. And then two weeks later we had to write essays in which we had to lie about how scared we felt that day.
This is what I was saying, people who weren't around or can't remember would be shocked how little the "post 9/11" era really changed most Americans lives, it was business as usual pretty much.

It was completely different than today's hysterias over Trump or Covid where you really did have people have full on meltdowns, the attitude after 9/11 could basically be summed up as "well, that was an awful tragedy, but hopefully we'll just make the bad guys who did it pay soon, hey, you wanna go to the mall?"

Americans were made of stronger stuff back then long before social media, college age people had a snarky, detached cynicism about everything, they didn't have a meltdown if someone used the wrong pronoun or throw temper tantrums exactly like a 5 year old.

Right-wingers were able to obsess over 9/11 simply because it was the one type attack on their nation that didn't require them to do anything, it demanded no sacrifices from the average American besides more flag-waving. It represented a narcissistic injury, America was supposed to be untouchable and the center of every movie. And along came villains that weren't Russian, nobody had heard of them, they were practically invisible.
It definitely shattered America's illusion that we lived in a movie and that bad guys would always be stopped by good guys, there's so many movies in the 90s about people foiling terrorist plots, we learned on 9/11 that no, real life is not a Tom Clancy novel where America always comes out on top.

Although the hate against Bush was pretty comparable to the hate against Trump. Before 9/11 he was mocked for his speech gaffes and generally sounding like a middle-schooler, but he never sought to be abrasive or offensive. 9/11 happens, and all criticism against him flatlined for the next year. Democrats and liberals in congress vote overwhelmingly in favor of No Child Left Behind and both invasions. I did watch a lot of cable news and Fox news at the time, it was always dumb and hysteria-laden.
Bush definitely had a devoted hate following much like Trump, but it wasn't literally 24/7 for people pre-social media.

But as we entered 2003 the democrats see more faultlines and missteps in how the war is being handled (whoops no WMDs), everyone still demanded a president with national security credentials so John Kerry gets the nomination. Michael Moore releases Farenheit 9/11 to theaters, it becomes the highest-grossing documentary in history at the time. It made the case that Bush was both a colossal fuckup, and super-corrupt. And that the PATRIOT act was borderline fascist. Liberals at the time were comparing Bush to Hitler. Keith Olbermann on MSNBC openly called him a fascist. A vote for Bush is a vote for endless war, we're just invading the middle-east to steal their oil, etc etc. And on the other side, republicans were accusing anyone who didn't torture of supporting the terrorists.

....even as a dumb kid trying to feel mature by "following politics", a lot of that sounded like dumb hyperbole. And a lot of it was. But Bush was objectively a far more destructive president than Trump, if only because he was able to actually pass most of his agenda.
Fall of 2004 is definitely when things got kind of intense because Dubya was up for re-election and yeah, Fahrenheit 9/11 was a real zeitgeist capturing thing.

I remember the pre-9/11 world. Aside from the 9/11, the recession, and still being the modern world , '00s were still OK in the USA.
I feel bad for anyone that can't remember the pre-9/11 world, which is an increasingly large number of people now.

You really can't understate how wonderful it was for a while there to be able to believe that humanity was getting it's shit together and the future looked bright.

hey @Dom Cruise (post too long to quote)

Pokemon X and Y is already being talked about in a nostalgic way too. To me it's this recent game. The 3DS still seems recent.
Yup, the 3DS still seems recent to me too, but it's now over a decade old.

There were also culture wars in the 2000s, particularly over gay marriage and the teaching of creationism and abstinence-only education. It's easy to forget how much harder the GOP courted the evangelical vote up until Trump
Before people became bitterly divided over race and gender, America was bitterly divided over Religion, the whole "atheist vs Christian" culture war back then was the closest equivalent to today's "SJWs vs Anti-SJWs" battle, the media would take constant pot shots at Christianity and especially online back then people were absolutely vicious when attacking Christianity.

It's one of the main thing I DON'T miss about the decade, people did thankfully eventually clam down and realize how cringe the whole Fedora tipping thing was.
 

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The other thing with the religious culture wars were, while they were important and there were things like Terri Schiavo, gay marriage, creationism, or the abortion debate- at least cities didn't burn down and because there was no twitter, arguably people wern't being cancelled for things said a decade ago and you didn't necessarily have to be subject to culture war issues unless they directly affected you.

Now, noone is allowed to not care.

You could also say that the more libertarian elements won out over the evangelicals with the oncoming generation, and at this point, most of the evangelical influence in politics is largely gone- so that should have been where that culture war ended.
 

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You’re always going to see the time period when you were a kid as better (assuming you had a decent childhood), but a difference now for kids is that they are so much more exposed to adult issues. You’re not allowed to just have an innocent childhood where all you have to care about is playing with your friends and getting your homework done, you have to be a Citizen Of The World from kindergarten on and are taught explicitly at school about racism, climate change, sexual abuse, world conflicts and whatever else is the issue du jour.

That plus how exposed they (and everyone - imagine how depressed people would have been at any other point in history if they had minute-by-minute access to information about the horrors of the world like we do now) are to adult things online. I don’t just mean porn and violence, but politics and opinions that kids weren’t exposed to in the past because you would have had to read the newspaper.

In the 00s I was a weird kid that was interested in politics as a teenager. The popular kids in my school couldn’t have cared less what was going on in Iraq or whatever. Now the popular kids are the ones who have the most social media followers, and even if it’s just for attention rather than actually caring, that tends to involve posting shitty Instagram graphics about BLM or helping Ukraine so you look like a “good person”.

I feel really bad for kids today because of all this. No wonder so many zoomers are either nihilists or obnoxiously puritanical, they’ve been told it’s their responsibility to save the world since they were children.
 

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Now, noone is allowed to not care.
I don't recall if I said it earlier here or elsewhere, but in the '00s it was harder to see if an American was a leftist or not.

In Current Year, it's getting to the point where it's as if the woke and the so-called "alt-right" are from different countries.

(different language, different clothes, maybe even different food...)
 

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From a non-American perspective, no, not and all and here's why.

9/11 was the nail in the coffin for 90s childhood. In retaliation America went full retard and the middle-eastern wars were a bleak and terrible thing to look at if you weren't an American in a patriotic frenzy. And the destabilisation of Muslim societies also continued to spur on modern Islamic terrorism, so thanks a lot for that from Europe!

Pop culture fucking sucked and I'm not looking forward to the coming big wave of 2000s nostalgia, just like what happened with the 80s and and 90s. It devolved from fun campiness of the previous decades into a general air of tryhard edginess and douchebaggery, spiky hair and baggy pants. In the mid-2000s video games dropped off a cliff with the sixth gen (Wii, PS3, 360). You either had Nintendo's darkest era with braindead waggleshit, or Sony and Microsoft starting their own brand of casualization on top of disgusting "brown and bloom" "muh realism" aesthetics. The focus on photorealistic graphics also killed Western gaming forever due to ever-inflating budgets and the resulting need to market them to the lowest common denominator.

On a completely personal note, I was allowed to exist as a smelly, isolated nerd with no self-awareness or personal growth whatsoever. It's a deeply shameful time to look back on. When I entered the workforce in the 2010s I had to claw myself out of that existence and it was terrible. But even if the 2010s were more stressful in absolute terms I look back on them fondly because they at least made me grow as an adult. Thanks to that groundwork the 2020s have been very good for me so far, covid and clown world and all.
 

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From a non-American perspective, no, not and all and here's why.

9/11 was the nail in the coffin for 90s childhood. In retaliation America went full retard and the middle-eastern wars were a bleak and terrible thing to look at if you weren't an American in a patriotic frenzy. And the destabilisation of Muslim societies also continued to spur on modern Islamic terrorism, so thanks a lot for that from Europe!
War on terror, while its different circumstances today, it really feels quite similar in ways to whats going on with Ukraine right now, with propaganda and people posting the most jingoistic things about war and freedom who otherwise would not give much of a fuck about either.

One thing I would highlight is that that war on terror likely was an inevitability, as much as Europeans or left wingers or isolationists would like to argue otherwise. What wasn't an inevitability would be the piss poor occupations of these middle eastern nations, or the piss poor complete lack of planning anything post war for places like Libya.

9/11 was the nail in the coffin for the 90s childhood, as you say. Its also the first time our generation was really introduced to war and its what really remilitarized the US, post Vietnam. I really do miss the world before it, but I also really do believe that a major terrorist incident was less a question of will it happen, and more a ticking time bomb.
 

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War on terror, while its different circumstances today, it really feels quite similar in ways to whats going on with Ukraine right now, with propaganda and people posting the most jingoistic things about war and freedom who otherwise would not give much of a fuck about either.

One thing I would highlight is that that war on terror likely was an inevitability, as much as Europeans or left wingers or isolationists would like to argue otherwise. What wasn't an inevitability would be the piss poor occupations of these middle eastern nations, or the piss poor complete lack of planning anything post war for places like Libya.

9/11 was the nail in the coffin for the 90s childhood, as you say. Its also the first time our generation was really introduced to war and its what really remilitarized the US, post Vietnam. I really do miss the world before it, but I also really do believe that a major terrorist incident was less a question of will it happen, and more a ticking time bomb.
Oh I agree, it was all bound to happen in the post-Cold War vacuum. It already happened in the early 90s in eastern Europe. Russia turning into a mess and even worse, the Balkan civil wars. All of that was plenty horrible yet seemed more distant even to Europeans (in my seconhand impression; I'm not really qualified to talk as these are literaly baby years).
 

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The truth is, for as much as I get stereotyped as the "2000s guy", there was a certain gumption American culture had in the 80s and 90s that was already gone or starting to fade by the 2000s.

I think back to certain memories from years like 2004 and in some ways you could already feel a milder version of what you feel today.

The 2000s wasn't a particularly great time for movies, music and a lot of other mainstream culture, the coolest stuff in the 2000s was things just outside of the mainstream sphere like nerd culture and video games, that stuff really got fucked in the ass in the 2010s which is what really makes you miss the 2000s, but there was a lot to already be missed about the 80s and 90s in the 2000s, it's just that being the age that I am, I can't remember the 80s at all and all my memories of the 90s feel like a very long time ago, so I'm stuck with what I am remember the clearest of days that were at least better than now.

But 9/11 and the War on Terror really did a lot of damage to this country to say the least, it just took some time for the blow to really be felt in some things.
 

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The truth is, for as much as I get stereotyped as the "2000s guy", there was a certain gumption American culture had in the 80s and 90s that was already gone or starting to fade by the 2000s.
It was already gone by the 90s, replaced with the sheer fucking hubris of the Bush and Clinton eras. The Soviets were in tatters and the Chinese were still obsequious.

And I think it's important but I don't know why: the Baby Boomers were middle age.
 

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The 2000's was a miserable time where America was even more fearful and paranoid than it is today. Culture was at an all time low with garbage music and garbage films, full of tropes that have aged far worse than anything from the decades before or since. I guarantee most 20-30-somethings on this forum just have nostalgia for their childhoods and it sucks that yours was at such a shit time. Zoomer here so I'm sure I'll feel the same way about 2015-16 in a couple years despite how awful everything has continued to be.
 

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The 2000's was a miserable time where America was even more fearful and paranoid than it is today. Culture was at an all time low with garbage music and garbage films, full of tropes that have aged far worse than anything from the decades before or since. I guarantee most 20-30-somethings on this forum just have nostalgia for their childhoods and it sucks that yours was at such a shit time. Zoomer here so I'm sure I'll feel the same way about 2015-16 in a couple years despite how awful everything has continued to be.
I was an adult in the early 2000s, I was almost done high school when 9/11 happened and shifted culture. The early 2000s, was 100% better than now. I was in my late 20s when I remember everything taking a drastic and not so gradual turn somewhere around 2011 or 2012. It's real and it happened. I very clearly remember it happening. It started on forums I used to post on like Something Awful, I remember thinking "What the fuck is happening?" at the time, and then it gradually infiltrated popular culture.

I still think the most powerful in the top 1% injected the early SJW stuff which spiraled out of control into woke culture and cancel culture in response to the occupy movement to turn the plebs against each other. The timing is just too perfect.
 
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I still think the most powerful in the top 1% injected the early SJW stuff which spiraled out of control into woke culture and cancel culture in response to the occupy movement to turn the plebs against each other. The timing is just too perfect.
I don't know if Occupy would've succeeded had wokeism not gone mainstream, but it looks like they didn't want to take any chances.

Wokery is a cult the ruling classes use to control the masses.
 

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I was an adult in the early 2000s, I was almost done high school when 9/11 happened and shifted culture. The early 2000s, was 100% better than now. I was in my late 20s when I remember everything taking a drastic and not so gradual turn somewhere around 2011 or 2012. It's real and it happened. I very clearly remember it happening. It started on forums I used to post on like Something Awful, I remember thinking "What the fuck is happening?" at the time, and then it gradually infiltrated popular culture.

I still think the most powerful in the top 1% injected the early SJW stuff which spiraled out of control into woke culture and cancel culture in response to the occupy movement to turn the plebs against each other. The timing is just too perfect.
Yeah people being edgy, cynical and afraid even more than they are now was exactly the problem in the 2000's.
 

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Yeah people being edgy, cynical and afraid even more than they are now was exactly the problem in the 2000's.
Edgy and cynical yes, afraid no.

Even before the pandemic, people were more afraid of Trump and Nazi dog whistles than they were of terrorist attacks post 2002.

You're saying you're a zoomer, so what you're doing here is like me going to someone who was in their 20s in the 1980s and trying to explain to them how the 80s really was.
 
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